What's the difference between Andersen and Bargnani?

[Too Late Crew]

the most important difference to people on this board is the effort we see in andersen is way above bargs. toronto fans always have a soft spot for players who try hard regardless of how skilled they are. this is what makes some believe that andersen is anywhere near bargs in skill. not even close. im in no way a bargs fan but c'mon son! every player, coach, GM, owner, scout, analyst, commontator, spectator, and blind person can see that bargs is overall a better player then andersen.....

That's what people don't get. How is he an "overall better player"?

He is better at somethings. He is a much better scorer. he is a much worse rebounder and help defender.

So it comes down to does Bargs scoring offest the rest? I would say yes becuase scoring is valaued and its eaiser to find a defensive venter to offset bargs than it is to find the offense to offet Andersen but the idea that Bargs is just "better" doesn't acknowledge that Andersen as average as he is is superior in certain aspects that you expect from a center.

Its like saying Jose is all around better than Steve Blake?

before i really answer, have you watched andersen play any more than what you saw in preseason? even if you told me you have league pass, how much playing time did you see him in before? i think you would need a larger sample size to make the real comparison. bottom line is I doubt that anyone was ever calling down houston beg for a trade for andersen. i personally think bargs isnt as good as everyone thinks, but he definitely has a few things that would put him above andersen in a depth chart. who would you prefer taking the last shot in the final seconds of a close game? Hmmmm.....

Yes I've watched him. In FIBA too.

I never said Andersen IS better than Bargs.

Of course he's above Andersen to other GMS. He's 5 years younger and a better offensive player. For at least the next few years there is always that tantelizing potential that he could improve. Andresen is 30 he is what he is.

All I'm saying is that the gap regarding the on floor results is not as big as people want to make it out to be. You talk about who I want taking a last second shot? Of course its Bargs he's a better offensive player. how about this? What if you needed a guy to grab a last second rebound? What if you needed one defensive stop to win a game? Who do you choose?

[J-Roc]

before i really answer, have you watched andersen play any more than what you saw in preseason? even if you told me you have league pass, how much playing time did you see him in before? i think you would need a larger sample size to make the real comparison. bottom line is I doubt that anyone was ever calling down houston beg for a trade for andersen. i personally think bargs isnt as good as everyone thinks, but he definitely has a few things that would put him above andersen in a depth chart. who would you prefer taking the last shot in the final seconds of a close game? Hmmmm.....

Again, every comments seemingly could apply to Bargs. Are teams calling and begging the Raps for Bargs? Did you watch Bargs start at C last year for the worst defence in the league?

It's not about hyping up Andersen. It's about pointing out how low the bar is for Bargs these days.

[plainballing]

before i really answer, have you watched andersen play any more than what you saw in preseason? even if you told me you have league pass, how much playing time did you see him in before? i think you would need a larger sample size to make the real comparison. bottom line is I doubt that anyone was ever calling down houston beg for a trade for andersen. i personally think bargs isnt as good as everyone thinks, but he definitely has a few things that would put him above andersen in a depth chart. who would you prefer taking the last shot in the final seconds of a close game? Hmmmm.....

Again, every comments seemingly could apply to Bargs. Are teams calling and begging the Raps for Bargs? Did you watch Bargs start at C last year for the worst defence in the league?

It's not about hyping up Andersen. It's about pointing out how low the bar is for Bargs these days.

*Sigh* We need to get Jay and BC to call Nash and get him to book an appointment with Dirk for Bargs this off season. Or get Solomon to call Hakeem for a workout with Bargs, whichever way works. Bargs just need to improve and learn from the best 7 foot shooter currently playing.

[Tacoma]

who would you prefer taking the last shot in the final seconds of a close game? Hmmmm.....

This is an interesting question. Offhand, you'd think it'd be Bargs. But he's terrible at handling double teams which he'll face if he has the ball in the dying seconds. And given his gigantic learning curve at everything, don't expect him to get much better this season. So my answer would be Linas Kleiza as the 1st choice to take the last shot this season.

[Kevin Willis]

ones a better role player than the other

Bargnani - he's got way more offensive arsenal than just a just jumpshot and has a lil post up game. You can tell the talents there

Anderson- straight up role player that shoots open jumpers, rebounds well and hustles

+1. Bargs plays against starters with the POTENTIAL to be an All-Star player someday. Anderson is a role player that plays against the second unit.

[no dice]

barg is italian where andersen is aussie. and we all know in raptors italians >>>>>>aussies

[OlFlashy]

The haters have no trouble agreeing with a comparison of bargnani to andersen, but try and compare him to having a skill set more similar to dirk and you won't hear the end of how you're only comparing the two players because they're 7 foot white guys.

