Trade question

[Moochiefried]

Hello, I'm from the suns board...I come in peace

Another poster on our board brought this to our attention.

Thompson And The Suns?


It no secret the Suns are looking for inexpensive answers to any and all problems, and it just so happens that there is a fairly inexpensive answer to the power forward hole. The Sacramento Kings have accumulated a nice collection of front court talent, so much that one particular piece appears to be the odd man out. Thought to be a foundational piece for the Kings, Jason Thompson is quickly losing his starting spot to Carl Landry, whom the team acquired at last year's trade deadline, and should the Kings decide to move Thompson the Suns should be first on their list of possible trade partners.

Unlike Warrick, Thompson is a player with a great deal of upside, one who would benefit greatly from playing alongside Steve Nash in an offense that stresses moving the ball more and creating more touches for everyone. Thompson might even be among the top candidates for Most Improved Player in the Suns' system. The Suns would absolutely be better, and Warrick is better suited to a secondary role behind a player like Thompson. If the Suns are serious about getting back to the Western Conference Finals they're going to need to work on their lineup a little bit more, and Thompson is the kind of player who could potentially help Suns fans forget what they lost in Amar'e Stoudemire.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=17644

What would it take for you guys to do this trade?

We're think something involving Dudley and another piece.

Come join in the conversation on our board.

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1059573

Gotta limit the articles to just a few paragraphs. I left in the part relevant to this discussion.

[dozencousins]

Hello, I'm from the suns board...I come in peace

Another poster on our board brought this to our attention.

Thompson And The Suns?

There's no question that losing Amar'e Stoudemire was a devastating blow to the Phoenix Suns. Not that it was a surprise after the team was close to trading him numerous times over the last couple of seasons, but that doesn't change the fact that a team which was just in the Western Conference Finals allowed one of the primary players who got them there to get away. Of course, the arrival of Hedo Turkoglu, Hakim Warrick and Josh Childress was supposed to help ease the sting of Amare's departure, but so far the Suns look closer to being a lottery team than they do a candidate to return to the West's final round.

Suns coach Alvin Gentry runs a system that allows players to run more freely, and sometimes allows players who might not be as good in another system to look very good in Phoenix. A great deal of that has to do with the presence of Steve Nash, around whom the system was built. Few point guards in the NBA have the knack for finding a balance between scoring and passing that Nash does, and his court vision is as good as anyone's in the league, even at this late stage of his career. It's Nash who is expected to help Turkoglu and Warrick, in particular, provide the firepower that the team lost in Stoudemire.

So far, the results are mixed. Warrick looks good, and has lead the Suns in scoring for the preseason with 10.8 points per game in just 18 minutes of action per contest. He's also shooting 58% from the field, showing the kind of improvement one might expect from a player joining Nash in the Suns' run-and-gun offense. Of course, his 2.8 rebounds are well short of Stoudemire's normal production of eight or nine rebounds per game, but considering Warrick was brought in as a money-saving alternative, you can't expect him to do it alone.

Turkoglu has been quite a disappointment early on, especially considering he is really the piece who is supposed to ease the sting of Stoudemire's departure. He played his best basketball as a member of the Orlando Magic, where he handled a large share of the ball-handling duties and lit up the scoreboard with his dead-eye three-point shooting night in and night out. He didn't fit in with the Raptors at all, but given the Suns' style of play he certainly has the potential to be an enormous factor for Phoenix. So far, however, that hasn't been the case. Also averaging right around 18 minutes per game, Turkoglu is managing just 5.2 points per game in preseason while shooting 33% from the field and 28% from three.

Reality should be quickly setting in for the 1-5 Suns . . .you can't hope to replace a perennial All-Star power forward with cheaper, less effective pieces, and still expect to be competitive.

It no secret the Suns are looking for inexpensive answers to any and all problems, and it just so happens that there is a fairly inexpensive answer to the power forward hole. The Sacramento Kings have accumulated a nice collection of front court talent, so much that one particular piece appears to be the odd man out. Thought to be a foundational piece for the Kings, Jason Thompson is quickly losing his starting spot to Carl Landry, whom the team acquired at last year's trade deadline, and should the Kings decide to move Thompson the Suns should be first on their list of possible trade partners.

Unlike Warrick, Thompson is a player with a great deal of upside, one who would benefit greatly from playing alongside Steve Nash in an offense that stresses moving the ball more and creating more touches for everyone. Thompson might even be among the top candidates for Most Improved Player in the Suns' system. The Suns would absolutely be better, and Warrick is better suited to a secondary role behind a player like Thompson. If the Suns are serious about getting back to the Western Conference Finals they're going to need to work on their lineup a little bit more, and Thompson is the kind of player who could potentially help Suns fans forget what they lost in Amar'e Stoudemire.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=17644

What would it take for you guys to do this trade?

We're think something involving Dudley and another piece.

Come join in the conversation on our board.

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1059573

Though its possible at some point this season THOMPSON or LANDRY will be dealt at some point

1. I doubt it would be before the season starts

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2. We certainly dont want dudley at all he sucks ! & to say we would trade Thompson straight up for Dudley is stupid there is no way that deal happens & the Suns dont have much at all the KINGS want so unless the SUNS get a 3rd team involved I dont see THOMPSON ever being a SUN unless the SUNS part with 1 or possibly 2 future 1st round picks in the deal !

[RoyalCourtJestr]

Welcome, strange one. We welcome you in peace XD

But, seriously. Thompson is the starter of the future. Most of the board feels he should start over Landry. I doubt Thompson goes unless we're packaging for a star, and we'd need way more than Dudley.

