Bulls Rebounding

[tshafeez]

Can someone pull together some stats of what the Bulls rebounding is likely to look like given the players per 48 minute average compared to the amount of minutes they are expected to play?

And then rank where the Bulls total rebounding is compared to the rest of the league?

I know someone here needs to answer this question!

Thanks

[ThisGuyFawkes]

296.

[rUafraid]

296.

Give or take a few.

[kyrv]

I was told there would be no math.

[boogydown]

We're going to dominate the boards.

Deng/Rose/Brewer/Rest of Backcourt can actually stop posting up as much and focus on man defense more this season.

[Silverwulf]

Nope ... can't tell you any of that.


But I CAN tell you that for ...
Centers: Noah was 3rd in Total Rebounds and 2nd in Rebound Rate. (And his numbers were higher before the injured foot)
Power Forwards: Boozer was 4th in Total Rebounds and 2nd in Rebound Rate.
Small Forwards: Deng was 4th in Total Rebounds and 5th in Rebound Rate.

And while we don't know what adding Boozer to Noah and Deng will do to all of their rebounding numbers, I can't think of another team that comes close to being able to put out a front line like that.
The Lakers when they want to go big and use Bynum, Gasol, and Odom maybe.

[Chrome]

You can't put a number on sheer domination, and we will dominate the boards this year.

[musiqsoulchild]

Elite.

If Asik pans out, could very well be all-time best conversation in that regard. Not only are our rebounders good at rebounding but they understand defensive principles ....this will propel them to greater heights.

Literally.

[jcuuofd]

I'd expect Noah and Boozer's rebounding stats to go down slightly this season because previously they were the dominant rebounder on their own teams and now they will be chasing after the same loose balls etc. I don't think its possible for 2 top 5 players at rebounding to continue to play at that high of a level on the same team. There are only so many balls to go after in one game. The team overall will have an increase in rebounding, but I think Noah and Boozer's stats will eat into each others a little bit.

[transplant]

Don't know how to project the rebounding #s and don't much care.

The Bulls figure to be a very good rebounding team...very good. I also expect them to be one of the top defensive teams in terms of shooting % allowed. This is going to make them a real pain in the ass to play. I feel awful for their opponents.

[Silverwulf]

Don't know how to project the rebounding #s and don't much care.

The Bulls figure to be a very good rebounding team...very good. I also expect them to be one of the top defensive teams in terms of shooting % allowed. This is going to make them a real pain in the ass to play. I feel awful for their opponents.

Agreed. Isn't it great to think of us as a pain in these guys butts again finally! I love it.

[Ron Harper]

Rebounding wins games. I think this is our biggest strength. Not just as a team, but as a contending team.

Our ability to generate second chances points will hopefully offset our lack of firepower vs teams like Mia and Orl.

Also, in regards to MIA, I really feel LBJ is going to run their point. Something like LBJ, Wade, Miller, Bosh, Haslem. I digress. Point I'm making is that Miami team is built to get out in the open floor and run. You keep them from running by getting your hand on every rebound you can. You control the flow of the game. Second chance points to maximize our opportunities. Even our ability to get our hands on the ball. Tipped balls on the offensive end alone will stagnate their open floor game a bit.

Also, being able to bang with the likes of BOS and LAL is obviously huge.

We are going to hang our hats on rebounding, and in my opinion it's our biggest X-factor. I think it's going to allow us to keep a lot of big games close late. And from there, hopefully it's Rose time.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Don't know how to project the rebounding #s and don't much care.

The Bulls figure to be a very good rebounding team...very good. I also expect them to be one of the top defensive teams in terms of shooting % allowed. This is going to make them a real pain in the ass to play. I feel awful for their opponents.

If you're right... great defensive shooting % plus elite rebounding equals winning a ton of games. And I think you very well could be right.

[BrooklynBulls]

Alright. These numbers assume that putting good rebounders together does not force their rebound rates to decrease, which is untrue, but hell, it's way too hard to figure out how much the difference would be and then to apply it.

If we were to assume 2010 rebound %'s for all players in the rotation, with this following minute distribution (for the sake of ease, have mercy):

Rose 36 (5.7%)
Watson 12 (5.3%)
Brewer 24 (6.4%)
Bogans 12 (6.6%)
Korver 24 (6.9%)
Deng 36 (10.7%)
Boozer 36 (19.4%)
Noah 36 (20.4%)
Taj 24 (15.4%)

I'm simply not including the deeper bench- their contributions are unprojectable yet will be marginal.
Rebound Rate by Position:
PG: 5.6%
SG: 6.7%
SF: 9.7%
PF: 18.4%
C: 19.2%

Total Projected Rate: 59.6% Total Rebounds Collected.

Last season, the Cavs led the league in rebound differential. They got 52.4% of all available boards.