[Uncle Hare]

I can't believe this thread even exists. I can't understand how could this board reach every day a deeper low in basket knowledge. Now I can see why in the US they make jokes about Canadians. Come on guys, come on, you can't be THIS stupid!

Public warning for insulting Canadians.

[TMMC]

I see the Bargnani naysayers/haters always saying they hate Bargnani because of all the love he see's on here by the Bargnani nuthuggers. If its true the nuthuggers are so dominant on this board then how come I never see "bargnani is great threads" and I see a new hate Bargnani thread every time I log in?

If you think Andersen is on par with Bargnani or that Andersen will become a better player than Bargnani then you simply have no knowledge of the game of basketball, none what so ever....Every year we see certain fans coming at us with this garbage, start Hump, start Amir, start Rasho, start POB, start Loren Woods, start JO and now its start Andersen because all are better than Bargnani.... I understand some of you want more from the five spot and you wish we drafted someone else but comments like this are just lunacy and I don't care what the preseason stats say.. Andersen in all his glory and apperently tremendous energy could never avg better than 10-5 as a NBA starter over an entire NBA season and you are unjustly and unfairly putting him up against a younger, faster and better player who is coming off a 17-6-2 campaign and a guy who dominated with Italy this past summer....

Maybe he does play with more visually satifising effort and hunger but in the NBA at the end of the day you also need talent and talent beats non-talented grinders nine times out of ten.. Bargnani is more talented and has a better future ahead of him, end of story....

Discussions like these imo are an embarrassment to the board

[AB ALLSTAR]

Do you know the difference between the best italian white wine and the best australian one?

The answer is the same to your question.
They are both white but .........

You know, Australia actually has some rather excellent wine.

I agree and I like them.
I like Andersen too. I saw him play more than 10 years ago in Virtus Bologna. He is an excelent player but Bargnani is better by far.

[simmons21]

I see the Bargnani naysayers/haters always saying they hate Bargnani because of all the love he see's on here by the Bargnani nuthuggers. If its true the nuthuggers are so dominant on this board then how come I never see "bargnani is great threads" and I see a new hate Bargnani thread every time I log in?

If you think Andersen is on par with Bargnani or that Andersen will become a better player than Bargnani then you simply have no knowledge of the game of basketball, none what so ever....Every year we see certain fans coming at us with this garbage, start Hump, start Amir, start Rasho, start POB, start Loren Woods, start JO and now its start Andersen because all are better than Bargnani.... I understand some of you want more from the five spot and you wish we drafted someone else but comments like this are just lunacy and I don't care what the preseason stats say.. Andersen in all his glory and apperently tremendous energy could never avg better than 10-5 as a NBA starter over an entire NBA season and you are unjustly and unfairly putting him up against a younger, faster and better player who is coming off a 17-6-2 campaign and a guy who dominated with Italy this past summer....

Maybe he does play with more visually satifising effort and hunger but in the NBA at the end of the day you also need talent and talent beats non-talented grinders nine times out of ten.. Bargnani is more talented and has a better future ahead of him, end of story....

Discussions like these imo are an embarrassment to the board

+1000

Perfect post.

This thread is from a different dimension. Who are you people? And what have to done to the intelligent raptors fans

[Kakapato]

I see the Bargnani naysayers/haters always saying they hate Bargnani because of all the love he see's on here by the Bargnani nuthuggers. If its true the nuthuggers are so dominant on this board then how come I never see "bargnani is great threads" and I see a new hate Bargnani thread every time I log in?

If you think Andersen is on par with Bargnani or that Andersen will become a better player than Bargnani then you simply have no knowledge of the game of basketball, none what so ever....Every year we see certain fans coming at us with this garbage, start Hump, start Amir, start Rasho, start POB, start Loren Woods, start JO and now its start Andersen because all are better than Bargnani.... I understand some of you want more from the five spot and you wish we drafted someone else but comments like this are just lunacy and I don't care what the preseason stats say.. Andersen in all his glory and apperently tremendous energy could never avg better than 10-5 as a NBA starter over an entire NBA season and you are unjustly and unfairly putting him up against a younger, faster and better player who is coming off a 17-6-2 campaign and a guy who dominated with Italy this past summer....

Maybe he does play with more effort and hunger but in the NBA at the end of the day you also need talent and talent beats non-talented grinders nine times out of ten.. Bargnani is more talented and has a better future ahead of him, end of story....

Discussions like these imo are an embarrassment to the board

Don't worry... this happens every year during the off season. Many real haters can't speak during the RS since Bargs is producing more than they want him to do. This preseason he sucked so they are here in full force.

