SOTD: All stats from vs. Bos 2010/10/15

[BorisDK1]

A tad later than I promised, it being very much an ungodly hour.

At any rate, the usual efficiency stats for this game can be found here in .pdf format. As per usual, the download is free, fast and secure.

Just a reminder that these are very small sample sizes, so I don't think there's any need to go writing off anybody's career over one game or call for their mothers to be assassinated or whatever other drama some people might want to try to whip up. For instance, I was impressed as hell with Alabi's play in his five minutes, but he shows a negative Net Points simply because he gave a foul that resulted in made free throws without having a chance to statistically contribute much to make up for it. Take that caveat for what it's worth.

[raptorforlife88]

So I guess they attacked the crap out of the PG's during the game. .28 and .255% for Jack and Jose respectively, and neither one handled it well. Rondo destroyed both of them.

[BorisDK1]

So I guess they attacked the crap out of the PG's during the game. .28 and .255% for Jack and Jose respectively, and neither one handled it well. Rondo destroyed both of them.

Yeah, and they both fouled a ton: 6 FFT for Jose, 7 for Jarrett. That contributed a lot to their poor showing. And I'm hoping in at least the case of the one foul call on Jarrett + technical foul that the same calls will not be made in the regular season.

[TheBat]

So I guess they attacked the crap out of the PG's during the game. .28 and .255% for Jack and Jose respectively, and neither one handled it well. Rondo destroyed both of them.

Yeah, and they both fouled a ton: 6 FFT for Jose, 7 for Jarrett. That contributed a lot to their poor showing. And I'm hoping in at least the case of the one foul call on Jarrett + technical foul that the same calls will not be made in the regular season.

To be fair there aren't many PG's that could stop Rondo when he picks up speed and drives to the basket. They count on the help defense being there. Rondo and Nate exploited this as Bargs and Anderson were terrible on rotations.

[BorisDK1]

To be fair there aren't many PG's that could stop Rondo when he picks up speed and drives to the basket. They count on the help defense being there. Rondo and Nate exploited this as Bargs and Anderson were terrible on rotations.

What are you going to do in help against a straight-line drive? You can't do much other than foul. Bargnani was right outside the lane on the strong side early once or twice and Rondo just zipped right past him and laid the ball in. You can't allow a drive like that, although there are some things that Bargnani could have done that might have helped but once the defense on the ball is dismissed on a drive like that, there's no such thing as help.

I know it's tough on a guy like Rondo, but these guys have got to defend better than that. True, the officials were giving Rajon Rondo a lot of love but still...

[TheBat]

To be fair there aren't many PG's that could stop Rondo when he picks up speed and drives to the basket. They count on the help defense being there. Rondo and Nate exploited this as Bargs and Anderson were terrible on rotations.

What are you going to do in help against a straight-line drive? You can't do much other than foul. Bargnani was right outside the lane on the strong side early once or twice and Rondo just zipped right past him and laid the ball in. You can't allow a drive like that, although there are some things that Bargnani could have done that might have helped but once the defense on the ball is dismissed on a drive like that, there's no such thing as help.

I know it's tough on a guy like Rondo, but these guys have got to defend better than that. True, the officials were giving Rajon Rondo a lot of love but still...

He should be doing what every other center does when they have to slide in to help. Take the foul if he has to but make it a hard foul. But there is also a chance for a blocked shot or even a charge. Rondo can beat any other PG in the league the same way. Their bigs set amazing (although often illegal) picks.

[BorisDK1]

He should be doing what every other center does when they have to slide in to help. Take the foul if he has to but make it a hard foul. But there is also a chance for a blocked shot or even a charge. Rondo can beat any other PG in the league the same way. Their bigs set amazing (although often illegal) picks.

And what makes you think Andrea wasn't there in time on at least several instances? I know for a fact he was, I recall one specific instance where he was well across the lane and waiting for Rondo, but couldn't come right into him because the drive was unpressured and Rondo could still go both ways. Andrea gets off the ground and attempts to block the shot, Rondo floats by and gets a layup. Guys at this level are too good just to go wildly careening into people: you have to contest drives, pressure them and keep them out of the middle if you want to pick up a charge. Whoever the PG was on that specific instance (I seem to recall it being Calderon, but don't take that as gospel truth) was nowhere to be found and the drive was competely uncontrolled. You cannot help on that effectively, other than hope they miss.

