Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[verbal8]

On the Melo to NY talks, I wouldn't be surprised if Denver puts some value on Toney Douglas. I know he's basically a backup 6'2 shooting guard, but I'm a fan. I think he has enough PG skills to play there - at least as a 3rd guard, and he is tough as hell at both ends of the court - with 3 point range. I think he could be a breakout player if given minutes in a good situation.

The latest rumor in the NYK-DEN-CLE 3-way is CLE including the TPE and Varejo. I wonder if CLE gets Nene in that scenario. I think DEN has Lawson as their PG of the future. He seems like a bad choice to pair with a 6'2" SG.

[pancakes3]

mcgee for oden at the deadline. roll the dice that he extends for a reasonable sum.

[Hoopalotta]

If there ends up being a yearlong lockout, Oden should be an unrestricted free agent directly thereafter. McGee would be a restricted free agent in that same signing period, so long as the CBA still allows for restricteds (seems I was reading the other day that the reason Shaq was able to go to the Lakers was because a new deal took restricted status out in '96 or whenever it was; something like that).

I wouldn't be comfortable making that deal now for a few reasons, but I'd definitely consider trying to ink Oden then. He and McGee might actually fit on the same team (I doubt Oden's a 30+ minute guy/ McGee too, for that matter).

That free agent class would be preposterously talented if a whole season gets knocked out too, btw.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If there ends up being a yearlong lockout, Oden should be an unrestricted free agent directly thereafter. McGee would be a restricted free agent in that same signing period, so long as the CBA still allows for restricteds (seems I was reading the other day that the reason Shaq was able to go to the Lakers was because a new deal took restricted status out in '96 or whenever it was; something like that).

I wouldn't be comfortable making that deal now for a few reasons, but I'd definitely consider trying to ink Oden then. He and McGee might actually fit on the same team (I doubt Oden's a 30+ minute guy/ McGee too, for that matter).

That free agent class would be preposterously talented if a whole season gets knocked out too, btw.

In all my "McGee's more of a PF than C" posts, I think Javale at PF/C next to Oden would be a dominating frontcourt for years and years if Oden could stay healthy.

If Camby and Ewing can get to a finals, as well as Olajuwon and Sampson, and Robinson with Duncan; I can see 4-5 years down the road a HEALTHY Oden--as good defensively as Dwight Howard IMO, and McGee with Wall could make a finals.

I think McGee's offensive skills might be better if he weren't being asked to strictly bang.

[Hoopalotta]

In all my "McGee's more of a PF than C" posts, I think Javale at PF/C next to Oden would be a dominating frontcourt for years and years if Oden could stay healthy.

If Camby and Ewing can get to a finals, as well as Olajuwon and Sampson, and Robinson with Duncan; I can see 4-5 years down the road a HEALTHY Oden--as good defensively as Dwight Howard IMO, and McGee with Wall could make a finals.

I think McGee's offensive skills might be better if he weren't being asked to strictly bang.

Yeah, I agree, that could be championship caliber ball as you've got huge mismatch potential at the two most important positions.

My main concern with McGee at power forward is that he can't guard face-up 4's like Beasley-Jamison-West and such, but I think it could work for some number of minutes. Offensively, I think McGee and someone skilled like Marc Gasol could work - I don't know about with Oden, but at worst we could probably go to it for 8 minutes and that well might be enough.

But yeah, completely overloading what most teams could even think about countering with in the paint sounds like a fine way towards a chip ship. I think we could get away with mostly catch and shoot defenders starting on the wings to compliment Wall-Oden-McGee-Blatche.

Also, I really think the new CBA is going to limit the number of guaranteed years that can be offered or in some way protect teams on the back-end of deals, so I think dropping big money on Oden might not be as dangerous as it seems now.

[dare]

I'm new to this guys but I just want to know your insights about this trade:
http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

[montestewart]

I'm new to this guys but I just want to know your insights about this trade:
http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

It looks like the link is not complete, because the trade's not coming up. Try again or maybe just post the gist of the trade. Make sure to post your reasons, because there might be some angle to the trade that someone like me would miss.

[dare]

I'm new to this guys but I just want to know your insights about this trade:
http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

It looks like the link is not complete, because the trade's not coming up. Try again or maybe just post the gist of the trade. Make sure to post your reasons, because there might be some angle to the trade that someone like me would miss.

It's a three team trade between Detroit,Toronto and Washington

Washington Receives: Rip Hamilton, Jarret Jack
Washington Losses: Gilbert Arenas

Detroit Receives: Gilbert Arenas
Detroit Losses: Rip Hamilton, Rodney Stuckey

Toronto Receives: Rodney Stuckey
Toronto Losses: Jarret Jack

Washington will get rid of Arenas but will receive a better team player with Rip Hamilton, Detroit is looking to dump Rip's contract anyways and for all we know Dumars can actually accept the trade while Toronto will upgrade their PG with Stuckey because Calderon ain't that good really.

[JWizmentality]

Detroit wouldn't touch that.

[dare]

Maybe a couple of first round picks can be thrown in there

[no D in Hibachi]

With an Arenas trade you either need to get strictly expirings, or if your taking back additional salary, you need to get a 1st or a good prospect. Anyways you slice it Arenas is a better player than Rip with far more potential. If the Wiz are intent on dumping Arenas they need to hope he comes out like gang busters and Vince Carter struggles out of the gate.