Then I still don't understand the hater/lover thing: in this board it's all black or white, you can't have a real discussion without being assigned to one of these category.

Anyway I was surprised by many raptors players during the preseason games: how can a guy be so dumb to risk an injury in a stupid preseason game giving 120% effort... Or maybe is the coach telling the players to give such an effort...

[Lionel Messi]

Andersen is probably actually a worse defender than Bargs.

Andersen flat out sucks. He's had a solid preseason, but he is still a horrendous defender, very unreliable offensive player and a marginal rebounder. He just tries a lot harder than Bargs.

All your negative points above about Andersen apply to Bargs. Yet Andersen tries harder. Yet Andersen is worse that Bargs?

The only thing Bargs has is he's younger and supposedly has some upside. ie. both suck right now, but Bargs could possibly, hopefully get better. Not exactly a rave review for our top player. He needs to get his game in gear soon.

The difference is that Bargs' unreliable offence caps at a higher rate than Andersen's. A really good offensive night for Andersen would be like 14 on 5/9 shooting or something. If Bargnani was to have a really good offensive night it'd look something like 23 on 9/17 shooting (rough estimate).

[JN]

Two bench players. One is slightly better and gets paid $47M extra for it.

[JN]

Don't worry... this happens every year during the off season. Many real haters can't speak during the RS since Bargs is producing more than they want him to do. This preseason he sucked so they are here in full force.

Anyway I was surprised by many raptors players during the preseason games: how can a guy be so dumb to risk an injury in a stupid preseason game giving 120% effort... Or maybe is the coach telling the players to give such an effort...

1. A PER of 15 and one of the worst defenders in the NBA. That is good production?

2, Excuse #1367 - Andrea Bargnani was right to be lazy in preseason.

[jrsmith]

Two bench players. One is slightly better and gets paid $47M extra for it.

+1 but also bargnani has a considerable size advantage and is the "coaches" son

all in all 2 afterthoughts filling up time on a pathetic franchise

[TMMC]

Two bench players. One is slightly better and gets paid $47M extra for it.

+1 but also bargnani has a considerable size advantage and is the "coaches" son

all in all 2 afterthoughts filling up time on a pathetic franchise

Triano was blunt in his assessment of Andrea Bargnani's defence last week. "No," the coach said when asked if the Italian had improved in providing help when necessary. Yesterday, Triano gave a similar response in regard to Barganai's development as a vocal leader, despite teammates suggesting he is more social than ever. "No, not really," Triano said. "Andrea ... we've had him for years. I don't think we're going to see a transformation over night."

Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/Raptors+Not ... story.html

Triano and the organization has been pretty open in criticising Bargnani for his play this preseason, this coddling and BC/Triano's son nonsense is just as silly as this comparison....

Andersen is a poor man's Bargnani who has a more open personality on the court which gives off the impression that he is trying harder, nothing more...

[lucky777s]

You dont' understand. Fans are actually hoping that Bargs has not been giving 100% effort because that would mean he has another level to go to if he can improve his effort.

If you are correct and it just seems like he is not trying, but actually is, then that may in fact be a much more depressing situation because it means his upside could be a myth.

[jrsmith]

Two bench players. One is slightly better and gets paid $47M extra for it.

+1 but also bargnani has a considerable size advantage and is the "coaches" son

all in all 2 afterthoughts filling up time on a pathetic franchise

Triano was blunt in his assessment of Andrea Bargnani's defence last week. "No," the coach said when asked if the Italian had improved in providing help when necessary. Yesterday, Triano gave a similar response in regard to Barganai's development as a vocal leader, despite teammates suggesting he is more social than ever. "No, not really," Triano said. "Andrea ... we've had him for years. I don't think we're going to see a transformation over night."

Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/Raptors+Not ... story.html

Triano and the organization has been pretty open in criticising Bargnani for his play this preseason, this coddling and BC/Triano's son nonsense is just as silly as this comparison....

Andersen is a poor man's Bargnani who has a more open personality on the court which gives off the impression that he is trying harder, nothing more...

I used quotes on the word coaches for a reason. GM's son (or possibly more) doesn't roll of the tongue as well. Apologies it slipped by you. And no, the talk about Colangelo coddling him is definitely not nonsense but that has been proven and beaten to death so many times. Id rather not get into it.

[simmons21]

I used quotes on the word coaches for a reason. GM's son (or possibly more) doesn't roll of the tongue as well. Apologies it slipped by you. And no, the talk about Colangelo coddling him is definitely not nonsense but that has been proven and beaten to death so many times. Id rather not get into it.

Oh no! The GM is looking after the interests of our best player????!!? how dare he!