What's the difference between Andersen and Bargnani?

[CB4Champ]

Man people be Easy with this comparison.

I like David and I hope he has a breakout season for us, but Bargs has way more tools then he does.

Bargs has a quickness that Andersen only can dream about. Yes I like Davids postups but really people Bargs a Legit player who even though some my say he is worthless(Not me) has posted 17 ppg in the Association.

To end All I will say is Do Dat Dey Bargs and Andersen

[Mascot]

Bargnani makes 10 million a year and Andersen makes 2 million a year is about the biggest difference.

[SkywalkerAC]

what's interesting is that it looks like Anderson has somehow managed to earn a spot in the rotation for opening night. he is a little more rugged than Andrea and he can knock down shots so until Ed Davis can play we will be seeing Anderson getting minutes.

[raptorforlife88]

I love this forum. Apparently it's possible to base everything on 8 pre-season games, as opposed to a full year of performance from each. But hey let's ignore that offensively Bargnani was pretty good last year, and he's not likely to shoot 30% from the field.

But more than that, let's forget that David Andersen was given away by Houston. Who shot 43% last year, and couldn't get big minutes on a team that had a big rotation of Scola, 52 games of Landry's, and most importantly Chuck Hayes at center. Could not get more than 14 minutes a game. But let's forget that and pretend that he's close to as good as Andrea.

[Basketball_Jones]

Andersen is better. That's the main difference.

[MEDIC]

I'm not going to say that Anderson is more talented than Bargnani because he's not. When Bargnani bring his "A game", he looks like a legit allstar.

Having said that, I've liked what I've seen in preseason much more from Anderson than Bargnani. Anderson hustles, tries hard to get rebounds, tries to cut his man off defensively in order to draw charges, & has been hitting his jumper.

In my books..........you can have all of the talent in the world, but if you don't try to do the basic hustle things in basketball that help win games, you're a bad teammate & a selfish player.

If guys like Kobe, Jordan & Shaq aren't above diving for balls, fighting for rebounds & fighting through screens, then nobody should be above that kind of effort. These guys were the best basketball players in the history of the game & they were an example to their teammates in regards to hustle & effort plays.

[vjkid]

andrea is much better shotblocker and a lot more finetuned offensively, plus a better postgame

[Indeed]

These threads are getting crazier and crazier, Bargnani is a VERY good player, bad rebounder for a 7 footer yes. But he is a very good player nonetheless.

I don't understand what this crazy hate is all about.

He is always going to have a deficiency in rebounding, and probably in help defence too but i mean seriously...are you guys for real?

I always new this board was as bi-polar as it gets, but to be trashing a guy like this before the regular season even starts, is bananas. Maybe colangelo should trade him... other teams fans might appreciate a 7 footer who can shoot the three, and take the ball to the basket consistently.

he's been averaging like 17 pts the last three preseason games, in about 26/27 minutes, thats almsot 10 minutes less playing time than he averaged all last year.

Fans favours blue collar players, and Bargnani plays too cautiously, he needs to be smarter and cheats when he needs to. Too much of a text-book player, where it doesn't fit into the American culture.

[Indeed]

Man people be Easy with this comparison.

I like David and I hope he has a breakout season for us, but Bargs has way more tools then he does.

Bargs has a quickness that Andersen only can dream about. Yes I like Davids postups but really people Bargs a Legit player who even though some my say he is worthless(Not me) has posted 17 ppg in the Association.

To end All I will say is Do Dat Dey Bargs and Andersen

I like Andersen's postups, more moves and know how to use his upper body.
But I think Bargnani made more field goals and draw more double teams than Andersen, his fade away (without knowing how to use his backside shoulder to get more space) still makes the shot.

Result: Bargnani
Look: Andersen
Your choice.

[raptorforlife88]

People, it's possible appreciate what Andersen's shown in the preseason. He hustles, but seriously, Houston paid us money to take him for a reason. He's not that good, and certainly not as good as Bargnani. Again he barely broke into Houston's mediocre rotation of bigs last year.

[sanity]

In my books..........you can have all of the talent in the world, but if you don't try to do the basic hustle things in basketball that help win games, you're a bad teammate & a selfish player.

I thoroughly agree with that, which makes me see Anderson as a better player right now.

Obviously things will change. Both players will have good/bad games, but the onus is entirely on Bargnani to improve. Anderson really doesn't have to do anything more than what he's brought this preseason. He may have taken a shot early in the clock here and there, but the thing I respect about him is he doesn't hesitate. 95% of those shots he takes are wide open. Its the exact way Bargs should be playing on offense... but doesn't for whatever reason, which is infuriating.

[HighOctane]

The hate by the raptors fans on bargnani is quite ridiculous.

The view on his 'potential' rivals this quite closely.

[roundhead0]

Has anyone else noticed how heavily Andersen perspires? I wonder if he's just a heavy sweater, or if there are endurance issues. To work up that sort of sweat he must have been playing very hard, which is to be expected given his situation.

[WestCoastCoach]

Andersen reminds me more of Garbo than Hump. A non-athletic, stretch the defense big, who seems to have the court sense to be in the right place at the right time on D. He's got a good feel for the game it seems.

Bargs has more talent in his little finger...but still looks lost and disinterested too often for my liking.

[Landomar]

In general, I think Bargnani is a more talented overall scorer than Andersen, but at a similar level in terms of defense, rebounding, passing, etc. Andersen is actually a slightly better rebounder and energy guy than Bargs, but what center isn't?

I do think that Bargnani is a more valuable player than Andersen, but the difference isn't that big. I'd say Bargnani is farther behind a guy like Kevin Love than Andersen is behind Bargs.

[Volcano]

Andersen's a big scrub and Bargs probably has more value because he's younger and was a former number 1 pick, but that doesn't mean Barg's impact on the game is far off.

Bargnani's offense is his jumpshot, which isn't always there.

He can drive by players, but isn't effective once he gets by his first man and he isn't a great finisher. He has pump fakes where he steps in for a shot (or drives), but he hits those shots at a low percentage. His post game is his best asset if we're looking at him creating his own offense..and it's below average. Using him as an offensive option doesn't help us that much. A lot of time, it even hurts our offense. He's most useful when you use him as a shooter to stretch the D. But guess what, there are hundreds of shooters in the league that are good at other things.

Even though he has some man D, he doesn't rebound, doesn't protect the paint and doesn't challenge shots unless the opponent runs right in front of him. He's one of the worst in the league in terms of playing like a big man, making him a huge liability on defense. Most of the time anyways. So every game we already start with a disadvantage.

In other words, he's an oversized Kapono. It's funny, because Sam Mitchell loved guys who made shats, but even he realized that it wasn't enough for Bargs to be just a mediocre shooter. Bargnani lovers need to learn some basketball. The game isn't just about taking lots of shats.

People, it's possible appreciate what Andersen's shown in the preseason. He hustles, but seriously, Houston paid us money to take him for a reason. He's not that good, and certainly not as good as Bargnani. Again he barely broke into Houston's mediocre rotation of bigs last year.

Houston were two games better than us in the West without an all-star last year. They'd probably be worse if you gave Bargs minutes on that team.

[DonYon]

The main difference I think is Andrea's physical tools, mainly his quickness.

[Throwback24]

Bargnani is a tiny bit more agile on his feet.

[Shevy]

The only difference is that Bargniani makes 10 mil a yeal.

[redred9]

The main difference I think is Andrea's physical tools, mainly his quickness.

this. And it's not even close. You guys saw some ok games from Andersen when I doubt the opposing team even game planned him (I best most coaches didn't know he played for the Raptors, and barely know who he is). Andersen is flat footed, won't finish at the rim, can't block shots.. his fadeaway is pretty much all he's got in close quarters. Once you scout that, he's reduced to hitting open jumpers.

It's not really close, and I've seen Andersen play for years before this (hell I watched him as a rookie in the Australian league )

Having said that, he's a nice 4th big to have. Bargnani has it all over Andersen physically, it's Bargs' mental game that is the great problem. It'd be nice if Bargnani brought the same attitude to the game that Andersen has.

As it is I could see Bargs doing anything from helping carry our team to an overacheiving record this season, to ending up in Triano's dog house Darius Miles-style. It's really up to him.