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Post#1 » by Kerrsed » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:32 am

Oct 24, 2010 - The Phoenix Suns are just a few days from kicking off the 2010-11 NBA season and would certainly like to be more prepared for the coming campaign. They are not. The phrases being thrown around just two days before Game 1 of the NBA regular season are things like "long ways to go" and "work in progress".

"To be honest, if I was outside this picture and a betting man, I would probably pick us to be outside of the playoffs considering all the changes and the new guys," team leader Steve Nash said after Sunday's team practice.

Emotional compass, Jared Dudley, says that while guys are excited about getting started, there are question marks about the on-court chemistry.

It's more than just adjusting to Hedo Turkoglu and Hakim Warrick playing the power forward position and Josh Childress playing the wing with the second unit. Dudley said that even Channing Frye surprised him by rolling to the basket on a pick and roll, something Jared claimed to have never seen before.

"Hopefully, in the next five to ten games we can get everyone's role set and head to a positive direction," Jared said.

Off the court, Dudley said the team gets along fine but, so far, it is a quieter team. Warrick, Turkoglu and Childress are less vocal than Leandro Barbosa and Amare Stoudemire but that could all change with more time together and winning.

"Once you win chemistry just explodes and everyone loves each other and you have more fun."

The problem, according to Steve Nash, is that winning might be a long ways off. Nash was particularly frustrated with the process of going from a team he felt was very close to winning an NBA Championship to essentially starting over again.

"I spent four months this summer and a month this training camp feeling like I'm trying to get to the top," Nash said.

"It's hard as a competitor to convince yourself every day all summer and then through the preseason that you're going to get back to where you were and hopefully take the next step, and then you realize that camp is starting all over again and it's not quite as linear as you made it out to yourself all summer."

Nash was quite clear that this version of the Suns have not played well and are not sure who they are right now. He feels the team is a long way from reaching their potential. It's that adjustment from feeling like he was close to a ring to realizing just how much work there is to do that is on his mind.

"Maybe we need to take a step back, regroup, be a little bit more patient, build a really good team and see how good we can be later in the year instead of jumping out of the gate and be like, 'oh, we've got to finish top two or three in the West and give ourselves a chance to win the West and go to the finals.' That stuff can come if we really improve, but we can't put that type of pressure on ourselves right away because we are a new team."

The reality, as Nash sees it, is that the Suns have a lot of work to do before they can start worrying about end product and results beyond improving every day.

Coach Alvin Gentry agrees that the Suns have been a disappointment this preseason. There have been moments of solid play from his starters, but the second unit has not done a good job holding leads and that's an area of concern.

"We have to try to put back the chemistry that we had and we've got to perform on the court and we haven't performed on the court this preseason. It hasn't been a good preseason," Gentry said, adding that it will take some time before he really knows what this team is about. It's the same thing he said at the beginning of last season when he asked for 40 games to evaluate the Suns and after the 40th said he needed 20 more.

The chemistry that the Suns bragged so much about late last season didn't really develop until the team went through two months of sub-.500 basketball and managed to stay together as a group. That hardship might come sooner this season given the tough early schedule and how uncertain things stand.

The rotations and combinations are still not set according to Gentry and while the starting unit is going to be the Nash, Hill, Richardson, Lopez, and Turkoglu group that we've seen, there's room for changes there as well. Gentry said that Turkoglu will begin the season as a starter but left the door wide open for a change if he feels that they would be better off with someone else starting.

Even the new front office team of Lance Blanks and Lon Babby isn't satisfied with where the roster stands. Blanks confirmed reports from Hoops World that Stephane Lasme worked out with Phoenix this weekend. Lasme, a 6-foot-7 forward was recently waived by the Boston Celtics. He's considered to be an energetic, physical player which would indicate the Suns are missing what Louis Amundson brought to the team last year and aren't ready to turn that role over to rookie Gani Lawal.

Blanks said the team has worked out other players as well although declined to name them. The Suns GM also confirmed they are still waiting on a decision from veteran center Erick Dampier and the decision rests with him. Asked if there was a need for Dampier to make a decision soon, Blanks indicated that he wasn't necessarily demanding an immediate answer.

The fact that the Suns are actively pursuing physical big men to add to what's already considered a deep roster only reinforces what the team has been saying all summer about the size and rebounding weaknesses.

"We're small. We don't really have a classic four (power forward)," Steve Nash said. "We've got to overcome that in a lot of different ways and that takes a lot of time, chemistry and understanding. We're not going to have that at this point in the season."

But Nash of course, was also positive and made it clear that he expects his team to perform despite their current deficiencies.

"We've got a ways to go on everything but having said that, I expect us to go out and give ourselves a chance to win every night. If we play hard and we play smart and play together, there's no reason why we can't scrap our way to some wins and to giving ourself a chance to win almost every night."


