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Re: Lions Post Game/Ramblings of a Lunatic 

Post#181 » by LUKE23 » Tue Oct 5, 2010 3:03 pm

I just don't get how much depth people expected to have.

We lose Jolly to suspension, draft Neal, who looks like a damn good prospect. Neal goes down, Harrell goes down for season. Had we not taken Neal, we'd be FUBAR at DL right now.

We lose Harris to ACL last year. #2 CB down. We are trying to develop two young corners for the #3 spot, and also pick up a UDFA with potential. We already had three starting caliber corners with Tramon. I get that some wanted to draft a corner here, but all the solid corners started getting taken higher than they should have last 1st/early 2nd. We took Neal instead, who we badly needed.

Safety: we trade up for Burnett, and are going into training camp with Collins/Bigby/Burnett. One pro bowler and solid depth. Bigby gets hurt in a conditioning test so badly he goes on PUP. Burnett tears his ACL. People wanted four quality starting safeties heading into camp? What the hell team has that?

OLB, I would have liked to draft one high too. The problems there were:

1. We needed the depth we selected in rounds 1-3 (LT, DE, S) BADLY due to other issues.
2. Hughes, the guy most wanted if we were going to go OLB over Bulaga, hasn't looked good.
3. The OLB class as a whole hasn't looked good.
4. The FA OLB class left not much.

This wasn't a good year to add to that spot. I believe we will this offseason, but for now, we're left with what we have. Going into this season, had Burnett not gotten injured, it's conceivable that ALL THREE of our first three picks were starting in the second half of the season.
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Post#182 » by midranger » Tue Oct 5, 2010 5:33 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I don't know how TT failed in terms of secondary depth, that is ridiculous to me.


And yet, on Aug. 5th....

LUKE23 wrote:Bigby is a clown for not having himself healthy after this long of a layoff. Well, Burnett better be ready and we better not having any injuries at safety.

I think Burnett was going to be a better player than Bigby this year anyway (especially in coverage where Bigby sucked, which is more important in today's NFL than hard hitting out of a safety), but if either of those two go down, then I think there is a MAJOR dropoff to Blackmon and Martin.



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Re: Lions Post Game/Ramblings of a Lunatic 

Post#183 » by midranger » Tue Oct 5, 2010 5:35 pm

Newz wrote:I also think that the 'secondary depth' rants are hilarious.


And yet on Aug 5th...

Newz wrote:This is terrible news.

If Burnett doesn't pan out or one of him/Collins (who has been injury prone in the past) gets hurt then we are VERY weak at safety.



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Post#184 » by LUKE23 » Tue Oct 5, 2010 5:46 pm

Bigby is a clown for not having himself healthy after this long of a layoff. Well, Burnett better be ready and we better not having any injuries at safety.

I think Burnett was going to be a better player than Bigby this year anyway (especially in coverage where Bigby sucked, which is more important in today's NFL than hard hitting out of a safety), but if either of those two go down, then I think there is a MAJOR dropoff to Blackmon and Martin.


Where am I upset at TT in that blurb? I'm upset at Bigby for not having himself ready to play. You do realize that Bigby's injury happened after the draft and very, very late into FA right? What player would you have added at that point? Exactly.

You're basically saying TT is to blame for not having four starting safeties and being able to withstand TWO INJURIES to starters heading into training camp. Name me one team that has four starting safeties.
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Re: Lions Post Game/Ramblings of a Lunatic 

Post#185 » by Newz » Tue Oct 5, 2010 6:28 pm

midranger wrote:
Newz wrote:I also think that the 'secondary depth' rants are hilarious.


And yet on Aug 5th...

Newz wrote:This is terrible news.

If Burnett doesn't pan out or one of him/Collins (who has been injury prone in the past) gets hurt then we are VERY weak at safety.



Hmm......


Yes, after our starting safety got hurt I said if another safety went down we would be very weak.

I'm not saying that we weren't deep enough at safety or in the secondary heading into the year. :o
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Post#186 » by midranger » Tue Oct 5, 2010 6:33 pm

He had a month before the hitting started (just like he's now had a month to find a RB better than John Kuhn). I don't get paid to answer who he should have got, he does. He knew that he only had 2 safties deserving of any time on the field going into the season, and that one of them was an unproven rookie (who thankfully played fairly well before getting hurt) and the other was a known injury risk. He knew that their only backup was a converted CB that he pulled off the street last year and performed so poorly that they needed to drop a LB to masquerade as a S.

What's more is, both you and Newz knew it too.
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Re: Lions Post Game/Ramblings of a Lunatic 

Post#187 » by Ayt » Tue Oct 5, 2010 6:34 pm

There is no excuse for not having 3 starting caliber SS on our roster.
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Post#188 » by Newz » Tue Oct 5, 2010 6:37 pm

Ayt wrote:There is no excuse for not having 3 starting caliber SS on our roster.


Agreed. Probably should have traded for Polamalu and Ed Reed.
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Post#189 » by midranger » Tue Oct 5, 2010 6:37 pm

Ayt wrote:There is no excuse for not having 3 starting caliber SS on our roster.

I can tell you how many we'll have on the field next week.
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Post#190 » by chuckleslove » Tue Oct 5, 2010 6:38 pm

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Ayt wrote:There is no excuse for not having 3 starting caliber SS on our roster.


Agreed. Probably should have traded for Polamalu and Ed Reed.



