What's the difference between Andersen and Bargnani?

TorontoRapture · Post #61 » by **TorontoRapture** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:44 am

Anderson does more of what a front-court player is supposed to do.

Lionel Messi · Post #62 » by **Lionel Messi** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:49 am

Andersen is probably actually a worse defender than Bargs.

Andersen flat out sucks. He's had a solid preseason, but he is still a horrendous defender, very unreliable offensive player and a marginal rebounder. He just tries a lot harder than Bargs.

elmer_yuck · Post #63 » by **elmer_yuck** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:00 am

I don't think Bargnani would get much playing time on Houston either.
No coach other than employees of Bryan Colangelo would put up with his horrible defense and rebounding and lack of hustle for very long.
He'd be in every team's doghouse within 10 games.

Ripp · Post #64 » by **Ripp** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:04 am

raptorforlife88 wrote:I love this forum. Apparently it's possible to base everything on 8 pre-season games, as opposed to a full year of performance from each. But hey let's ignore that offensively Bargnani was pretty good last year, and he's not likely to shoot 30% from the field.

But more than that, let's forget that David Andersen was given away by Houston. Who shot 43% last year, and couldn't get big minutes on a team that had a big rotation of Scola, 52 games of Landry's, and most importantly Chuck Hayes at center. Could not get more than 14 minutes a game. But let's forget that and pretend that he's close to as good as Andrea.

Just because you cannot get minutes over Scola, Landry and Hayes doesn't mean you cannot beat Bargs for minutes.

Blade_Runner · Post #65 » by **Blade_Runner** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:14 am

Miss Anderson and Miss Bargnani will not be rebounding today. Same difference.

C_Money · Post #66 » by **C_Money** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:00 am

Unless he improved his game, I don't think Andersen is that good. He's had a solid pre season but he played like s*** in Houston last year and ended up losing his spot in the rotation.

webeye · Post #67 » by **webeye** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 7:12 am

They've been similar in preseason -- during which Andersen has played close to his potential, and Bargnani has played as poorly as we've ever seen him.

AB ALLSTAR · Post #68 » by **AB ALLSTAR** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:10 am

Do you know the difference between the best italian white wine and the best australian one?

The answer is the same to your question.
They are both white but .........

stellation · Post #69 » by **stellation** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:49 am

AB ALLSTAR wrote:Do you know the difference between the best italian white wine and the best australian one?

The answer is the same to your question.
They are both white but .........

You know, Australia actually has some rather excellent wine.

toyguc · Post #70 » by **toyguc** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:02 am

ANDERSEN>>>DİRK,OKUR,BARGS

ANDERSEN İS THE BEST SHOOTİNG BİG MAN İN THE LEAGUE./

J-Roc · Post #71 » by **J-Roc** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:24 am

Lionel Messi wrote:Andersen is probably actually a worse defender than Bargs.

Andersen flat out sucks. He's had a solid preseason, but he is still a horrendous defender, very unreliable offensive player and a marginal rebounder. He just tries a lot harder than Bargs.

All your negative points above about Andersen apply to Bargs. Yet Andersen tries harder. Yet Andersen is worse that Bargs?

The only thing Bargs has is he's younger and supposedly has some upside. ie. both suck right now, but Bargs could possibly, hopefully get better. Not exactly a rave review for our top player. He needs to get his game in gear soon.

Kabookalu · Post #72 » by **Kabookalu** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:31 am

J-Roc wrote:All your negative points above about Andersen apply to Bargs. Yet Andersen tries harder. Yet Andersen is worse that Bargs?

Yes it's quite possible. Steve Nash sucks as a man defender just because his body can't keep up with other guards, but he tries. Gilbert Arenas is equally as bad because he doesn't care for defense. I'd say Andersen is a slightly better help defender but nothing significant. I don't know why people are getting their hopes up over him, he looks like a 12th man that had some time to shine in preseason play and people are all over his nuts because of one play. He's a better rebounder but average as a big and other than his post game, he doesn't have much going for him offensively. Streaky shooter, can't do much else. Unless he's consistently hitting his shots that he loves to chuck at a good rate, I wouldn't want to rely on him.

J-Roc · Post #73 » by **J-Roc** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:35 am

Choker wrote:
J-Roc wrote:All your negative points above about Andersen apply to Bargs. Yet Andersen tries harder. Yet Andersen is worse that Bargs?

