Bogut Injury Thread: "I may not be 100% this year" (page 21)

[carmelbrownqueen]

Race? He can't shoot because he's a whitey? LOL.

A similar discussion took place when Bogut made the comments about American players being more into spending money of expensive things v. his mindset which is different due to his cultural differences. I was annoyed with Bogut's ill-advised comments and stated my preference for him to keep his opinions to himself. That discussion also turned into a HUGE race and culture conversation which went well beyond basketball. I was even accused of always having a negative opinion of Bogut (which isn't accurate) along with all the racial things that came out of that too...actually that discussion got ugly.

There have been several times where that conversation has gotten ugly. I wonder if we are far enough removed from that time now to just say that despite the fact that he should probably have shut his pie hole he was right....

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Lol.. Well, let's just say in my opinion, regardless of the words chosen I still feel the comment wasn't necessary especially since he seems to have a similar preference for wasteful spending. Buying all these cars he is collecting is no different than what the others do. It's his choice though, and I'm happy he keeps more of his opinions on that type of thing to himself these days. Play basketball and play it well... that appears to lead to great success for him and this team.

[carmelbrownqueen]

I will probably get blasted for this comment but from what I have seen thus far, Larry Sanders seems to have a much better looking shot than Bogut.. and I believe he has more potential to be a consistent shooter than what I have seen from Bogut thoughout the years.

Sanders shot is pretty nice looking actually. Much much better form than Bogut. There is no doubt in my mind that he will be a better shooter than Bogut. Heck probably is right now.

The good news is that Bogut's offensive strength is his little baby hooks and such not his jumper.

I was pretty surprised to see that Larry had such good form on his shot seeing as he was viewed as being very raw in all areas of his game (slight advantage to defense). And I agree, I like that it appears now Bogut has something of a go-to move since he has added the baby hook. Still wish he could develop into a Vlade Divac type shooter but I'm fine with his role on the team at the present. It works for us and that's a good thing.

[carmelbrownqueen]

Bogut has always had a good jumpshot it just doesn't work in the NBA. I'd be confident betting that he'll shoot 40%+ from 3 at the next Olympics.

You know I keep hearing this, but never have actually seen anything close to a good looking jumpshot from him outside of his college days and even that's debatable.

Honestly I never thought his jumpshot looked very good in college either and always said that he wasn't as NBA ready on the offensive end as advertised. Perhaps its just confidence, I don't know...

[PedroGrande]

Not trying to be against anybody, expecially CBQ, but the car collecting thing, the old car collecting thing although he does it because he love them, it can be a quite good investment if he treats them in the right way as he seem to do. I bet he can sell all his car right now and get the same money or even more money on them than he spent buying it.

That said, the words he said about the spending habits of others are in some ways truth, but in others what is his business with the way other people spend the money they earned?

It's not because of that that my consideration for him will lower, he already shown us that he has the head in the right place

[paul]

Yeah I was going to mention something about the cars but thought I'd let it lie - when it comes to cars he's a collector not a showpony. He's actually setup a business for his Dad in Australia restoring classic muscle cars many of which they source from the US, it's a shared hobby the two of them have that I guess they are trying to make money from now. Plus it's not like he's buying Phantoms, he's buying 57 Chevys.
My understanding, though I don't claim to be an expert on his financial matters, is that he's very frugal with his money for a guy earning $10+m PA. We've had that backed up by a few sources on here over the years, GAD was one of them.

[carmelbrownqueen]

Buying classic cars because you have the money to do it and enjoy it as a hobby is great... it's still wasteful though because cars (whether classic or not) aren't a necessary expenditure and don't appreciate on a level that necessitates their purchase. It's something he does because it's what he likes to do.. its just as wasteful as "bling bling" and all the rest of the garbage people spend money on that doesn't really add much diversification to their financial profile.

Maybe he doesn't buy Gucci shoes or whatever, but his unnecessary purchases aren't any better than other anyone elses. Its what he likes and he has the money to do it.. Enjoy.

[paul]

Buying classic cars because you have the money to do it and enjoy it as a hobby is great... it's still wasteful though because cars (whether classic or not) aren't a necessary expenditure and don't appreciate on a level that necessitates their purchase. It's something he does because it's what he likes to do.. its just as wasteful as "bling bling" and all the rest of the garbage people spend money on that doesn't really add much diversification to their financial profile.

