Could Brittney Griner play in the NBA?

[TheAnkh]

I don't think you understand just how ridiculous NBA players are at basketball, or how much physically disadvantaged women are. For example, the world's fastest 100m time from a woman is 10.49. 10.49 is about what a good male high school sprinter would get.

I mean, Brittney Griner is a professional basketball player. How much more training would she be doing? You're talking about someone that is 11 inches taller than Nate Robinson, yet weighs 5 lbs less. She has no perceptible basketball skills that would translate to playing with bigger, stronger, faster, more talented players.

I do realize, and I am also well aware of men's genetic edge when it comes to physical tasks. But basketball is not a competition for the fastest runner or one with the greatest bench press. There are examples of NBA players in the league who are not any better athletes than this girl who are successful and even more incredibly gifted physical specimens who are not elite. If athletic ability alone was enough, Desmond Mason would have been the best player in the league for a lot of years. So unless you are arguing that women cannot shoot, dribble, and pass the basketball as well because of their physical disadvantage, it is not enough to refute my point. Someone like Steve Nash is not any more athletic than this girl and even in his 30s he is a top 5 PG in the league. Also keep in mind that women/girls don't even train nearly as much or as hard as men/boys do. Girls AAU have about half the amount of events as Boys and are demanded much less hours every week.

Again, could she be a star? No. Could she play? Absolutely.

[OhNoTheyDidnt]

Let's be real here for a second, LeBron is the same height as Griner and Durant has about 2-3 inches on her. Does she have anywhere close to the skills those do? Are you kidding me? Anyone that actually believes she could make the league is a fool. Her vert is probably 25" which would rank near the bottom of the NBA. Given she is the size of small forwards and undersized power forwards there is literally 0 chance.

[Don Draper]

lol

[corona]

WNBA SG, F, and C can't play in the NBA. The best WNBA PG's may make borderline 3rd string PG's.

nope.

have you watched the celebrity all-star game? justin timberlake, sue bird & becky hammond all appear to be on the same level.

watch an entire wnba game once. its like 2.5 hours of consecutive facepalms.

[azuresou1]

I don't think you understand just how ridiculous NBA players are at basketball, or how much physically disadvantaged women are. For example, the world's fastest 100m time from a woman is 10.49. 10.49 is about what a good male high school sprinter would get.

I mean, Brittney Griner is a professional basketball player. How much more training would she be doing? You're talking about someone that is 11 inches taller than Nate Robinson, yet weighs 5 lbs less. She has no perceptible basketball skills that would translate to playing with bigger, stronger, faster, more talented players.

I do realize, and I am also well aware of men's genetic edge when it comes to physical tasks. But basketball is not a competition for the fastest runner or one with the greatest bench press. There are examples of NBA players in the league who are not any better athletes than this girl who are successful and even more incredibly gifted physical specimens who are not elite. If athletic ability alone was enough, Desmond Mason would have been the best player in the league for a lot of years. So unless you are arguing that women cannot shoot, dribble, and pass the basketball as well because of their physical disadvantage, it is not enough to refute my point. Someone like Steve Nash is not any more athletic than this girl and even in his 30s he is a top 5 PG in the league. Also keep in mind that women/girls don't even train nearly as much or as hard as men/boys do. Girls AAU have about half the amount of events as Boys and are demanded much less hours every week.

Again, could she be a star? No. Could she play? Absolutely.

Sure, Brittney Griner is more athletic than Steve Nash. Steve Nash also has elite handles, passing, shooting, vision, and overall basketball IQ that she doesn't even come remotely close to matching.

You realize that she dominates her competition simply by being 6'8 and with pretty good athleticism, right? What's she going to do when her competition is taller while being far stronger, faster, AND more skilled? I mean, I love to rag of Dwight's (lack of) skills, but Dwight at least has a dropstep and okay touch within 2 feet of the basket.

[Percules]

Listen, if I can play in the NBA, why couldn't she?

[Don Draper]

watch an entire wnba game once. its like 2.5 hours of consecutive facepalms.

[ocker]

I think Lauren Jackson could make the NBA. Shes big and she can shoot. 91 percent free throws.

Honestly, I think the gap between the bigger WNBA players and the bigger NBA players is waayyyyyyyy bigger than the gap between the guards in each respective league. I think a Becky Hammon or Taurasi would have a better shot than Lauren Jackson.

I was thinking just putting her as SG. She would get dominated on Defense, but i reckon should could run around and get some shots up.

