Would Marion Have Opted Out?

The Diesel · Post #1 » by **The Diesel** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:40 am

Hey guys,

I was just thinking about Shawn Marion and the uncertainty regarding his future before he was traded.

As we all remember, Marion demanded a trade before the 2007-2008 season when they tried to trade him for Kevin Garnett and D'Antoni and David Griffin have both said his trade demand was part of the reason he was traded that season because he had become extremely unhappy and wanted to leave.

Given his unhappiness and the fact that the Suns were unwilling to give him a max contract, do you think he would have opted out after the season to test the market to get that max contract he was demanding?

What do you think?

DRK · Post #2 » by **DRK** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:42 am

Knowing him and his inflated ego. It would've been his way or highway. (His way meaning opting out and demanding a max contract.)

The Diesel · Post #3 » by **The Diesel** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:49 am

Marion hasn't even come close to playing like a max-contract player since leaving the Suns.

He was a disaster with the Miami Heat and only averaged 11/6 in the regular season for Dallas this season and only averaged 8/4 in the playoffs. :lol:

I think this will make for an interesting discussion because I wonder how likely it was that he would have opted out and tested the free agent market.

Post #4 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:11 am

I think he definitely would have opted out. The Suns obviously didn't "value" him enough (max contract-wise) or so he thought, and he was obviously unhappy playing 2nd or 3rd fiddle behind Nash and Amare so I think he would've definitely walked. He would've stayed a Sun if it weren't for his prima-donna attitude and ego.

RunDogGun · Post #5 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:47 pm

I don't think he would have opted out. He knew that his best chance to get the numbers he was getting was to stay in a system like ours. And after playing with Nash, he knew that his numbers would not look as good without Nash. It was a bluff, Suns called that bluff, and Marion has been on three teams since leaving here. And his three point shooting has gone from 30+% in PHX to now 15.8% (Dallas last year).

If we had traded Amare for KG, we would not have heard a word from Marion about wanting a trade, in my honest opinion.

nashrambler13 · Post #6 » by **nashrambler13** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:37 pm

Shawn Marion for KG.... *sigh*

The Diesel · Post #7 » by **The Diesel** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:54 pm

Wasn't the Garnett trade all but done until Marion killed the deal by refusing to go to Boston?

If that trade went through, the Suns would have a championship by now.

The bottom line is that Marion acted like a big baby during his final season with the team; first, he gets angry that the Suns tried to trade him for a future Hall of Famer and then he gets mad when he doesn't get a max contract.

He had to settle for 7 million a year from Dallas just one season after demanding 20 million a year from the Suns. Just goes to show you how much he has fallen off since leaving the Suns.

Kerr made the right choice by not giving him a max contract and Marion doesn't even start for the Mavericks anymore.

He is probably the most over-rated player in the NBA.

Not only did Marion force his way out of Phoenix, he ripped the Heat after he left by blaming his lack of impact on their "boring offense" and accusing them of losing games on purpose during his first year with the team.

I think the Suns made the right choice by trading him.

Sun Scorched · Post #8 » by **Sun Scorched** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:44 pm

The Diesel wrote:Wasn't the Garnett trade all but done until Marion killed the deal by refusing to go to Boston?

If that trade went through, the Suns would have a championship by now.

I thought that was when KG was still with Minny. We offered Marion, Minny considered but then asked for Stoudemire instead... then KG said he wanted to come to PHX in order to play WITH Amare... and it never went through.... sigh...

Everyone seems to forget that we unloaded Banks' contract along with Marion. That was a nice plus.

RunDogGun · Post #9 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:07 pm

Sun Scorched wrote:
The Diesel wrote:Wasn't the Garnett trade all but done until Marion killed the deal by refusing to go to Boston?

If that trade went through, the Suns would have a championship by now.

I thought that was when KG was still with Minny. We offered Marion, Minny considered but then asked for Stoudemire instead... then KG said he wanted to come to PHX in order to play WITH Amare... and it never went through.... sigh...

Everyone seems to forget that we unloaded Banks' contract along with Marion. That was a nice plus.