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Post#2 » by Nando88 » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:34 am

if nash asks to be traded... if i'm the suns i call new york asap for Felton and randolph (if he hasn't been traded for melo)

d'antoni would do ANYTHING to have his golden child back
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Post#3 » by Jimmy76 » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:42 am

Nando88 wrote:if nash asks to be traded... if i'm the suns i call new york asap for Felton and randolph (if he hasn't been traded for melo)

d'antoni would do ANYTHING to have his golden child back

**** that

Send him to the Magic for Anderson, Redick, and two 1sts give him a real shot at a ring
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Post#4 » by Kerrsed » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:48 am

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Nando88 wrote:if nash asks to be traded... if i'm the suns i call new york asap for Felton and randolph (if he hasn't been traded for melo)

d'antoni would do ANYTHING to have his golden child back

**** that

Send him to the Magic for Anderson, Redick, and two 1sts give him a real shot at a ring


Check this trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24jyx7o

Suns +24 wins!
Magic +19 wins!

Helps both teams

Nash/Hill for Nelson/Gortat/Anderson/Orton and maybe a pick.

Nash/VC/Hill/Lewis/Howard FTW! That would be a ring and put MIA in their place.

Nelson/Dragic
Richardson/Dudley/Janning
Turk/Childress
Frye/Anderson/Warrick/Lawal
Lopez/Gortat/Orton

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Post#5 » by TheMan44 » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:50 am

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Even the new front office team of Lance Blanks and Lon Babby isn't satisfied with where the roster stands. Blanks confirmed reports from Hoops World that Stephane Lasme worked out with Phoenix this weekend. Lasme, a 6-foot-7 forward was recently waived by the Boston Celtics. He's considered to be an energetic, physical player which would indicate the Suns are missing what Louis Amundson brought to the team last year and aren't ready to turn that role over to rookie Gani Lawal.

Blanks said the team has worked out other players as well although declined to name them. The Suns GM also confirmed they are still waiting on a decision from veteran center Erick Dampier and the decision rests with him. Asked if there was a need for Dampier to make a decision soon, Blanks indicated that he wasn't necessarily demanding an immediate answer.


Very interesting.

So if they are considering bringing in a new defensive big man (Lasme, Barron, Dampier) to fill the void of backup power forward Lou Amundson, what is current backup power forward Hakim Warrick's role going to be?

I have a feeling this organization is highly regretting putting Hedo at power forward and are trying to bring him back down to small forward.

I would not be surprised to see Dudley not get any play time once Josh returns from injury if indeed Suns get a new PF/C that allows Hedo to slide back down to SF.
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Post#6 » by JasonDaPsycho » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:51 am

Send him to the Magic so I can cream myself.
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Post#7 » by RunSunRun » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:24 am

Well, if even Nash has little faith in this team, I got a feeling we may be in for a disappointing season. If we could have just kept Amare and added Turk, I think we would have been right back in the playoff mix, but with all these new guys, I just don't think the chemistry will develop. The difference last year was that chemistry was an issue with a bunch of rookies and bench players, this year we have new starters and vets, not going to be easy to develop that chemistry.

I seriously feel bad for Nash, it has to be so disappointing going from what he felt was a championship contender to a lottery team.

And why do I have a gut feeling the Lakers would seriously make a move for Nash, I feel sick just typing that.
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Post#8 » by Jdiddy701 » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:42 am

If Suns end up looking dead by February, I say we trade Nash to either Heat, Magic, or LA.

He deserves a chance before his career is over.
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Post#9 » by Kerrsed » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:45 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:If Suns end up looking dead by February, I say we trade Nash to either Heat, Magic, or LA.

He deserves a chance before his career is over.


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Post#10 » by Nando88 » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:48 am

Kerrsed wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:If Suns end up looking dead by February, I say we trade Nash to either Heat, Magic, or LA.

He deserves a chance before his career is over.


Magic all the way!


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Post#11 » by nashill » Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:04 am

I dont have faith in warrick, he look soft mentaly. Hedo has regressed... Rebounding has not been addressed...our strength (2nd unit) has not shown chemistry, the pesky defense aint there anymore.
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Post#12 » by Calvin Klein » Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:08 am

I hate the trade Nash idea. Any of it. But NY would be so stupid. For both parts. Again. Why would NY want a washed up/older/less talented SSOL team?

For us, Felton would only delay Dragic's development and he is not worth that. And Randolph hasn't shown anything and is looking like he will not be what everybody was hoping he would.
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Post#13 » by Kerrsed » Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:12 am

Calvin Klein wrote:I hate the trade Nash idea. Any of it. But NY would be so stupid. For both parts. Again. Why would NY want a washed up/older/less talented SSOL team?

For us, Felton would only delay Dragic's development and he is not worth that. And Randolph hasn't shown anything and is looking like he will not be what everybody was hoping he would.


