Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[nate33]

I'm not really seeing Iggy as a fit here with our schemes/personnel and with a catch and shoot guy working a lot better. I'd expect that we'd hear something about "there aren't any hockey assists to be found in this offense" before long.

I think we'd win more games with a role player like Jared Dudley (though I wouldn't suggest we sign him either if our 2012 cap situation is as open as I expect). It's a 'less is more' situation.

Agreed.

I'd rather pay $5M for a guy like Wilson Chandler, or $7M for Tayshaun Prince, than pay Iggy $14M. Those guys defend nearly as well and shoot better from 3-point range. Iggy is a better ball handler and can create and pass off the dribble, but we just don't need that in our system.

[Ruzious]

I'm not really seeing Iggy as a fit here with our schemes/personnel and with a catch and shoot guy working a lot better. I'd expect that we'd hear something about "there aren't any hockey assists to be found in this offense" before long.

I think we'd win more games with a role player like Jared Dudley (though I wouldn't suggest we sign him either if our 2012 cap situation is as open as I expect). It's a 'less is more' situation.

Yup, Iggy's gotta have the ball to be effective. He's even less a catch and shoot guy than Caron Butler was. I'd actually rather have Cartier Martin on this Wiz team than Iggy.

[tsvqt]

I would love to see us send Nick Young back to Cali (Sacremento), and bring Donte Greene back East.
The Kings are trying to make a SG out of a SF, and the Wizards are trying to make a SF out of a SG. Why not just swap, and both teams could benefit?

[RickRoll_inDC]

I would love to see us send Nick Young back to Cali (Sacremento), and bring Donte Greene back East.
The Kings are trying to make a SG out of a SF, and the Wizards are trying to make a SF out of a SG. Why not just swap, and both teams could benefit?

I actually really like that. I don't know a ton about Greene with his NBA career, but I remember watching him at Syracuse as a freshmen. It was some pretty exciting stuff. Good athlete, really long, and has range out to the 3 point line. The trade works for me.

[no D in Hibachi]

I'll get brutalized for this, but reading how Greg Oden's knee is way behind recovery schedule http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index ... s_min.html, now's the time to steal him. Portland's gotta be frustrated, so take advantage. Buy low, sell high. He'll be an RFA after this season.

It depends on the asking price.

I'd trade a first rounder for him.
I would not trade Blatche for him.
I'd think long and hard about a McGee trade.

How sick would we be if we had a healthy Greg Oden in place of McGee, and also added a defensive small forward (say, Tayshaun Prince or Wilson Chandler) in the offseason? Next year, we'd roll with:

PG Wall
SG Arenas
SF Prince
PF Blatche
C Oden
Bench: Hinrich, Young, Booker, Yi, Seraphin, 2011 1st.

Unless the Wiz brass are unimaginably high on McGee I think you have to take a long hard look at a McGee for Oden swap. A healthy Oden makes almost any team he's on a championship contender. He's taller, longer, and stronger than Howard. Howard, on defense alone, is able to make a team of bums into a championship contender. Imagine what a healthy Oden can do to a team with Blatche, Wall, and Arenas?? Obviously its a huge gamble, but which is the more likely event: 1) McGee being the center on a championship team or 2) Oden staying healthy enough to lead a team to a championship?

Regarding Iggy, I don't do it. $14m is a lot for a guy who doesn't fill a specific need for the team. He's best as a playmaker, but the Wiz have three players who are better play makers. Iggy needs the ball to be effective, but the Wiz already have three guys who need the ball to be effective.

[RickRoll_inDC]

Unless the Wiz brass are unimaginably high on McGee I think you have to take a long hard look at a McGee for Oden swap. A healthy Oden makes almost any team he's on a championship contender. He's taller, longer, and stronger than Howard. Howard, on defense alone, is able to make a team of bums into a championship contender. Imagine what a healthy Oden can do to a team with Blatche, Wall, and Arenas?? Obviously its a huge gamble, but which is the more likely event: 1) McGee being the center on a championship team or 2) Oden staying healthy enough to lead a team to a championship?

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Thats a really good question. It's not that what we've all seen from Oden is a little big lackluster, but it's more of what we haven't seen. No one knows really what he's capable of in the NBA just yet. This may be somewhat unrelated, but I'm also an Indianapolis Colts fan. (don't worry, I don't live in the DC area) Bob Sanders keeps on getting hurt every year, but the one year when the Colts had him for their playoff run, they won the Super Bowl. Is it worth the trade just to hope that Oden is healthy for the playoffs? Like the Colts without Bob Sanders, I think the Zards could make the playoffs without him, but once the playoffs start, there's such a slight chance that they win it without someone like Oden.

I don't think that I would be willing to make this gamble just yet, but I really think that this could possibly be McGee's breakout year. I'm expecting a lot from him and I believe that he has the ability to become that championship caliber center. From summer league and the midnight scrimmage, he and J-dub (Wall- trying to work a new nick name?) really worked well together. Obviously he's capable offensively to be productive, but before I think about trading him for a guy who's had 3 knee surgeries, I'm going to have to see if he can play a little bit of defense in his 2nd year in Flip's system.

[20MexicanosIn1Van]

A simple trade: Jason Thompson for Nick Young.

We're crowded in the backcourt and thin in the frontcourt, the Kings have the exact opposite problem. I'd throw in a 2nd rounder or Hamady if needed to get this done.