I think it should have included more teams so that we also got back Brady in case Rodgers goes down, also Joe Thomas and Antonio Gates. We are going to build a super team like the Miami Heat.
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Post#191 » by Newz » Tue Oct 5, 2010 6:40 pm

midranger wrote:He had a month before the hitting started (just like he's now had a month to find a RB better than John Kuhn). I don't get paid to answer who he should have got, he does. He knew that he only had 2 safties deserving of any time on the field going into the season, and that one of them was an unproven rookie (who thankfully played fairly well before getting hurt) and the other was a known injury risk. He knew that their only backup was a converted CB that he pulled off the street last year and performed so poorly that they needed to drop a LB to masquerade as a S.

What's more is, both you and Newz knew it too.


You know that Bigby will eventually be back and will be able to play against this season, right? It's not like he is just gone forever... He will be back and likely be starting within a few weeks.

The guys on here who expect us to have depth and quality depth at every single position are just totally clueless. What team out there has four safeties on their roster worthy of being on the field? What teams have a corner trio as good as Woodson/Williams/Shields (And potentially Harris if he comes back healthy)? What teams running a 3-4 have 6 starting quality defensive linemen?

I'm glad you don't get paid to do what TT does. Apparently you have absolutely no clue how the NFL works.
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Re: Lions Post Game/Ramblings of a Lunatic 

Post#192 » by Ayt » Tue Oct 5, 2010 6:41 pm

midranger wrote:
Ayt wrote:There is no excuse for not having 3 starting caliber SS on our roster.

I can tell you how many we'll have on the field next week.


Are you sure the safeties we do have are as worthless as you are making them out to be?

Martin has been surprisingly solid after looking terrible when thrown into it last year.
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Post#193 » by Newz » Tue Oct 5, 2010 6:46 pm

Polomalu went down last year and the Steelers suffered for it because they had no real replacement. Steeler's GM = Trash.

Bob Sanders goes down and Indy's secondary and defense in general suffers. Indy's GM is also terrible.

New England? Well their defense has looked about as bad as a defense can look so far for a team contending for a Super Bowl. Their GM = Awful.

I know Midranger "doesn't get paid" to know these things. But if you are going to try to talk about football... At least be able to give an example of a team that has four starting quality safeties on the roster. Or a team with a better corner trio than Woodson/Williams/Shields.

All teams in the NFL have holes. Teams will start to be exposed if injuries hit them... No team is immune to taking a big hit if 3 or 4 starters go down on one side of the ball.
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Post#194 » by chuckleslove » Tue Oct 5, 2010 6:51 pm

I think the only thing that comes close to our trio of corners is the Jets with Revis, Cromartie and Wilson but I'd probably still take our three over them. I can't think of anyone else with a trio I'd take over Woodson/Williams/Shields with the possible addition of Harris.
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Post#195 » by Jollay » Tue Oct 5, 2010 6:53 pm

I don't blame Ted for safety, although much as I'd like to, I can't really equate Indy and Pitt suffering Troy and Bob to the loss of Atari Bigby, although from talk on here in 2008, you would think it was the same...

You can put A LITTLE bit on him for relying on players that are clearly injury prone. But, eh, not much.

Where you can blame him is not signing anyone at any position in the offseason. And the offseason before. A starter. A key reserve. Anyone of consequence at all. Even if that person was a total bust, I wouldn't blame TT for trying.

The NFC has two entire divisions right now plunged into mediocrity. We should be going for it.
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Post#196 » by Newz » Tue Oct 5, 2010 6:55 pm

chuckleslove wrote:I think the only thing that comes close to our trio of corners is the Jets with Revis, Cromartie and Wilson but I'd probably still take our three over them. I can't think of anyone else with a trio I'd take over Woodson/Williams/Shields with the possible addition of Harris.


I actually think I'd rather have the Jets trio rather than the four guys that we have (if Harris comes back strong). But that's because I think very highly of Revis when he is healthy.

So oh no... We have only the second best corner trio in the NFL! WHERE IS THE DEPTH?!?!?1/1/1?
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Re: Lions Post Game/Ramblings of a Lunatic 

Post#197 » by LUKE23 » Tue Oct 5, 2010 7:09 pm

He had a month before the hitting started (just like he's now had a month to find a RB better than John Kuhn). I don't get paid to answer who he should have got, he does. He knew that he only had 2 safties deserving of any time on the field going into the season, and that one of them was an unproven rookie (who thankfully played fairly well before getting hurt) and the other was a known injury risk. He knew that their only backup was a converted CB that he pulled off the street last year and performed so poorly that they needed to drop a LB to masquerade as a S.

What's more is, both you and Newz knew it too.


Yet you can't name one team that went into training camp with four starting caliber S. As usual, you're being asinine in your expectations. You want us to be two deep at every single starting position, so 44 starting caliber players? No team has that.

The reality is that as this roster is built HEALTHY, it's arguably the deepest roster in the NFL. We would have been looking at a defensive line that has a BENCH of Jolly, Neal, and Harrell, giving one of the best bench DL trios in the league, three starting caliber safeties, the best nickel back arguably in the NFL in Tramon, and four deep at starting caliber ILB. The ONLY position people can argue that was ignored in terms of starters is OLB, and that is a position that just didn't fit talent vs. value in the draft. That's it. The reality is that injuries have ravaged the hell out of this defense.

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