Maybe he doesn't buy Gucci shoes or whatever, but his unnecessary purchases aren't any better than other anyone elses. Its what he likes and he has the money to do it.. Enjoy.

I'd suggest his unnecessary purchases are significantly better than some peoples CBQ, the dude isn't paying a million a month to friends to be his friends, he's spending (relatively) extremely small amounts of money which means he's operating well within his means - I suspect he could multiply his car purchases by 100 a month and he'd still be operating well within his means. Unnecessary expenditure is never a problem if it doesn't put you under financial strain - it's called disposable income for a reason. It's when that spending starts to impact your ability to meet your financial obligations that it becomes a problem and that's what he was referring to. No one cares if a ball player is wearing Gucci shoes and a diamond plated jockstrap if he can pay his rent, but as he said 5 years ago many can't because of the crap they buy. And that's the point.

Sorry I'm not trying to re-ignite this I just think you have the wrong impression of his car purchases.

[carmelbrownqueen]

I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it.

ETA: Don't worry you aren't re-igniting anything. I made a comment and it started a discussion. I don't spend much time on here anyway so I doubt it will continue.

My original thought stands though, that I see a much higher potential in Sanders (thus far) to be a more consistent midranger shooter than I have seen in Bogut.

[EastSideBucksFan]

Buying classic cars because you have the money to do it and enjoy it as a hobby is great... it's still wasteful though because cars (whether classic or not) aren't a necessary expenditure and don't appreciate on a level that necessitates their purchase. It's something he does because it's what he likes to do.. its just as wasteful as "bling bling" and all the rest of the garbage people spend money on that doesn't really add much diversification to their financial profile.

Maybe he doesn't buy Gucci shoes or whatever, but his unnecessary purchases aren't any better than other anyone elses. Its what he likes and he has the money to do it.. Enjoy.

Coming from a guy who works in the classic car industry, you couldn't be more wrong.

This is an insanely great time to be purchasing these vehicles right now if you have liquid cash to spend and sit on. People are selling these cars well below market value due to a terrible economy, unemployment, etc. Just like buying a stock when the price is low, such is the market with classic cars. If you are smart and buy the right ones, they will bounce back in value over the next few years and he will see appreciated values to these cars.

These aren't sunken costs like many other methods of spending money which I won't even both to give examples of.

[paul]

I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it.

Can't ask for more than that CBQ

[carmelbrownqueen]

I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it.

Can't ask for more than that CBQ

Yep, I don't see it as a big deal really.. if I want to get the best return on my investment from a financial perspective, I wouldn't buy ANY of the stuff they waste their money on. The return on investment is much higher if you purchase other commodities and are smart about it.

[chuckleslove]

I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it.

Can't ask for more than that CBQ

Yep, I don't see it as a big deal really.. if I want to get the best return on my investment from a financial perspective, I wouldn't buy ANY of the stuff they waste their money on. The return on investment is much higher if you purchase other commodities and are smart about it.

I would agree if it was just about investment options. It is also a hobby though, he isn't buying cars purely for investment purposes, it just so happens that his hobby can double as a minor investment option.

[ClassicJack]

Yeah I was going to mention something about the cars but thought I'd let it lie - when it comes to cars he's a collector not a showpony. He's actually setup a business for his Dad in Australia restoring classic muscle cars many of which they source from the US, it's a shared hobby the two of them have that I guess they are trying to make money from now. Plus it's not like he's buying Phantoms, he's buying 57 Chevys.
My understanding, though I don't claim to be an expert on his financial matters, is that he's very frugal with his money for a guy earning $10+m PA. We've had that backed up by a few sources on here over the years, GAD was one of them.

This is where my problem came in. He can justify it as part of his culture or whatever he wants. The guys over here can do the same. I believe he should be able to say whatever he wants whenever he wants but that doesn't mean I have to be okay with his generalizations or look past the hypocrisy of it all. I mean c'mon. So he chose a 57 Chevy over a Phantom. He made a choice. Not a right or wrong situation, same with the guys who chose the Phantom.

I honestly think Bogut has made major strides over the last couple of years since that article to embrace the commonalities with his teammates and other players over here than to go out of his way to highlight how different he was and how his way is better. People don't like to talk about that because it highlights his past shortcomings but it played a major role in the chemistry of the team being as great as it was last year. That article came out when he simply still had a LOT of maturing to do.

