Dudley Official A Guard - Not Forward

[JMac1]

Yes it is major. It means Dudley will not be leaving. JRich and Grant's contracts expire next year, which means Dudley and Childress are our future 2 and 3.

We're gonna be a huge joke for a while if we plan to have a starting 5 of Dragic/Dudley/Childress/Hedo/Lopez hahahaha.

A Damn shame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a Effing Joke1!!

[th3matrix1]

Nash-Dragic
JRich-Dudley
Hill-Hedo-JChill
Warrick-Frye-Lawal
Dampier-Lopez

i personally think Hedo should come off the bench because he cant play PF, and hasnt been producing wen put as SF.
So if we get Dampier, im hoping to see him start because he's better on the offensive end than Rolo, and similar defensively. So Rolo can come off the bench and be extremely effective as he'll be the only one in the key with Hedo, Frye, n Duds on the wing

Ok, I don't get all the "bench Hedo" talk. Who says Hedo "can't play the 4"? He hasn't done a bad job so far this preseason. And what in gods name do you mean he "hasn't been producing" at SF"? Its PRESEASON people. Has Nash been "producing" as well as usaual so far this PRESEASON? Hell no. Because its the PRESEASON. Turkoglu goes from the main playmaker/second best player on a finals team playing at an all-star level to 2nd string SF on a middle-of-the-pack playoff team 2 years later? I'm confused.

Why is JChill 3rd string? Garbage. Childress was debateably one of the top players during training camp for us, right behind JRich. I'm sorry, that makes no sense.

Dampier starting over Lopez? Are you insane sir? An offensive improvement? I'm pretty sure Lopez is a better offensive player than 36-year old Erick Dampier, especially in this offense. I'm also really confused at your logic of starting a lumbering center who will probably only be in the league for one or two more years over our "Center of the future"? Lopez is more than ready to start right now, and if he isn't the opening day starter this season, there will be some serious anger directed at the FO for their insanity.

+1
Just give him some time and hedo will start to produce. Gentry is a smart guy, i am pretty sure he knows what hes doing.

[RunDogGun]

Yes it is major. It means Dudley will not be leaving. JRich and Grant's contracts expire next year, which means Dudley and Childress are our future 2 and 3.

Until we extend Dudley, it doesn't mean much right now. Dudley plays more of a spot up shooter, and Chill plays more of a slasher. Sounds logical to label one a sg and the other a sf. I couldn't possibly make a prediction of future lineups, when I haven't even seen one I like in this preseason.

Dudley still might make a big trading chip later this year. Showing that he could play the two or three might showcase him more. And like Hill said, Nash and Lopez are really the only true positions on the team, everyone else is just a player.

[lilfishi22]

I don't know how much of a trade chip Dudley really is. He's a nice 3PT shooter who plays nice hustle D but the guy has limited potential and limited athletically. Basically what you see is what you get. I don't see anyone trading any youngsters (especially a young big) for him. Pair him up with some of our other assets (JRich, Hedo, Warrick, Frye etc) and he'll have value.

I think we're better off extending him and make him part of our future.

[DRK]

I think we're better off extending him and make him part of our future.

Although if the right trade comes along I would say yes.

For example, if the Knicks were to offer us Chandler and a 2nd for Dudley and Warrick, I would say yes.

[lilfishi22]

Obviously. But I just don't see how much trade value Dudley has. I don't see how he can get us someone good realistically. As much as I love Dudley, his trade value is as a good "throw-in" as part of a bigger deal, kind of like how he came to us.

[DRK]

His value is obviously alot higher than it was when Phoenix did that trade for him and J-Rich back in '08.

I think now he's more than a "throw in." He has established himself as a very good defender and three point shooter. he also has High BBIQ and hustles on every play.

I figure contending teams value Dudley more than lottery teams, therefore will be willing to pay a higher price for him.

[JohnVancouver]

I think we're better off extending him and make him part of our future.

Although if the right trade comes along I would say yes.

For example, if the Knicks were to offer us Chandler and a 2nd for Dudley and Warrick, I would say yes.

What about Chandler and Curry for JRich? It works in trade checker , and Curry is a nice expiring contract with not much to pay out as I recall. I have a huge crush on Chandler since summer league a couple years ago - he just destroyed people

[JohnVancouver]

I don't know how much of a trade chip Dudley really is. He's a nice 3PT shooter who plays nice hustle D but the guy has limited potential and limited athletically. Basically what you see is what you get. I don't see anyone trading any youngsters (especially a young big) for him. Pair him up with some of our other assets (JRich, Hedo, Warrick, Frye etc) and he'll have value.

I think we're better off extending him and make him part of our future.

