Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?

[shrink]

I think contraction may be a big bluff, but if it were to happen, how would it works? Anyone know how this is handled in other sports?

It seems to me that it's a particularly scary prospect for league parity in the NBA, where a superstar (like Chris Paul) is so much more valuable than just a "good" player (Casspi). Obviously the worst teams should get the first choices, but they also get first draft picks too. Maybe if they are redistributed in the off-season (though who pays them if it isn't?), a team could use its draft pick to choose someone from the draft, or pick up the contract of a player in the redistribution pool?

Anyone given redistibution much thought, and have ideas on how to minimize unfairness?

[Klomp]

I think contraction may be a big bluff, but if it were to happen, how would it works? Anyone know how this is handled in other sports?

It seems to me that it's a particularly scary prospect for league parity in the NBA, where a superstar (like Chris Paul) is so much more valuable than just a "good" player (Casspi). Obviously the worst teams should get the first choices, but they also get first draft picks too. Maybe if they are redistributed in the off-season (though who pays them if it isn't?), a team could use its draft pick to choose someone from the draft, or pick up the contract of a player in the redistribution pool?

Anyone given redistibution much thought, and have ideas on how to minimize unfairness?

In 2007, the WNBA had a dispersal draft after the Charlotte Sting folded:

The first phase, held January 8, 2007 via conference call, was a dispersal draft from the roster of the Charlotte Sting, which folded on January 3rd.[1] This was the first dispersal draft since before the 2004 season, after the Cleveland Rockers folded.[2] The teams selected in inverse order of their 2006 won-loss record, without regard to the results of the WNBA draft lottery. All Sting players were available except for unrestricted free agents Allison Feaster and Tammy Sutton-Brown.[2]

[shrink]

Thanks Klomp. Sadly, this could be MIN's best chance ever to get a superstar.

[Tha Juice]

I haven't really given it much thought myself but I think the only way to make it fair to every team in the NBA is to have the team use its draft pick to choose someone from either the draft pool or pick up the contract of a player in the redistribution pool as you mentioned.

I can't see Stern allowing a team to have a lottery pick and the being able to draft a redistribution player. It would be interesting to see how that would change things around the NBA but won't happen.

[Klomp]

I haven't really given it much thought myself but I think the only way to make it fair to every team in the NBA is to have the team use its draft pick to choose someone from either the draft pool or pick up the contract of a player in the redistribution pool as you mentioned.

I can't see Stern allowing a team to have a lottery pick and the being able to draft a redistribution player. It would be interesting to see how that would change things around the NBA but won't happen.

That is definitely an interesting proposition.

[Busch Legion]

Interesting. I wonder how salary would work along the lines of teams selecting players.

[jade_hippo]

I don't see how a dispersal draft going in reverse order isn't fair? David Stern would love something like that. A really bad team instantly becomes relevant again. Its a chance for the NBA as a whole to become more competitive. giving Paul and Tyreke Evans to the Lakers and Heat because the Raptors are getting Harrison Barnes isn't exactly fair either.

[shrink]

But if a team was the worst in 2011, should they get both Harrison Barnes AND Chris Paul?

I think if they do it at draft time, having one choice whether to draft from that pool or the typical draft pool, is the way to go. It might be interesting to see the order, and how different teams (with different salary constraints) may pick differently.

If they had a lockout, and contracted and came back for half a season, I'm not sure how they assign players without using draft picks? Those players will want to be paid, and not have to wait until the end of the year just because their team contracted.

[younggunsmn]

Dispersal draft would certainly change the fortunes of a couple of lucky teams.

There also would be very interesting salary cap implications for players with existing contracts.
What happens if the team with the #1 pick in a dispersal draft is over the cap, lux, or a new proposed hard cap and can't absorb the salary of a CP3 without violating the CBA? Does the league institute a one-time dispersal draft salary waiver or is that team SOL?