[KF10]

I like Dudley. A good defender that can hit 3s at a high rate. But he will be arriving at a surplus in his position. Players like Greene, Casspi and Garcia are slated to play minutes there. I don't think Dudley will get the minutes he need to be successful here in Sacramento.

So, packaging Dudley for Thompson type of deal will not make sense for the Kings.

[Inc]

The only way I see us being trading partners if Beno Jr. (Dragic) comes our way.

[pillwenney]

Bingo. Dragic is the only piece I'm interested in.

[KingInExile]

More fundamentally, I think it's a bad assumption to think Thompson is going to be the "odd man out" just because of Landry. Landry has a year left on his contract. If his price tag for the future is going to be too high and Thompson continues to show positive progression (especially with his foul trouble problem), then the Kings will make the easy choice to keep Thompson and let Landry walk. So IMO Thompson is still a piece for the future and would require a fairly high price in a trade.

[KiNgSbOi]

I'm sure the Kings value Thompson pretty highly so it's unlikely they trade him to the Suns for Dudley and another player. I believe, JT would only be leaving us is if we can trade him in a package for a stud all-star type of player. Other than that, we are legit at the 4 & 5 and having plenty of depth is crucial, especially in this Western Conference where size matters.

[SacKingsPejaFan]

We're not good trading partners. The guys with talent on the Suns are too old for the Kings to have any interest in, and the young guys simply can't match Thompson's value. He's a double-double machine even off the bench. If you want him, you involve a third team that gets us something we actually need.

[SacKingZZZ]

More fundamentally, I think it's a bad assumption to think Thompson is going to be the "odd man out" just because of Landry. Landry has a year left on his contract. If his price tag for the future is going to be too high and Thompson continues to show positive progression (especially with his foul trouble problem), then the Kings will make the easy choice to keep Thompson and let Landry walk. So IMO Thompson is still a piece for the future and would require a fairly high price in a trade.

I agree, too early. Still, one will clearly be the "odd man out" by the deadline.

[SacKingZZZ]

We're not good trading partners. The guys with talent on the Suns are too old for the Kings to have any interest in, and the young guys simply can't match Thompson's value. He's a double-double machine even off the bench. If you want him, you involve a third team that gets us something we actually need.

Bull! I'd totally trade JT for that Nash guy!

I really like some of the young talent the Suns have. I don't think they'll get a chance to play but I like the promise of guys like Lawal and Clark.

If we are literally getting nothing beneficial out of JT then I would consider Lawal, Clark, and a top 7 protected pick from the Suns.

[perezident]

We would do however, JT Beno Wright for Dragic Childress 1st rounder (top 5 protected)

Dally/Cousins
Landry/Whiteside/Jackson
Greene/Casspi
Cisco/Childress/Head
Evans/Dragic

[DickVitale]

You wont get.... eh... Dudley Squat out of that trade.

And I agree with the rest of them, I like Dragic ... would be interesting to see what we'd need to give up to get him.

[Blkbrd671]

What you think about T prince, Summers for Thompson or Laundry or Whitteside?

Sacs got a lot of bigs and very few minutes. i would also take Dally.

[Alex_De_Large]

how bout dalmebert for princse

[KF10]

how bout dalmebert for princse

I don't think the Kings would want Prince playing ahead of both Casspi and Greene (who won the SF position).

Prince is only a rental and will take valuable minutes from the players that the Kings trying to grow. The Kings would rather hold on to Dalembert instead.

I like Prince and what he brings to the table but his services are more suited for a "win now" team.

[SacKingZZZ]

I still think Prince is a guy the Kings need to either look at before the trade deadline or during the summer. He's the type of solid veteran presence the Kings need there. Greene is really starting to look lost and Casspi off the bench behind someone as stable and defensively oriented as Prince would be some awesome depth.

If Daly looks like he's not having the kind of impact where you think you'll keep him long term I see no problem with that deal. I still want to see Cousins and Daly together, but I would even consider another deal, maybe Thompson or Landry if one or the other is clearly not going to be here long term. The Kings SF position is looking farther and farther from being anything close to resolved. Prince would be a great fit for this team.

[KF10]

The problem is that, Prince is an expiring contract. His contract is done by the summer. So, the Kings would offer him a new contract. And I don't know if the Kings are willing to do that, depending where we are (team development-wise).

But I would love to see Prince or Battier (an expiring too) somehow in a Kings jersey though.

[King Baller]

What this Kings squad needs is time.

Time to learn what the coaches want out of them.

Time to learn to play in the NBA.

Time to gel as a team.

A trade is not going to make the Kings magically better. The young King players need to develop.

A trade may or may not happen at the dead line. But it won't be a magic pill.

KB

[SacKingZZZ]

The problem is that, Prince is an expiring contract. His contract is done by the summer. So, the Kings would offer him a new contract. And I don't know if the Kings are willing to do that, depending where we are (team development-wise).

But I would love to see Prince or Battier (an expiring too) somehow in a Kings jersey though.

Both my targets if I'm Petrie. Development wise this team could use a Doug Christie or a Vlade type. Prince isn't old by any stretch, he's got plenty of years left in the tank. Trading for him early gives you certain advantages. #1 you get to see how he fits in before you invest any money into him long term and #2 you have his Bird rights and are in a positional advantage to re-sign him and do so at what could potentially equate to less money per year giving the Kings an extra mil or two in the interim.