[raptorforlife88]

Holy crap. I didn't realize this before, but Joey Dorsey grabbed over half the available rebounds when he was on the floor. TRB of .517. That's awesome.

Both him and Alabi should be above Evans on the depth chart. Alabi looks less raw than I thought he would. I can seem him eventually making a really good impact on the team. He has a nice stroke from the free throw line as well, and his length can really be used as a strength on defense.

[BorisDK1]

Holy crap. I didn't realize this before, but Joey Dorsey grabbed over half the available rebounds when he was on the floor. TRB of .517. That's awesome.

Both him and Alabi should be above Evans on the depth chart. Alabi looks less raw than I thought he would. I can seem him eventually making a really good impact on the team. He has a nice stroke from the free throw line as well, and his length can really be used as a strength on defense.

Yeah, I like Reggie's attitude just like everybody else probably does - but honestly, don't Amir, Dorsey and Alabi bring the same commitment and attidue? I know Jay's trying hard to send some messages and establish the culture that wasn't there last year, and I don't want to criticize too long and hard because he is getting that done, but surely there are better things to do with Reggie Evans than use him as the bane of Amir Johnson's existence?

[J-Roc]

Boris, you're our resident coaching expert. Last year our defensive philosophy was to protect the paint. This year it's about pressure. If we applied a pressure D last season, would we have been better off, considering last year's personnel?

[Indeed]

Thanks again for the stats.

Boris, you're our resident coaching expert. Last year our defensive philosophy was to protect the paint. This year it's about pressure. If we applied a pressure D last season, would we have been better off, considering last year's personnel?

I don't think it works last year with Hedo at the 3, and Belinelli did a lot of pressuring, which worked very well for him, but not all the time.
Meanwhile, we might still have problem with Kleiza at the 3, but it wouldn't be that bad as he is willing to put the effort.

[TMMC]

Boris is the teams stats guy brought here by Bryan Colangelo to put to bed all the statguy wanna be's who only post stats that pinpoint the how bad they feel the players they dislike are...

This is all an attempt by Bryan Colangelo to rule the world and coddle Bargnani



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[Indeed]

He should be doing what every other center does when they have to slide in to help. Take the foul if he has to but make it a hard foul. But there is also a chance for a blocked shot or even a charge. Rondo can beat any other PG in the league the same way. Their bigs set amazing (although often illegal) picks.

And what makes you think Andrea wasn't there in time on at least several instances? I know for a fact he was, I recall one specific instance where he was well across the lane and waiting for Rondo, but couldn't come right into him because the drive was unpressured and Rondo could still go both ways. Andrea gets off the ground and attempts to block the shot, Rondo floats by and gets a layup. Guys at this level are too good just to go wildly careening into people: you have to contest drives, pressure them and keep them out of the middle if you want to pick up a charge. Whoever the PG was on that specific instance (I seem to recall it being Calderon, but don't take that as gospel truth) was nowhere to be found and the drive was competely uncontrolled. You cannot help on that effectively, other than hope they miss.

Actually, Bargnani's rotation was great (or perhaps the team rotation was great), but Boston was making the corner 3, which we intended to leave open for.
Also, I think we had a hard time guarding Ray Allen as well. And of course KG, he fought against 3 guys in the paint and scored.

Maybe we can have Weems guarding Rondo, Jack guarding Allen and DeRozan guarding Piece.
But of course, Boston is just hard to defend. Everyone can score in their lineup, where playing defense might not be the only element. We need offense to match their scoring output.

[raptorforlife88]

Boris is the teams stats guy brought here by Bryan Colangelo to put to bed all the statguy wanna be's who only post stats that pinpoint the how bad they feel the players they dislike are...

This is all an attempt by Bryan Colangelo to rule the world and coddle Bargnani



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I'm aware of the sarcasm, but my faith in the board isn't so strong. So just to make it clear, Bargnani did not look good yesterday, and that was reflected in the stats.

[BorisDK1]

Boris, you're our resident coaching expert. Last year our defensive philosophy was to protect the paint. This year it's about pressure. If we applied a pressure D last season, would we have been better off, considering last year's personnel?