Even if you do a dispersal draft you have to honor the existing contracts of the players on the folded teams or you run into all kinds of legal issues. But what happens when no team wants to take on emeka okafor or beno udrih?

I think it's all a bunch of chest-thumping and smoke blowing at this point and contraction isn't a serious option. I think in the end the players end up settling for a significant cut in their share of gross revenue, and max contract length will be shorter, but the existing cap and lux tax system stay in place. So the cap and lux tax levels will probably fall quite a bit next year.

[cpfsf]

I agree with juice

You make the call, either Barnes or an NBA superstar.

WIth that said, I don't believe these rumors at all.

[funkatron101]

But if a team was the worst in 2011, should they get both Harrison Barnes AND Chris Paul?

Which again makes me push for the idea of a 3 season sample size to help determine the lottery.

[shangrila]

I'd imagine it'd be the opposite of what they did with Charlotte a few years back.

Personally, I'd probably do a full 30 team lottery but with the worst teams with a higher percentage to win it then the better teams, just like the lottery is now. Could a good team like the Lakers or HEAT end up with Paul? Maybe, but the odds would be slim.

Either way I like it better then tying it into the draft. The draft is all about bringing new players in to the NBA, throwing in veterans just seems stupid.

[cpfsf]

What about picks that are owed?

[shrink]

But if a team was the worst in 2011, should they get both Harrison Barnes AND Chris Paul?

Which again makes me push for the idea of a 3 season sample size to help determine the lottery.

So was anyone else curious about that ranking?

Over the last three years, we were the worst team in the league for wins .. by a lot.

Code: Select all

# TEAM    08   09   10   TOT   AVE
1. MIN   22   24   15      61   20
2. LAC   23   19   29      71   24
3. NJN   34   34   12      80   27
4. SAC   38   17   25      80   27
5. NYK   23   32   29      84   28
6. MEM   22   24   40      86   29
7. WAS   43   19   26      88   29
8. OKC   20   23   50      93   31
9. GSW   48   29   26      103   34
10 IND   36   36   32      104   35
11 MIA   15   43   47      105   35
12 MIL   26   34   46      106   35
13 PHI   40   41   27      108   36
14 CHA   32   35   44      111   37
15 TOR   41   33   40      114   38
16 CHI   33   41   41      115   38
17 DET   59   39   27      125   42
18 ATL   37   47   53      137   46
19 NOH   56   49   37      142   47
20 POR   41   54   50      145   48
21 HOU   55   53   42      150   50
22 UTA   54   48   53      155   52
23 PHO   55   46   54      155   52
24 DAL   51   50   55      156   52
25 DEN   50   54   53      157   52
26 SAS   56   54   50      160   53
27 ORL   52   59   59      170   57
28 CLE   45   66   61      172   57
29 BOS   66   62   50      178   59
30 LAL   57   65   57      179   60

[Vindicater]

So lets say its the Kings and Hornets who go.

Would we take Paul or Evans? Pauls the best player in the discussion but Evans is also dominant and only going to get better and is suited to a position we need to improve (2 spot).

I take Paul because he is a proven superstar and winner but its an interesting one.

Also, cpfsf has a good question? What happens to picks owed by these teams. Hornets just traded a future 1st for Bayliss... how does that work for the Trailblazers if the hornets are dropped? Do the NBA simply give them an extra pick at the end of the 1st round for one year?

[jade_hippo]

there is precident of awarding extra draft picks to teams for various reasons (and taking away.) I think they would just be awarded the last choice in the round of the pick.

[Krapinsky]

Gut drunk and missed the draft. Autodraft with yahoo rankings. Krap FTL.

[Breakdown777]

Gut drunk and missed the draft. Autodraft with yahoo rankings. Krap FTL.

I think this is in the wrong place.

[C.lupus]

Krap FTL.

[revprodeji]

My understanding is there would be a distribution draft. Worst team first. It would not interfere with the amateur draft.

Of course, this is just speculation.