[paul]

Yeah I was going to mention something about the cars but thought I'd let it lie - when it comes to cars he's a collector not a showpony. He's actually setup a business for his Dad in Australia restoring classic muscle cars many of which they source from the US, it's a shared hobby the two of them have that I guess they are trying to make money from now. Plus it's not like he's buying Phantoms, he's buying 57 Chevys.
My understanding, though I don't claim to be an expert on his financial matters, is that he's very frugal with his money for a guy earning $10+m PA. We've had that backed up by a few sources on here over the years, GAD was one of them.

This is where my problem came in. He can justify it as part of his culture or whatever he wants. The guys over here can do the same. I believe he should be able to say whatever he wants whenever he wants but that doesn't mean I have to be okay with his generalizations or look past the hypocrisy of it all. I mean c'mon. So he chose a 57 Chevy over a Phantom. He made a choice. Not a right or wrong situation, same with the guys who chose the Phantom.

I honestly think Bogut has made major strides over the last couple of years since that article to embrace the commonalities with his teammates and other players over here than to go out of his way to highlight how different he was and how his way is better. People don't like to talk about that because it highlights his past shortcomings but it played a major role in the chemistry of the team being as great as it was last year. That article came out when he simply still had a LOT of maturing to do.

I don't disagree that he was immature, I don't think he would either.

Just to clarify though my point on the Phantom vs the Chevy wasn't anything cultural, it was that one is worth $500K while the other is worth $50K and he's buying the latter. My point was that he's not stretching himself in any way shape or form to buy 10 of his muscle cars.

[ClassicJack]

I don't disagree that he was immature, I don't think he would either.

Just to clarify though my point on the Phantom vs the Chevy wasn't anything cultural, it was that one is worth $500K while the other is worth $50K and he's buying the latter. My point was that he's not stretching himself in any way shape or form to buy 10 of his muscle cars.

Understood.

My point was that I doubt that the vast majority of guys in the league are stretching themselves to buy things they can't afford but if you listened to him at the time you would believe they did. He seemed to base a lot of his opinions on perceptions and generalizations rather that taking the time to actually get to know.

[paul]

I don't disagree that he was immature, I don't think he would either.

Just to clarify though my point on the Phantom vs the Chevy wasn't anything cultural, it was that one is worth $500K while the other is worth $50K and he's buying the latter. My point was that he's not stretching himself in any way shape or form to buy 10 of his muscle cars.

Understood.

My point was that I doubt that the vast majority of guys in the league are stretching themselves to buy things they can't afford but if you listened to him at the time you would believe they did. He seemed to base a lot of his opinions on perceptions and generalizations rather that taking the time to actually get to know.

Yeah fair enough. I mean I think he was asked a specific question on the topic and answered it moreso than starting an unprovoked rant, but I get what you're saying.

[emunney]

Coming from a guy who works in the classic car industry, you couldn't be more wrong.

Coming from a guy who works in the mouse socks industry, let me tell you, now is a great opportunity to buy mouse socks. Mouse feet have never been colder

[trwi7]

Coming from a guy who works in the classic car industry, you couldn't be more wrong.

Coming from a guy who works in the mouse socks industry, let me tell you, now is a great opportunity to buy mouse socks. Mouse feet have never been colder

I'm looking for something wool. Do you have wool?

[EastSideBucksFan]

Coming from a guy who works in the classic car industry, you couldn't be more wrong.

Coming from a guy who works in the mouse socks industry, let me tell you, now is a great opportunity to buy mouse socks. Mouse feet have never been colder

Any particular reason you are being a douchebag?

[carmelbrownqueen]

This is where my problem came in. He can justify it as part of his culture or whatever he wants. The guys over here can do the same. I believe he should be able to say whatever he wants whenever he wants but that doesn't mean I have to be okay with his generalizations or look past the hypocrisy of it all. I mean c'mon. So he chose a 57 Chevy over a Phantom. He made a choice. Not a right or wrong situation, same with the guys who chose the Phantom.

I honestly think Bogut has made major strides over the last couple of years since that article to embrace the commonalities with his teammates and other players over here than to go out of his way to highlight how different he was and how his way is better. People don't like to talk about that because it highlights his past shortcomings but it played a major role in the chemistry of the team being as great as it was last year. That article came out when he simply still had a LOT of maturing to do.

Very well put and I agree... Everything is about growth and I agree he has grown a lot. He's not the same anti-social emo-kid he was when he got here which is great for the fans and the team in general.