So again, this can't just be projected since there's so much competition between players of the same team for boards. Clearly, this projection is inaccurate and greatly overestimates us because we took the strongest rebounder in Boozer off of his team. The Jazz had nobody above 15 in the regular rotation, we've got Noah at 20 alongside Boozer. Their rates shall both, necessarily, decline.

But it's pretty easy to see that Boozer and Noah are driving the rebounding wagon by a long, LONG way. It's them, with some Deng. Everyone else is either mediocre or worse at boarding.

[Silverwulf]

Clearly, this projection is inaccurate and greatly overestimates us because we took the strongest rebounder in Boozer off of his team.

Perhaps, but I think you did a great job showing why our expectations should ... and are ... so high.
The numbers really do look good.

[BrooklynBulls]

Well, my amateur projections show us to be the greatest rebounding team of all time, and possibly a top 5 NFL team as well.

I wish it turned out prettier, but it didn't. It'll be interesting to see whose rates decrease the most. Optimistically speaking, Boozer and Noah didn't just grab boards on terrible boarding teams-- Utah and Chicago were the 5th best and 9th best teams in rebounding differential in the league last year. I'm quite unsure of the efficiency of our offense, and perhaps the defensive abilities and willingness of Boozer and Rose, but if there's one leap of faith I'm willing to make, it's that we'll be top 5 in rebounding differential.

[Silverwulf]

Rebounding differential should be a good measure for us.

I guess we could hope that our rebounds go down ... due in large part to a much more effective offense.
I'll gladly take less total rebounds if it means we're shooting at a much better percentage.

[jcuuofd]

Rebounding differential should be a good measure for us.

I guess we could hope that our rebounds go down ... due in large part to a much more effective offense.
I'll gladly take less total rebounds if it means we're shooting at a much better percentage.

I'm expecting rebounding to carry the Bulls for the first half of the season and in the second half of the season for scoring efficiency to increase. With 2 new starters and a very different bench it will probably take the team a little bit of trial and error to figure out each others style of play before things start running smoothly on offense. However with that being said, the offense can't be any worse than it was last year. Most losses last year were by 5 points or less. With the extra rebounding and improved defense (both of which don't require as much team chemistry as offense) most of the close losses from last year should be close wins this year even if the offense is not where it should be. Even the bench has solid rebounders - Taj, KT, and Asik.

The Bulls probably will have much better offensive efficiency by the second half of the season than last years team (if not sooner). I think the problems with spacing are exaggerated and sound like nit picking. The Bulls added the best 3 point shooter in the league, Korver. Boozer also has a decent perimeter shot and does not always need to crowd around the basket. Boozer will also be able to draw double teams which will open up lanes for other players cutting to the basket. Both Deng and Rose are expected to have improved 3 point shooting. Even the bench will have decent 3 point shooting from Watson and Bogans. Even if Brewer won't be taking 3 point shots he is a huge upgrade over Hinrich. Hinrich was basically useless. He couldn't make perimeter shots with any consistency, he couldn't run the fast break, and he definitely could not cut to the basket the way Brewer can. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bulls started blowing out a lot of teams during the second half of the season.

[tshafeez]

If we were to assume 2010 rebound %'s for all players in the rotation, with this following minute distribution (for the sake of ease, have mercy):

Rose 36 (5.7%)
Watson 12 (5.3%)
Brewer 24 (6.4%)
Bogans 12 (6.6%)
Korver 24 (6.9%)
Deng 36 (10.7%)
Boozer 36 (19.4%)
Noah 36 (20.4%)
Taj 24 (15.4%)

I'm simply not including the deeper bench- their contributions are unprojectable yet will be marginal.
Rebound Rate by Position:
PG: 5.6%
SG: 6.7%
SF: 9.7%
PF: 18.4%
C: 19.2%

Total Projected Rate: 59.6% Total Rebounds Collected.

Last season, the Cavs led the league in rebound differential. They got 52.4% of all available boards.

So again, this can't just be projected since there's so much competition between players of the same team for boards. Clearly, this projection is inaccurate and greatly overestimates us because we took the strongest rebounder in Boozer off of his team. The Jazz had nobody above 15 in the regular rotation, we've got Noah at 20 alongside Boozer. Their rates shall both, necessarily, decline.

But it's pretty easy to see that Boozer and Noah are driving the rebounding wagon by a long, LONG way. It's them, with some Deng. Everyone else is either mediocre or worse at boarding.

I knew someone couldn't resist. I think this was an awesome breakdown. I think it is obvious that Boozer and Noah will be taking some boards from each other.

This reminds me of when I used to track Rodman's rebounding during the second championship run. That and how many games he played with what color hair for those of you who remember that chart in the Sun Times.

[Scorpion King]

Bulls should be top 5 in rebounding next year

Noah - Excellent rebounder
Boozer - Excellent rebounder
Deng - good rebounder
Rose - ok rebounder
SG - Brewer/Korver/Bogans - ok at rebounding.