Yes it's quite possible. Steve Nash sucks as a man defender just because his body can't keep up with other guards, but he tries. Gilbert Arenas is equally as bad because he doesn't care for defense. I'd say Andersen is a slightly better help defender but nothing significant. I don't know why people are getting their hopes up over him, he looks like a 12th man that had some time to shine in preseason play and people are all over his nuts because of one play. He's a better rebounder but average as a big and other than his post game, he doesn't have much going for him offensively. Streaky shooter, can't do much else. Unless he's consistently hitting his shots that he loves to chuck at a good rate, I wouldn't want to rely on him.

My purpose isn't to build up Andersen. It's to show how low Bargs is right now. Bargs needs to pickup his game so the argument vs Andersen is more tangible.

FirstInkTDot · Post #74 » by **FirstInkTDot** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:47 am

They Both Suck.

Too Late Crew · Post #75 » by **Too Late Crew** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:10 pm

Choker wrote: Streaky shooter, can't do much else. Unless he's consistently hitting his shots that he loves to chuck at a good rate, I wouldn't want to rely on him.

So who does this quote apply to Andersen or Bargs?

KingSebastian · Post #76 » by **KingSebastian** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:49 pm

the most important difference to people on this board is the effort we see in andersen is way above bargs. toronto fans always have a soft spot for players who try hard regardless of how skilled they are. this is what makes some believe that andersen is anywhere near bargs in skill. not even close. im in no way a bargs fan but c'mon son! every player, coach, GM, owner, scout, analyst, commontator, spectator, and blind person can see that bargs is overall a better player then andersen.....

Too Late Crew · Post #77 » by **Too Late Crew** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:04 pm

KingSebastian wrote:the most important difference to people on this board is the effort we see in andersen is way above bargs. toronto fans always have a soft spot for players who try hard regardless of how skilled they are. this is what makes some believe that andersen is anywhere near bargs in skill. not even close. im in no way a bargs fan but c'mon son! every player, coach, GM, owner, scout, analyst, commontator, spectator, and blind person can see that bargs is overall a better player then andersen.....

That's what people don't get. How is he an "overall better player"?

He is better at somethings. He is a much better scorer. he is a much worse rebounder and help defender.

So it comes down to does Bargs scoring offest the rest? I would say yes becuase scoring is valaued and its eaiser to find a defensive venter to offset bargs than it is to find the offense to offet Andersen but the idea that Bargs is just "better" doesn't acknowledge that Andersen as average as he is is superior in certain aspects that you expect from a center.

Its like saying Jose is all around better than Steve Blake?

witnessraps · Post #78 » by **witnessraps** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:07 pm

One hustles and plays defense. Guess which one.

KingSebastian · Post #79 » by **KingSebastian** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:14 pm

Too Late Crew wrote:
KingSebastian wrote:the most important difference to people on this board is the effort we see in andersen is way above bargs. toronto fans always have a soft spot for players who try hard regardless of how skilled they are. this is what makes some believe that andersen is anywhere near bargs in skill. not even close. im in no way a bargs fan but c'mon son! every player, coach, GM, owner, scout, analyst, commontator, spectator, and blind person can see that bargs is overall a better player then andersen.....

That's what people don't get. How is he an "overall better player"?

He is better at somethings. He is a much better scorer. he is a much worse rebounder and help defender.

So it comes down to does Bargs scoring offest the rest? I would say yes becuase scoring is valaued and its eaiser to find a defensive venter to offset bargs than it is to find the offense to offet Andersen but the idea that Bargs is just "better" doesn't acknowledge that Andersen as average as he is is superior in certain aspects that you expect from a center.

Its like saying Jose is all around better than Steve Blake?

before i really answer, have you watched andersen play any more than what you saw in preseason? even if you told me you have league pass, how much playing time did you see him in before? i think you would need a larger sample size to make the real comparison. bottom line is I doubt that anyone was ever calling down houston beg for a trade for andersen. i personally think bargs isnt as good as everyone thinks, but he definitely has a few things that would put him above andersen in a depth chart. who would you prefer taking the last shot in the final seconds of a close game? Hmmmm.....

plainballing · Post #80 » by **plainballing** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:16 pm

cosmostein wrote:If you want a real comparison,
Andersen is a taller Hump, with a slightly better range.
He busts his butt on defense, then all of a sudden thinks he's MJ on offense.

His shot selection is questionable, and a guy who is 30 should know better then to take a contested three with 18 seconds left on the shotclock.

We always tend to fall in love with guys after one game.
We love the 5-10 against the Knicks, but gloss over the 2-7 against Philly?

Andersen has a lot of hustle of the defensive end then most of our bench, and we should be glad we got him for 1/5th of Turk, but lets not blow this out of proportion.

Basically said it. Bargs is quicker and regularly more consistent with hitting his shot (I know I know that's not the case in the preseason right?). However Bargs is a better man-to-man defender, but a weaker help side defender than Andersen.