[nate33]

I don't think our backcourt is crowded. Nick Young is our only pure SG with legit SG size.

It doesn't matter anyhow. Sacramento wouldn't do it. Thompson is better than Young and you don't trade big for small unless you get an upgrade in talent.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Sacto has Cousins, Whitesides, and Dalembert on their roster. Carl Landry is also mostly a PF. They might be willing to part with Thompson, but I think it will take more than Nick Young.

I was toyiing around with trade checker, and found a trade idea with the Kings that might involve Gil for Daly, Garcia, and multiple picks. Trade can be tweaked to return Landry to the Wizards, or to involve Young going and Greene coming to Wiz.

I don't want a deal like that, but was just looking ....

[Kingsforlife]

i like Kirk Hinrich alot in nba2k10 lol, though he is older i still want him

[Dat2U]

Sacto has Cousins, Whitesides, and Dalembert on their roster. Carl Landry is also mostly a PF. They might be willing to part with Thompson, but I think it will take more than Nick Young.

I was toyiing around with trade checker, and found a trade idea with the Kings that might involve Gil for Daly, Garcia, and multiple picks. Trade can be tweaked to return Landry to the Wizards, or to involve Young going and Greene coming to Wiz.

I don't want a deal like that, but was just looking ....

I was pimping a Hinrich/Daly swap for a while over the summer. I'd still like to see that. I think that makes the playoffs a truly realistic possibility.

I never thought much of Garcia. Can't stay healthy. Doesn't do anything particularly well. Slow for an SG. Overpaid. I'd definitely pass on him.

[LyricalRico]

I don't see the Kings giving up Daly, especially if it means taking back a longer deal. He's their only center that's not a rookie, so I think they want him as a veteran presence in the middle for this season. Whiteside probably won't see the floor this season, so I don't see them parting with Thompson either since he'll be part of their rotation.

Re: Young for Donte Greene - that would have made lots of sense before the Booker pick and the Howard signing. But now I think we have more of a need for depth at SG than SF, especially considering that we haven't brought any other PGs to camp (meaning that Hinrich will probably be playing lots of his minutes at PG and thus Young would end up being Gil's primary backup).

[mhd]

I think an earlier trade idea of Thorton for Powe+Moon would be a deal both teams do. Cavs get the higer upside player while the Wiz get some needed beef and a defensive role playing wing.

[verbal8]

I think an earlier trade idea of Thorton for Powe+Moon would be a deal both teams do. Cavs get the higer upside player while the Wiz get some needed beef and a defensive role playing wing.

It looks like the Wizards really need a solid SF. I think the Wizards will play a lot of 3 guard line-ups and Yi at SF. I think Young, Thornton and Yi would all be available for a team willing to give up a SF on an expiring contract.

[Wizardspride]

I think an earlier trade idea of Thorton for Powe+Moon would be a deal both teams do. Cavs get the higer upside player while the Wiz get some needed beef and a defensive role playing wing.

It looks like the Wizards really need a solid SF. I think the Wizards will play a lot of 3 guard line-ups and Yi at SF. I think Young, Thornton and Yi would all be available for a team willing to give up a SF on an expiring contract.

Young, Yi, and Thornton are all expiring contracts themselves.

[LyricalRico]

WireTap mentions that the Pacers are looking for a 2-for-1 deal involving some of their wing players so they can get down to the roster limit without simply eating a contract. I'd be interested in Brandon Rush (assuming his option for 2011-12 isn't picked up). Not sure who we'd be giving up, though. Hudson? Future seconds? Can that even work under the cap?

[nate33]

WireTap mentions that the Pacers are looking for a 2-for-2 deal involving some of their wing players so they can get down to the roster limit without simply eating a contract. I'd be interested in Brandon Rush (assuming his option for 2011-12 isn't picked up). Not sure who we'd be giving up, though. Hudson? Future seconds? Can that even work under the cap?

There's no way to make it work for both teams. Presumably, Indy wants to trade two mediocre wing players for one slightly-better-than-mediocre wing player. I don't want to be on the other end of that deal. You always lose when you trade quality for quantity.

If Indy is willing to just give away a guy for future pick, that might be worth exploring.

[Dat2U]

WireTap mentions that the Pacers are looking for a 2-for-1 deal involving some of their wing players so they can get down to the roster limit without simply eating a contract. I'd be interested in Brandon Rush (assuming his option for 2011-12 isn't picked up). Not sure who we'd be giving up, though. Hudson? Future seconds? Can that even work under the cap?

Why Brandon Rush? He's an SG and he's horrible.

[verbal8]

WireTap mentions that the Pacers are looking for a 2-for-1 deal involving some of their wing players so they can get down to the roster limit without simply eating a contract. I'd be interested in Brandon Rush (assuming his option for 2011-12 isn't picked up). Not sure who we'd be giving up, though. Hudson? Future seconds? Can that even work under the cap?

Why Brandon Rush? He's an SG and he's horrible.

Because people miss DStevenson j/k

[omegatronic3]

just a comment on the Arenas situation and if he should stay or go....
Obviously the answer is long term he should go ...but short term we need to drive up his value.
Leonsis should tell him to keep his F'ing mouth shut so that he doesnt create more drama.

Then go out and hit shots and show he still has value.

Then before February trade line get rid of him for a 2 guard. Heinrick is as good a role model for Wall as we could ask for. He plays hard...plays good D...has no drama