Agree with you - Duds is the kind of player that GMs seem to admire but are hesitant to pull out the chequebook for. They like to see stats and graphs, which is tough on an intangibles guy. Duds brings much more than ends up on the scoresheet
Not that he's worth huge star money but he's a very valuable;e component to the team. I do think that if he makes a similar improvement to his game to the one he brought last season, he is carving out a nice niche for himself in the league. Last year he added the 3, and he worked on his short jumper this summer, and lost considerable wight to be more effective as a defender.
Not a player you want to let go of

[lilfishi22]

What about Chandler and Curry for JRich? It works in trade checker , and Curry is a nice expiring contract with not much to pay out as I recall. I have a huge crush on Chandler since summer league a couple years ago - he just destroyed people

Under different circumstances, I would say yes but we're already stacked as hell at the 3. But that is definitely a deal I'd look at.

Agree with you - Duds is the kind of player that GMs seem to admire but are hesitant to pull out the chequebook for. They like to see stats and graphs, which is tough on an intangibles guy. Duds brings much more than ends up on the scoresheet
Not that he's worth huge star money but he's a very valuable;e component to the team. I do think that if he makes a similar improvement to his game to the one he brought last season, he is carving out a nice niche for himself in the league. Last year he added the 3, and he worked on his short jumper this summer, and lost considerable wight to be more effective as a defender.
Not a player you want to let go of

This is why I want Dudley to be part of our future. He brings a ton of intangibles to the game but he doesn't really post numbers statistically, which is what gets players paid (or overpaid). I think he could be kept for relatively cheap, around $4-6m. He just doesn't have a high enough ceiling to net us anyone worth trading for.

[DRK]

I think we're better off extending him and make him part of our future.

Although if the right trade comes along I would say yes.

For example, if the Knicks were to offer us Chandler and a 2nd for Dudley and Warrick, I would say yes.

What about Chandler and Curry for JRich? It works in trade checker , and Curry is a nice expiring contract with not much to pay out as I recall. I have a huge crush on Chandler since summer league a couple years ago - he just destroyed people

I've thought about that trade over and over again, but I can't bring myself to like it all that much.

I want Chandler, but I dont know if giving up J-Rich is a good decision.

[SUN]

I see no reason why we shouldn't resign Jared. He's a great defensive guard who has ball handling ability, decent passer and a great shooter. He's also very young and improving every single season, and I have no doubt that he'll improve even more. Wilson Chandler is cool too, but we're clogged at the small forward spot, and we don't need another guard.

[lilfishi22]

I think the only reason we may let Dudley go is because we already signed JChill long term. I don't think Hedo can play the 4 forever so I think he'll like shift to the 3 as soon as we get a proper 4 which means JChill will be the backup 3. That kind of leaves Dudley. He can play the 2 but ideally he's better suited at the 3.

[DRK]

I think the only reason we may let Dudley go is because we already signed JChill long term. I don't think Hedo can play the 4 forever so I think he'll like shift to the 3 as soon as we get a proper 4 which means JChill will be the backup 3. That kind of leaves Dudley. He can play the 2 but ideally he's better suited at the 3.

I can see why you think that, but Dudleys recent weight loss makes him better at the 2, where he will be guarding faster/shorter guards. He may not be the most athletic shooting guard, but he excels in many other areas which make up for the lack of athleticism.

Dudley's shot is good enough for him to play the 2. It's consistent, and he has great range on it. Dudley's on the ball defense is definatly good enough. Last season he averaged a steal a game in just about 24 minutes of play. When on the court, he goes after every ball. He hustles on offence and defense.

I dont see any problem with Dudley being in the mix as the shooting guard of our future.

[Kerrsed]

Suns forward Jared Dudley is eligible for a contract extension, but the team appears unlikely to give him one.

Dudley's agent, Mark Bartelstein, has discussed a potential deal with Phoenix, but the 2007 first-round pick isn't expecting anything to happen by the Nov. 1 deadline.

"You've got to understand where the Suns are coming from," Dudley said. "I'm going to be a restricted free agent. In the collective-bargaining agreement, you don't know. I can understand. Our class might have only two guys (Kevin Durant and Joakim Noah) that sign. I heard Al Horford might sign soon, so that's three. The CBA has a lot to do with it. We have a new GM and president, so I think they'll wait and see."

"It doesn't really matter for me because my value is only going to go up every year because I'm getting more comfortable with another year in this system. I don't mind waiting a year if the Suns wanted to do that. But I'm not someone who is willing to take a whole, whole lot less just because of the collective bargaining agreement. I'm expecting a big year from myself and my team and playing a bigger role. If they take care of me like Channing (Frye) and Josh (Childress), I'll be back."

I knew it.

[DRK]

He's not going to stick around. My guess is he'll go to wherever the cash is, and sign with the team that is in the largest market possible.

Bye Bye Dudley.