What's the difference between Andersen and Bargnani?

[jrsmith]

I used quotes on the word coaches for a reason. GM's son (or possibly more) doesn't roll of the tongue as well. Apologies it slipped by you. And no, the talk about Colangelo coddling him is definitely not nonsense but that has been proven and beaten to death so many times. Id rather not get into it.

Oh no! The GM is looking after the interests of our best player????!!? how dare he!

lul wut? Bargnani has never been our best player nor close to it. Unless you are talking about this season, which has yet to begin which means nothing can be drawn from it.

fail post lulz

[TMMC]

I used quotes on the word coaches for a reason. GM's son (or possibly more) doesn't roll of the tongue as well. Apologies it slipped by you. And no, the talk about Colangelo coddling him is definitely not nonsense but that has been proven and beaten to death so many times. Id rather not get into it.

Oh no! The GM is looking after the interests of our best player????!!? how dare he!

lul wut? Bargnani has never been our best player nor close to it. Unless you are talking about this season, which has yet to begin which means nothing can be drawn from it.

fail post lulz

No he hasn't been our best player but he has been our best center, wether you think thats sad or not its the truth and posts stating Andersen, Hump, POB. Rasho, Woods, Johnson, one legged JO being better deserve a "lol wut?" response as well....

[Morris_Shatford]

Streaky shooter, can't do much else. Unless he's consistently hitting his shots that he loves to chuck at a good rate, I wouldn't want to rely on him.

So who does this quote apply to Andersen or Bargs?

Andersen's shot selection is putrid;
He is also selfish on offense. We can say what we will about Bargs but on a percentage basis I would argue that Bargnani takes far better shots the Andersen does.

The fact that Andersen made a few against the Knicks is wonderful, but it doesn't change the fact that he missed most of them against the Sixers.

[Too Late Crew]

Streaky shooter, can't do much else. Unless he's consistently hitting his shots that he loves to chuck at a good rate, I wouldn't want to rely on him.

So who does this quote apply to Andersen or Bargs?

Andersen's shot selection is putrid;
He is also selfish on offense. We can say what we will about Bargs but on a percentage basis I would argue that Bargnani takes far better shots the Andersen does.

The fact that Andersen made a few against the Knicks is wonderful, but it doesn't change the fact that he missed most of them against the Sixers.

You avoided the question.

If Bargs isn't hitting his shots what else does he do?

Is Bargs streky or not?

I never argued Andersen was better or better shooter. Can you deny that Bargs is a streky player who contributes almost nothing else if he isn't hitting his jumpshot?

[Too Late Crew]

Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/Raptors+Not ... story.html

Triano and the organization has been pretty open in criticising Bargnani for his play this preseason, this coddling and BC/Triano's son nonsense is just as silly as this comparison....

Andersen is a poor man's Bargnani who has a more open personality on the court which gives off the impression that he is trying harder, nothing more...

Raptors senior vice-president of basketball operations, Maurizio Gherardini, says he’s watched him thrive under pressure, whether leading the underdog Benetton to Italy’s Lega A championship, or moving to a new continent as the NBA’s No. 1 draft pick in 2006 at age 20, and consistently scoring in the double-digits.

“I have witnessed a guy that was always ready to face the challenge,” he said.

He responds with hard work, he said; by practising on his day off, as he did on Thursday, or asking for advice, as Gherardini watched him do on Wednesday.

“He kept going through his mistakes, but getting better,” he said. “We still have to see how the team chemistry settles. What he needs to do is to become one of the primary references of the team. To demand more, just like he did this summer. To say, ‘give me the ball.’

“He knows he can give a lot to this team.”

Doesn't sound too critical to me??

Now no one expects them to blast him in the media . That's counterproductive. It certainly would not help his trade value (not that that's happening) BUT after 4 years plus when they make excuses or tell us how he's developing etc afetr a while it just becomes same old song and dance.

After 4 years the harsest thing we've ever heard is
He hasn't improved his helpside defense.

[jrsmith]

No he hasn't been our best player

I know, I believe i just posted that.

On a side note...

Random nonsensical non related wrongly directed bargnani excuse #1468

The sky is blue.

Discuss...