No, they were too slow to be effective playing a real pressure/overplay type system. I would've done exactly what Triano did last year, philosophically. After all, he essentially did exactly what Kevin O'Neill did in 2003-04, and that ended up being the 7th best defense in the league that year with an undaunting roster, to say the least. I think Jay did the right thing from a strategic standpoint. And given the success he's had elsewhere and the kind of reputation he has with other coaches, you have to believe he knows the game and - more importantly - can teach the game. Obviously he didn't do a whole lot substitution-wise to correct the defensive terribleness, but I'm of the opinion that money dictated terms there, and that team was never going to be any good defensively regardless of who was coaching it. Phil Jackson could have been assisted by Jerry Sloan and Gregg Popovic and it still wouldn't have been any good. Now, had Jay outright benched guys making big bucks to improve the defense, maybe that might have helped but I can't think of anybody naive enough to think 1) that was going to happen, 2) that would have been a good idea if it had.

[BorisDK1]

Boris is the teams stats guy brought here by Bryan Colangelo to put to bed all the statguy wanna be's who only post stats that pinpoint the how bad they feel the players they dislike are...

This is all an attempt by Bryan Colangelo to rule the world and coddle Bargnani



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Ha! If that were the case, I'd be asking Colangelo for one hell of a raise (or at least some time off).

I echo RFL88's concerns about the board and will state for the record that I am using a method new here to most people, I think it's probably the best way to evaluate individual defensive and offensive efficiency and production (and it's by no means my own) but I don't think it should be used in isolation. Certainly, what I'm posting here needs to be read alongside some of the things supersub is doing and ultimately we need to be using these numbers to ask questions, not make declarative statements. And we need to ask them to the basketball court, not to Microsoft Excel.

I hope what I'm doing is useful: I think it is. But for the people who might read TMMC without getting the sarcasm, I'm not here to either excoriate or exculpate any player on this team. My stats won't do that, either: what they will do, hopefully, is direct our questions to the right places.

[Indeed]

Boris is the teams stats guy brought here by Bryan Colangelo to put to bed all the statguy wanna be's who only post stats that pinpoint the how bad they feel the players they dislike are...

This is all an attempt by Bryan Colangelo to rule the world and coddle Bargnani



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Ha! If that were the case, I'd be asking Colangelo for one hell of a raise (or at least some time off).

I echo RFL88's concerns about the board and will state for the record that I am using a method new here to most people, I think it's probably the best way to evaluate individual defensive and offensive efficiency and production (and it's by no means my own) but I don't think it should be used in isolation. Certainly, what I'm posting here needs to be read alongside some of the things supersub is doing and ultimately we need to be using these numbers to ask questions, not make declarative statements. And we need to ask them to the basketball court, not to Microsoft Excel.

I hope what I'm doing is useful: I think it is. But for the people who might read TMMC without getting the sarcasm, I'm not here to either excoriate or exculpate any player on this team. My stats won't do that, either: what they will do, hopefully, is direct our questions to the right places.

It is useful. Both your stats and ss' are useful.
It is hard to use stats to judge a player, because we need a pattern to conclude things, but in real life, it is not necessary the case. However, stats helps pointing or narrowing the problems.
Anyway, to me, this is good stuff.

[J-Roc]

Boris, you're our resident coaching expert. Last year our defensive philosophy was to protect the paint. This year it's about pressure. If we applied a pressure D last season, would we have been better off, considering last year's personnel?

No, they were too slow to be effective playing a real pressure/overplay type system. I would've done exactly what Triano did last year, philosophically. After all, he essentially did exactly what Kevin O'Neill did in 2003-04, and that ended up being the 7th best defense in the league that year with an undaunting roster, to say the least. I think Jay did the right thing from a strategic standpoint. And given the success he's had elsewhere and the kind of reputation he has with other coaches, you have to believe he knows the game and - more importantly - can teach the game. Obviously he didn't do a whole lot substitution-wise to correct the defensive terribleness, but I'm of the opinion that money dictated terms there, and that team was never going to be any good defensively regardless of who was coaching it. Phil Jackson could have been assisted by Jerry Sloan and Gregg Popovic and it still wouldn't have been any good. Now, had Jay outright benched guys making big bucks to improve the defense, maybe that might have helped but I can't think of anybody naive enough to think 1) that was going to happen, 2) that would have been a good idea if it had.

Thanks for your opinion. I like getting some real coach speak. I have another. What's harder to teach, or coax out of your players, having a top 10 defence or a top 10 offence? Players are always out there practicing their shots, their handle, etc. But no one is practicing D, which means it's all up to coaches and real practices.