I agree, the NY trade sucks, but the Orlando one on the otherhand...........
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Post#14 » by raff » Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:19 am

Dudley said that even Channing Frye surprised him by rolling to the basket on a pick and roll, something Jared claimed to have never seen before.


Wow, we only yelled and screamed this all last season.

Nash's place in this team is that he truly is our leader. It's a little sad that he's thinking this as the season starts.

RunSunRun wrote:Well, if even Nash has little faith in this team, I got a feeling we may be in for a disappointing season. If we could have just kept Amare and added Turk, I think we would have been right back in the playoff mix, but with all these new guys, I just don't think the chemistry will develop.


Wasn't this the initial intention anyway before Amare left?

Either way, seems like we may seem something happening. If we leave the team the way it is, and try and compensate our lack of a true 4, there'll probably come a time where the team has to try and move some pieces. In the long run, it'll be difficult to keep it up all season.
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Post#15 » by Jimmy76 » Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:27 am

If this all leads us to getting a real 4, a gritty defensive rebounding 4, then I'll live with this offseason

Richardson for a Haslem type would be great

Let me say that even if we lose our first three games as long as we look good and they're relatively close we shouldn't panic until we're like 0-10 and losing to mediocre teams
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Post#16 » by grumpysaddle » Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:37 am

I think I might stop coming to this board for a while... I'm sick of all the broken records. I'm sick of all the pessimism. I'm sick of people linking articles with twisted statements/stats that only support their argument. Nash always says what's on his mind... he didn't sound frustrated to me, he sounded like he was being realistic. The Suns live off of being the underdog. He's taking pressure off the team to win win win right away so that in the event that they don't at first, they won't give up, and will stick together to build that chemistry they need. There's enough $@#% in life that's a bummer... I don't need to read everyone spewing the same stupid bile.
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Post#17 » by Jimmy76 » Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:41 am

grumpysaddle wrote:I think I might stop coming to this board for a while... I'm sick of all the broken records. I'm sick of all the pessimism. I'm sick of people linking articles with twisted statements/stats that only support their argument. Nash always says what's on his mind... he didn't sound frustrated to me, he sounded like he was being realistic. The Suns live off of being the underdog. He's taking pressure off the team to win win win right away so that in the event that they don't at first, they won't give up, and will stick together to build that chemistry they need. There's enough $@#% in life that's a bummer... I don't need to read everyone spewing the same stupid bile.

We just need the regular season to start

Too much anticipation and emotion built up with nowhere to go and we're incapable of being between wildly optimistic and pessimistic

We beat Portland this whole thing flips
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Post#18 » by grumpysaddle » Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:00 am

I think the part that's bugging me is that people from other boards are coming here to spew the same bile, and then people from this board buy into it all. Why do fans of other teams have to give their stupid, trolling opinion in the first place. I'm one of the more optimistic ones around here and I have the word "grumpy" in my username. :/
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Post#19 » by BurningHeart » Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:38 am

grumpysaddle wrote:I think I might stop coming to this board for a while... I'm sick of all the broken records. I'm sick of all the pessimism. I'm sick of people linking articles with twisted statements/stats that only support their argument. Nash always says what's on his mind... he didn't sound frustrated to me, he sounded like he was being realistic. The Suns live off of being the underdog. He's taking pressure off the team to win win win right away so that in the event that they don't at first, they won't give up, and will stick together to build that chemistry they need. There's enough $@#% in life that's a bummer... I don't need to read everyone spewing the same stupid bile.


Agreed.

Trade him to LA if we're not contending in February? LA?!, as in the **** LAKERS?

What kind of Suns fan would want us to trade STEVE NASH to the **** LAKERS.

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.......
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Post#20 » by Jdiddy701 » Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:14 am

BurningHeart wrote:
grumpysaddle wrote:I think I might stop coming to this board for a while... I'm sick of all the broken records. I'm sick of all the pessimism. I'm sick of people linking articles with twisted statements/stats that only support their argument. Nash always says what's on his mind... he didn't sound frustrated to me, he sounded like he was being realistic. The Suns live off of being the underdog. He's taking pressure off the team to win win win right away so that in the event that they don't at first, they won't give up, and will stick together to build that chemistry they need. There's enough $@#% in life that's a bummer... I don't need to read everyone spewing the same stupid bile.


Agreed.

Trade him to LA if we're not contending in February? LA?!, as in the **** LAKERS?

What kind of Suns fan would want us to trade STEVE NASH to the **** LAKERS.

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.......


A fan that's watched Nash play with this team for 6 years. 6 years of failing must hurt him, like it's hurt us. Don't get me wrong, I would kill myself before Nash is a Laker, but to see him win a ring will be amazing. I just want to see him lift that trophy in the air, just one time. He deserves it.

To see him win one with Phoenix would be beautiful, but let's be realistic, we gave up when Amare left. I guess we'll find out this season if Nash is truly God. :D

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