[Johnny Firpo]

Some people need to understand how much of a difference there is between a male, and a female athlete. It's not only about phisyque, and muscles. We have much better eye-hand coordination as well. An example. I've read a great tennis story from a guy, who's a great poster on another sport forum. There was a tennis exhibition game maybe 10 years ago, when an out of shape male ex-tennis player (sadly don't remember who) played an exho with one of the Williams' sister, or maybe both. The guy won something like 6-1, 6-0, smoking cigarettes (!) during breaks.

An above average junior player would be easily, i mean easily world Nr1. in the WTA. Lindsey Davenport talked about how she struggled to win points (!) against his ex-tennis player husband, who's in his 40's, or maybe even 50's. The amount of spin a male player can generate, simply too much for women. That's just an example. You can't say any sport (and i mean any sport) where women are better. Not even chess, bridge, poker, anything, that you can consider a sport, really. We would be better at synchronised swimming if it weren't gay. Any arguing about the subject is ridiculous. We are better at every sport. Every one of them. Of course she couldn't play in the NBA.

[J~Rush]

Not even chess, bridge, poker, anything, that you can consider a sport, really.

This is utterly ridiculous.

[TheAnkh]

I don't think you understand just how ridiculous NBA players are at basketball, or how much physically disadvantaged women are. For example, the world's fastest 100m time from a woman is 10.49. 10.49 is about what a good male high school sprinter would get.

I mean, Brittney Griner is a professional basketball player. How much more training would she be doing? You're talking about someone that is 11 inches taller than Nate Robinson, yet weighs 5 lbs less. She has no perceptible basketball skills that would translate to playing with bigger, stronger, faster, more talented players.

I do realize, and I am also well aware of men's genetic edge when it comes to physical tasks. But basketball is not a competition for the fastest runner or one with the greatest bench press. There are examples of NBA players in the league who are not any better athletes than this girl who are successful and even more incredibly gifted physical specimens who are not elite. If athletic ability alone was enough, Desmond Mason would have been the best player in the league for a lot of years. So unless you are arguing that women cannot shoot, dribble, and pass the basketball as well because of their physical disadvantage, it is not enough to refute my point. Someone like Steve Nash is not any more athletic than this girl and even in his 30s he is a top 5 PG in the league. Also keep in mind that women/girls don't even train nearly as much or as hard as men/boys do. Girls AAU have about half the amount of events as Boys and are demanded much less hours every week.

Again, could she be a star? No. Could she play? Absolutely.

Sure, Brittney Griner is more athletic than Steve Nash. Steve Nash also has elite handles, passing, shooting, vision, and overall basketball IQ that she doesn't even come remotely close to matching.

You realize that she dominates her competition simply by being 6'8 and with pretty good athleticism, right? What's she going to do when her competition is taller while being far stronger, faster, AND more skilled? I mean, I love to rag of Dwight's (lack of) skills, but Dwight at least has a dropstep and okay touch within 2 feet of the basket.

I'm pretty sure I stressed that training would be necessary from the very first post you quoted me on. I'm not sure what part of this is making me repeat myself to you. Is it just that we disagree and you are trying to get me overturn my opinion or are you saying because men have a physical advantage, training would not help her or women in general be as athletic or skilled as say a Steve Nash?

[Johnny Firpo]

Not even chess, bridge, poker, anything, that you can consider a sport, really.

This is utterly ridiculous.

Why? The best chess players in the world are men, as well the bridge players. Obviously, poker as well. The best woman chess player in the world is Judit Polgar, she's actually from my country. It's well known that she's the GOAT, everybody considers her the greatest woman chess player ever. We love her, and she's playing amongst men for about, i don't know, more than a decade i think. Needless to say, even though she has great results, she has no chance against the absolute elite.

[J~Rush]

Not even chess, bridge, poker, anything, that you can consider a sport, really.

This is utterly ridiculous.

Why? The best chess players in the world are men, as well the bridge players. Obviously, poker as well. The best woman chess player in the world is Judit Polgar, she's actually from my country. We love her, and she's playing amongst men for about, i don't know, more than a decade i think. Needless to say, even though she has great results, she has no chance against the absolute elite.

Have you seen chess clubs around the world? They're like 95% men.

[Johnny Firpo]

Have you seen chess clubs around the world? They're like 95% men.

Yeah, i know... Not sure i understand you, sorry. So do you agree there isn't a sport where a woman can actually be better than a man? Cause i think there isn't. Why did you think my statement was ridiculous?

[Neutral 123]

I don't think you understand just how ridiculous NBA players are at basketball, or how much physically disadvantaged women are. For example, the world's fastest 100m time from a woman is 10.49. 10.49 is about what a good male high school sprinter would get.