Banks contract wasn't horrible. It wasn't good because our moronic coach/gm chose not to play him. When Banks got burn, he did an ok job. Maybe not worth $4 million, but close. Again the problem was D'Antoni jumping too soon at Banks, and to add insult to injury, never giving him any time on the floor to develop his own identity. Plus he wouldn't even use him for his defensive abilities, but instead opted for playing guys 35+ minutes (speaking about the time Boris and Amare were suspended.)

raff · Post #10 » by **raff** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:34 pm

nashrambler13 wrote:Shawn Marion for KG.... *sigh*

When we were discussing this years ago, I remember thinking, "no way, trading marion or amare". How misguided.

phx#7 · Post #11 » by **phx#7** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:43 pm

Of course he wouldn't have opted out, just like he didn't with Miami(who obviously had no real attachment to him). The amount of money he was making in that final year was just too much and by the time he had to decide whether to opt out or not it was painfully obvious he wasn't going to get near that much.

Mr. Sun · Post #12 » by **Mr. Sun** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:29 am

How much did he end up making after his contract expired?

nashrambler13 · Post #13 » by **nashrambler13** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:00 am

raff wrote:
nashrambler13 wrote:Shawn Marion for KG.... *sigh*

When we were discussing this years ago, I remember thinking, "no way, trading marion or amare". How misguided.

I actually loved Marion for KG, hated STAT for KG... and I have an intense hatred for the guy. Plus, I don't even think his stats would've dropped off much, even with Amar'e. He would've at least replaced what Marion did (16/11) but added assists. And then the fact that hes a better player than Marion... and then the Nash effect...

Nash: 17-3-13
Amar'e: 23-9-2
KG: 22-13-4

*tear*

Scouta · Post #14 » by **Scouta** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:43 am

RunDogGun wrote:
Sun Scorched wrote:
The Diesel wrote:Wasn't the Garnett trade all but done until Marion killed the deal by refusing to go to Boston?

If that trade went through, the Suns would have a championship by now.

I thought that was when KG was still with Minny. We offered Marion, Minny considered but then asked for Stoudemire instead... then KG said he wanted to come to PHX in order to play WITH Amare... and it never went through.... sigh...

Everyone seems to forget that we unloaded Banks' contract along with Marion. That was a nice plus.

Banks contract wasn't horrible. It wasn't good because our moronic coach/gm chose not to play him. When Banks got burn, he did an ok job. Maybe not worth $4 million, but close. Again the problem was D'Antoni jumping too soon at Banks, and to add insult to injury, never giving him any time on the floor to develop his own identity. Plus he wouldn't even use him for his defensive abilities, but instead opted for playing guys 35+ minutes (speaking about the time Boris and Amare were suspended.)

nice, im glad im not one of the only one people who think he is not a scrub. I'm really hoping Calderon gets traded, and if it isnt possible, Banks getting more minutes than him in Toronto.

WTFsunsFTW · Post #15 » by **WTFsunsFTW** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:10 am

His agent would have never let him opt out of that contract.

The Diesel · Post #16 » by **The Diesel** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:33 am

I'm not sure Marion's agent wouldn't have let him opt-out considering that it was reported - if I remember correctly - that when the KG trade talks were going on, Marion let it be known to Minnesota and Boston that he wouldn't sign an extension and he would opt-out after the 2007-2008 season and leave because he didn't want to go the Timberwolves or Celtics.

To me, these are the reasons that Marion was probably traded.

- D'Antoni and Nash were reportedly fed-up with dealing with his attitude and unhappiness.

- Marion's trade demand.

- The risk of him leaving for nothing at the end of the season.

- The team's terrible record against the elite teams in the West before the Shaq trade. (2-7)

- Struggling against teams with size.

Obviously the Shaq trade didn't work out, but it had NOTHING to do with him being a bad player because he was a GREAT player during the 2008-2009 season which was ruined by Terry Porter.

Marion was absolute garbage with the Miami Heat and he is coming off the bench for the Mavericks now.

Still think you were worth a max contract, Marion?

RunSunRun · Post #17 » by **RunSunRun** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:41 am

If the Suns didn't have bad luck with pretty much everything, they would have no luck at all,