[sanity]

Many real haters can't speak during the RS since Bargs is producing more than they want him to do

Since when is 17/6 an amazing feat?

[elitehunter99]

Complete steal by BC for getting Andersen or complete gaff by drafting andrea?

Complete gaff if the #1 overall pick can't outplay a perennial bench player.
Bargnani has to improve his post game, he has all the physical tools of a Dirk Nowitzki, but nowhere near the bball IQ or desire... sadly I don't think all the stars will ever align for Bargnani, it is an exercise in futility

[Truthrising]

So who does this quote apply to Andersen or Bargs?

Andersen's shot selection is putrid;
He is also selfish on offense. We can say what we will about Bargs but on a percentage basis I would argue that Bargnani takes far better shots the Andersen does.

The fact that Andersen made a few against the Knicks is wonderful, but it doesn't change the fact that he missed most of them against the Sixers.

You avoided the question.

If Bargs isn't hitting his shots what else does he do?

Is Bargs streky or not?

I never argued Andersen was better or better shooter. Can you deny that Bargs is a streky player who contributes almost nothing else if he isn't hitting his jumpshot?

We get the point, you hate Bargnani and 90% of your post has to do with trashing Bargs one way or another. This is the reason why I don't like reading Realgmer's is because of posters like you who have nothing better to do than to trash on Bargnani day in and day out, seriously get a life.

[Morris_Shatford]

You avoided the question.

If Bargs isn't hitting his shots what else does he do?

Is Bargs streky or not?

I never argued Andersen was better or better shooter. Can you deny that Bargs is a streky player who contributes almost nothing else if he isn't hitting his jumpshot?

I didn't avoid it; I commented on the section I disagree with.
I simply disagree with the term "chuck", there are a billion things to get on Bargnani's case for but I have little issue with his shot selection, if anything I would want him to take a few more.

Andersen on the other hand...

[Neutral 123]

LOL, this is a bit much...

[Jonn]

I can think of 2. One is they are from a different country. And the other is one gets paid a lot more.

[TMMC]

You avoided the question.

If Bargs isn't hitting his shots what else does he do?

Is Bargs streky or not?

I never argued Andersen was better or better shooter. Can you deny that Bargs is a streky player who contributes almost nothing else if he isn't hitting his jumpshot?

Wether Bargnani is hitting his shots or not teams must account for him at all times and in doing so he opens up the floor for others.. Teams last year and even more so this year geared their defensive game plan to stop him because they understand unlike you that he is a quality scorer with the ability to put up points at any given time from anywhere on the court...

Wether you understand it or have the ability to admit it or not Bargnani has been a big part of this teams offense wether he is scoring or not and that is an offense consistantly ranked among the NBA's best....

Let me know when Anderson garners that much attention, where teams gameplan to stop Andersen and toss double and triple teams at him, where all that attention opens the floor for Andersen's teammates... Let me know when you see something in Andersen several years older than Bargnani that sends off singals that he is able to score 17ppg or has the ability to drop 20-30 on you on any given night...

Offensively Bargnani does alot even when he is not scoring even if you and anyone else considers him streaky, he must at all times be accounted for and every opposing player must know where he is at all times....

Thats just one or several things he does when he isn't scoring, he has a presence offensively that Andersen or any other scrub you guys compare him to will never have.... Defensively I guess you could say he has a knack for blocking shots where as Andersen isn't exactly known for his shot blocking or anything else for that matter....

[simmons21]

I used quotes on the word coaches for a reason. GM's son (or possibly more) doesn't roll of the tongue as well. Apologies it slipped by you. And no, the talk about Colangelo coddling him is definitely not nonsense but that has been proven and beaten to death so many times. Id rather not get into it.

Oh no! The GM is looking after the interests of our best player????!!? how dare he!

lul wut? Bargnani has never been our best player nor close to it. Unless you are talking about this season, which has yet to begin which means nothing can be drawn from it.

fail post lulz

Colangelo Coddling him has been proven?

Did you walk in on him breastfeeding bargnani or something? Did i miss a press conference?

Where is this proof?

I can't post in this thread anymore, it's too bizarre.