I mean, Brittney Griner is a professional basketball player. How much more training would she be doing? You're talking about someone that is 11 inches taller than Nate Robinson, yet weighs 5 lbs less. She has no perceptible basketball skills that would translate to playing with bigger, stronger, faster, more talented players.

I do realize, and I am also well aware of men's genetic edge when it comes to physical tasks. But basketball is not a competition for the fastest runner or one with the greatest bench press. There are examples of NBA players in the league who are not any better athletes than this girl who are successful and even more incredibly gifted physical specimens who are not elite. If athletic ability alone was enough, Desmond Mason would have been the best player in the league for a lot of years. So unless you are arguing that women cannot shoot, dribble, and pass the basketball as well because of their physical disadvantage, it is not enough to refute my point. Someone like Steve Nash is not any more athletic than this girl and even in his 30s he is a top 5 PG in the league. Also keep in mind that women/girls don't even train nearly as much or as hard as men/boys do. Girls AAU have about half the amount of events as Boys and are demanded much less hours every week.

Again, could she be a star? No. Could she play? Absolutely.

Steve Nash isn't more athletic than her? You're joking right?

[azuresou1]

I'm pretty sure I stressed that training would be necessary from the very first post you quoted me on. I'm not sure what part of this is making me repeat myself to you. Is it just that we disagree and you are trying to get me overturn my opinion or are you saying because men have a physical advantage, training would not help her or women in general be as athletic or skilled as say a Steve Nash?

What, and you don't think Brittney Griner goes through training now? Or Candace Parker doesn't train? Sure, women can train, and train hard. The most intense training for a women will still make her at best equivalent with a trained high school male.

Let me repeat, the world's fastest woman ever, who was under constant suspicion of steroid use, put up a 100m time that is now regularly demolished by high school male sprinters. From an athleticism standpoint, they can't compete. This extends to hand-eye coordination and body control.

Basically, training will obviously make a woman a much better basketball player than if she doesn't train. It still doesn't put her on the level of really good male high school players though.

[DrunkOnMystery]

Someone like Steve Nash is not any more athletic than this girl and even in his 30s he is a top 5 PG in the league.

Steve Nash is a noticeably better athlete than she is. What Steve Nash IS is a point guard who makes up for the fact that he isn't an elite athlete in comparison to the most elite athletes on the planet with his stellar skill development.

That you don't understand that Nash is a greater physical specimen in terms of athleticism than anyone in the WNBA proves that you're undervaluing just how big a genetic gap there is on this issue.

[BubbaTee]

Absolutely. But seeing as how this is a male dominated forum with heightened insecurity levels, the resounding response will be no and stuff like she couldn't even beat male elementary schoolers, etc.

1996: The US Women's Basketball team trained by scrimmaging against guys at the local YMCA. They won about half the time, lost about half the time. That team had some of the greatest women's players ever - Lisa Leslie, Dawn Staley, Sheryl Swoopes, Teresa Edwards, etc. Later that year, they won the gold medal at the Atlanta Olympics in dominant fashion. Their closest game was a 15 point win over Japan, and their average margin of victory was 28 points.

You're basically saying that "random YMCA guy" could absolutely play in the NBA.


Also -
When Ann Meyers (now Ann Meyers-Drysdale) tried out for the Pacers, the coach told her she needed about 6" and 40-lbs more to have a viable shot of making an NBA roster. So Griner, at her size, would need skills comparable to Ann Meyers - the best women's guard to ever play, and arguably the overall women's GOAT - to even have a chance at a roster.

[J~Rush]

Absolutely. But seeing as how this is a male dominated forum with heightened insecurity levels, the resounding response will be no and stuff like she couldn't even beat male elementary schoolers, etc.

1996: The US Women's Basketball team trained by scrimmaging against guys at the local YMCA. They won about half the time, lost about half the time. That team had some of the greatest women's players ever - Lisa Leslie, Dawn Staley, Sheryl Swoopes, Teresa Edwards, etc. Later that year, they won the gold medal at the Atlanta Olympics in dominant fashion. Their closest game was a 15 point win over Japan, and their average margin of victory was 28 points.

You're basically saying that "random YMCA guy" could absolutely play in the NBA.


Also -
When Ann Meyers (now Ann Meyers-Drysdale) tried out for the Pacers, the coach told her she needed about 6" and 40-lbs more to have a viable shot of making an NBA roster. So Griner, at her size, would need skills comparable to Ann Meyers - the best women's guard to ever play, and arguably the overall women's GOAT - to even have a chance at a roster.

Sarcasm doesn't travel well over the internet eh?

[panthermark]

NO
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