[montestewart]

Detroit wouldn't touch that.

It seems Detroit is trying to do what the Wizards did, cutting salary to allow a team transaction.

I've seen a lot of trade proposals involving Washington and Detroit that center on Arenas and Hamilton, and the fans of both teams usually balk.

[dare]

So guys can you give me any realistic trade involving Arenas and Hamilton?

[montestewart]

So guys can you give me any realistic trade involving Arenas and Hamilton?

Teams that might conceivably be interested in taking on Arenas' contract through some combination of circumstances include Portland, Orlando, Dallas. Detroit could theoretically be worked into that, sending Hamilton to DC and Arenas going to the third team. Look at assets those teams could move to Detroit (which would probably be happy with expirings).

[Hoopalotta]

Washington Out: G. Arenas, Y. Jianlian, N. Young, A. Thornton, K. Hinrich & WAS 2011 1st
Washington In: R. Lewis & E. Brand

Detroit Out: R. Hamilton & J. Maxiel
Detroit In: G. Arenas, WAS 2011 1st

Philly Out: E. Brand
Philly In: R. Hamilton, N. Young & A. Thornton

Orlando Out: R. Lewis
Orlando In: K. Hinrich, J. Maxiel & Y. Jianlian

[LyricalRico]

:angel:

Washington Out: G. Arenas, Y. Jianlian, N. Young, A. Thornton, K. Hinrich & WAS 2011 1st
Washington In: R. Lewis & E. Brand

Detroit Out: R. Hamilton & J. Maxiel
Detroit In: G. Arenas, WAS 2011 1st

Philly Out: E. Brand
Philly In: R. Hamilton, N. Young & A. Thornton

Orlando Out: R. Lewis
Orlando In: K. Hinrich, J. Maxiel & Y. Jianlian

Yikes! Hopefully that was tongue-in-cheek. As in favor as I am for a Gil trade, no way I take on Lewis and Brand.

I do have to admit to being very interested in Arenas for Rip+Maxiell, not only because of subtracting Arenas but also becuase Rip has already proven that he can score off the ball. You'd probably have to include a third team to take Stuckey and give Detroit a big, but I think it's a good idea. It's probably the only potential Gil deal I would do that doesn't involve expiring contracts.

[nate33]

Hoopalotta should be banned for even making jokes like that.

No soup for you! Come back, one year!

[LyricalRico]

Eastern Conference bad contracts unite!

Wizards trade: Arenas and Thornton
Wizards receive: Iguodala and Diaw

Sixers trade: Iguodala and Brand
Sixers receive: Hamilton, Maxiell, Diop, and Carroll

Pistons trade: Hamilton and Maxiell
Pistons receive: Brand and Thornton

Bobcats trade: Diaw, Diop, and Carroll
Bobcats receive: Arenas

TRADE ID 5719323

Why for Washington? We move Arenas for guys that are better fits and get an additional $6M in cap space in 2012. Iggy plays SG for now but probably moves to SF longterm.

McGee/Yi (Flip played him there a lot in preseason)
Blatche/Diaw
Howard/Booker
Iggy/Young
Wall/Hinrich

Why for Philly? Chris Broussard of ESPN reports that Iggy wants to be moved if Philly doesn't have a winning season. They use him to dump Brand and re-balance their roster, saving $22.7M between now and 2014 in the process. This would have been really sweet for them if they'd drafted Favors.

Hawes/Battie/Diop
Songaila/Maxiell
Young/Nocioni
Hamilton/Williams
Holliday/Turner

Why for Detroit? They also re-balance their roster and get the inside scoring they've needed for a while.

Wallace/Monroe
Brand/Villanueva
Prince/Daye/Thornton
Gordon/McGrady
Stuckey/Bynum

Why for Charlotte? All we need is for Larry Brown to get frustrated with his young PGs and fall in love with the thought of Gil playing for him and anything's possible. They really don't give up much other than a financial commitment and MJ appears to be willing to spend.

Mohammed/Kwame
Tyrus/Najera
Wallace/McGuire (when healthy)
Jackson/Henderson
Arenas/Livingston/Augustin

[montestewart]

Hoopalotta should be banned for even making jokes like that.

No soup for you! Come back, one year!

It's sort of like the trade thread version of pure mathematics, divorced from the quotidian vagaries of the won-lost column.

PS: Nice threading the needle LyricalRico . I'd still like to see an outside shooter, but I guess if the Wizards got one by next year...

[Hoopalotta]

Hoopalotta should be banned for even making jokes like that.

No soup for you! Come back, one year!

It's sort of like the trade thread version of pure mathematics, divorced from the quotidian vagaries of the won-lost column.

PS: Nice threading the needle LyricalRico . I'd still like to see an outside shooter, but I guess if the Wizards got one by next year...

You guys should just be happy I couldn't find a way to get Turkoglu and Rip Hamilton coming back in the package.

But come on, say it with me once for the Trades and Transaction Board: in that deal "we shave a year off Gil's deal." I would think we'd have all been conditioned by now.