[Too Late Crew]

[quote="cosmostein}Andersen's shot selection is putrid;
He is also selfish on offense. We can say what we will about Bargs but on a percentage basis I would argue that Bargnani takes far better shots the Andersen does.

The fact that Andersen made a few against the Knicks is wonderful, but it doesn't change the fact that he missed most of them against the Sixers.

You avoided the question.

If Bargs isn't hitting his shots what else does he do?

Is Bargs streky or not?

I never argued Andersen was better or better shooter. Can you deny that Bargs is a streky player who contributes almost nothing else if he isn't hitting his jumpshot?

We get the point, you hate Bargnani and 90% of your post has to do with trashing Bargs one way or another. This is the reason why I don't like reading Realgmer's is because of posters like you who have nothing better to do than to trash on Bargnani day in and day out, seriously get a life.[/quote]


Don't like it? Scorll on past. You obviously care enough to not only read but respond.

People don't like what they read so they trhow out the hater lable.

I have written positve and objective things about the guy..however becuase of his limited skills and development the negative does inevatibly outnumber the positive. The people who want to lable the haters convieniently forget.

[dacrusha]

If Il Mago wasn't the first overall pick back in 2006, he would've been forced to the end of the bench or traded by now and certainly wouldn't be enjoying the lazy comfort of 5 more guaranteed years of fat paychecks and unearned minutes as a starter.

1st overall busts like him, Joe Smith, Michael Olowokandi and Kwame Brown have all extended their careers because of their draft status.

[alpha]

If Il Mago wasn't the first overall pick back in 2006, he would've been forced to the end of the bench or traded by now and certainly wouldn't be enjoying the lazy comfort of 5 more guaranteed years of fat paychecks and unearned minutes as a starter.

1st overall busts like him, Joe Smith, Michael Olowokandi and Kwame Brown have all extended their careers because of their draft status.

Putting him in the same class as"Kwame" just shows how the idiots come crawling out of the woodwork whenever they get a chance to pounce.
I'm a bargs fan..but one of the 1st to admit he's lazy and needs some toughness..but some of the moronic statements in here can only lead me to believe that the IQ level in here is dropping daily.
Infact it's ironic how when the ""idiots" who propose trading him always want top value in their trades... boggles the mind.

[dacrusha]

If Il Mago wasn't the first overall pick back in 2006, he would've been forced to the end of the bench or traded by now and certainly wouldn't be enjoying the lazy comfort of 5 more guaranteed years of fat paychecks and unearned minutes as a starter.

1st overall busts like him, Joe Smith, Michael Olowokandi and Kwame Brown have all extended their careers because of their draft status.

Putting him in the same class as"Kwame" just shows how the idiots come crawling out of the woodwork whenever they get a chance to pounce.
I'm a bargs fan..but one of the 1st to admit he's lazy and needs some toughness..but some of the moronic statements in here can only lead me to believe that the IQ level in here is dropping daily.
Infact it's ironic how when the ""idiots" who propose trading him always want top value in their trades... boggles the mind.

If Bargnani is drafted, say 21st overall, he never gets off the bench after his 2nd season and he's relegated to Michael Bradley scrub status.

Only a moron would believe that his heavy minutes and starting role are a product of superior play.

[appel]

If Il Mago wasn't the first overall pick back in 2006, he would've been forced to the end of the bench or traded by now and certainly wouldn't be enjoying the lazy comfort of 5 more guaranteed years of fat paychecks and unearned minutes as a starter.

1st overall busts like him, Joe Smith, Michael Olowokandi and Kwame Brown have all extended their careers because of their draft status.

i agree, absolutely
He's only the fourth scorer in that draft and the fifth rebounder
And the fith in minutes played too
He deserve the bench or a trade, i agree
Every player with 17+6 deserve the bench

Now i will ask for a trade in Minnie's board
Dacrusha for something (or nothing)

p.s. If they ask me for money i can pay
But you must stay in Minnie's board

[appel]

If Bargnani is drafted, say 21st overall, he never gets off the bench after his 2nd season and he's relegated to Michael Bradley scrub status.

Only a moron would believe that his heavy minutes and starting role are a product of superior play.

If Bargs wasn't drafted or (better) somebody killed Andrea he wasn't playing

You're simply a genius