What's the difference between Andersen and Bargnani?

Jose_Matador · Post #41 » by **Jose_Matador** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:47 am

Bargs has better foot work... also people have gotten this weird misconception that Bargnani is athletic...

he is not athletic, he has a respected jump shot that allows him to get past slower bigs, which makes him seem more mobile and quick.

Post #42 » by **darth_federer** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:48 am

This is exactly the kind of topic that will set off a debate. Its a ridiculous comparison no matter how you slice it. Bargnani is going to have a great game soon and this thread will become a pissing contest.

supaSPED · Post #43 » by **supaSPED** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:52 am

andrea was a first overall pick? pretty much it

simmons21 · Post #44 » by **simmons21** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:57 am

Guys I hear this Will Solomon character is quite the player, he was better than kobe in preseason so Solomon >>>>>>>>>>>kobe. i think we can all agree on that.

redred9 · Post #45 » by **redred9** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:58 am

Jose_Matador wrote:Bargs has better foot work... also people have gotten this weird misconception that Bargnani is athletic...

he is not athletic, he has a respected jump shot that allows him to get past slower bigs, which makes him seem more mobile and quick.

If talking in comparison to Big Dave Andersen, Bargnani is freakin athletic. I've seen a lot of Andersen believe me.

sanity · Post #46 » by **sanity** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:07 am

Meh. Anderson knows his limitations so you'll rarely see him attempt somthing stupid with the ball off a dribble. Bargs' problem is that he underestimates himself and overestimates the defense infront of him. Not many people can stay on him from 12' out, which he can exploit like crazy, but opts for giving it up most of the time

jwood255 · Post #47 » by **jwood255** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:25 am

redred9 wrote:If talking in comparison to Big Dave Andersen, Bargnani is freakin athletic. I've seen a lot of Andersen believe me.

Is that why you call him Big Dave?

whoknows · Post #48 » by **whoknows** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:27 am

if you have to ask...

redred9 · Post #49 » by **redred9** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:27 am

jwood255 wrote:
redred9 wrote:If talking in comparison to Big Dave Andersen, Bargnani is freakin athletic. I've seen a lot of Andersen believe me.

Is that why you call him Big Dave?

well played

MEDIC · Post #50 » by **MEDIC** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:33 am

redred9 wrote:
jwood255 wrote:
redred9 wrote:If talking in comparison to Big Dave Andersen, Bargnani is freakin athletic. I've seen a lot of Andersen believe me.

Is that why you call him Big Dave?

well played

Of course it's well played.

It's comin from a guy with the user name j"wood". He knows a thing or two about solid lumber....

Too Late Crew · Post #51 » by **Too Late Crew** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:35 am

Andersen is nothing special. BUT he looks so much better whan compared to Bargs becuase he does "center things" like rebounding and help D SOOOO much better than Bargs while still actually being quite average at those things.

Its more of a sad commentary on just how bad Bargs is at "center things" than it is any endorment of Andersen. I mean when a guy who's at best a 3rd string center on most teams is actually better by a large margin at certain important things than your starting center you know you have problems.

MEDIC · Post #52 » by **MEDIC** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:46 am

I don't think it has anything to do with doing "center things". Both players are poor centers.

The biggest difference is moving your feet, having a nose for the ball, reacting to changes that occur, hustling to the right spot to grab a rebound or taking a charge.

Bargnani is just kind of slow mentally. His mind doesn't seem to react quickly enough to get his body moving for a hustle play. He is just really poor at multitasking & is always a step or two behind.

Maybe this is why Bargnani is a decent man to man defender, but a very poor help defender. When you're guarding your man, all you have to do is focus on that one thing & usually guarding big men means slow, methodical movements.

Help defense on the other hand, you need to anticipate the play before it happens & react very quickly when it does. For some reason, he just can make adjustments quickly enough.

RoleModel · Post #53 » by **RoleModel** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:49 am

MEDIC wrote:It's comin from a guy with the user name j"wood". He knows a thing or two about solid lumber....

Why can't some people just let a joke be? :noway:

Crazy-Canuck · Post #54 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:02 am

Bargs on an off night is comparable to Anderson.

Bargs on an avg or good night is not even close.

vexen · Post #55 » by **vexen** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:08 am

I don't care if Brags can shoot better, at least Andersen knows and understands how to play the center position. I say we start Andersen over Brags just to make a major statement. Brags needs to earn his minuets and as of right now I would say Brags has been one of our worst players in preseason. One thing is for sure they are both backups in this league, Brags should never start on a NBA team even on one as bad as ours.

I'm sorry to all those Brags lovers but your boy sucks my b....z

Basketball_Jones · Post #56 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:17 am

Andersen looks so fluid. He has a very unique skill set and can stretch the defense. I've never seen a big man move the way he does. Reminds me a lot of Dirk. I think he hasn't been used properly throughout his career and will be a star eventually.

Post #57 » by **darth_federer** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:28 am

Basketball_Jones wrote:Andersen looks so fluid. He has a very unique skill set and can stretch the defense. I've never seen a big man move the way he does. Reminds me a lot of Dirk. I think he hasn't been used properly throughout his career and will be a star eventually.

This is the Houston Rockets board reaction to him getting traded

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1041726

He was basically traded because it saved the Rockets 5 million in luxury tax money

Basketball_Jones · Post #58 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:32 am

I don't think he was used right in Houston. Rick Adelman was holding him back. Just kept yanking him out of the game over and over again for no reason. He just needs to be the first option and he wasn't going to be that in Houston.

sanity · Post #59 » by **sanity** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:39 am

Least that could be said about his time in Houston is that he developed (or kept) a good work ethic. He was merely a garbage time option there--and with the future investment they had in Jeffries/Hill after the trade you can't really blame them. Or it could just be that Chuck Hayes stole all his rebounds and shots.

pass first · Post #60 » by **pass first** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:43 am

darth_federer wrote:
Basketball_Jones wrote:Andersen looks so fluid. He has a very unique skill set and can stretch the defense. I've never seen a big man move the way he does. Reminds me a lot of Dirk. I think he hasn't been used properly throughout his career and will be a star eventually.

This is the Houston Rockets board reaction to him getting traded

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1041726

He was basically traded because it saved the Rockets 5 million in luxury tax money

Well that doesn't mean much if you compare it to the future thread on this board when/if Bargnani ever gets traded. :rofl: