Pick Stafford , Sanchez or Josh Freeman

kellmellus50 · Post #1 » by **kellmellus50** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:51 am

Right now, Stafford is not viewed among the NFL’s elite quarterbacks. Even in his 2009 draft class, although he went No. 1 overall, Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman - the other first-round quarterbacks that year - are both considered ahead of Stafford.

It will be interesting how Stafford does when the Lions face Sanchez and the New York Jets on Nov. 7, and Freeman and the Tampa Buccaneers on Dec. 19. The Jets are 5-1, the Bucs 4-2
There must come a time when Stafford seizes the team and the moment, and leads the Lions somewhere beyond ineptitude.in these final 10 games

What if he doesn’t?

There is a high probability he never will
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TSE · Post #2 » by **TSE** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:24 pm

What if he doesn't? Then Martin Mayhew should volunteer to turn over 100% of every dime he has been paid as GM if he doesn't find some other way to get us into the playoffs by next year.

Post #3 » by **ajaX82** » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:51 pm

Its impossible to get a real reading on Stafford right now because of the time he has spent injured. Ask me again at the end of the season

kellmellus50 · Post #4 » by **kellmellus50** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:58 am

You should never draft a QB thats not mobile and quick, otherwise he get's hit and injured all the time staying in the pocket . Thats going to be stafford every season he willl be injured 1-2 times during the season so you better have a good 2-3 string QB to replace him.

Example:Brett Favre has a NFL-record durability streak at 291 consecutive games started. because he is able to elude sacks plain and simple 101.

Post #5 » by **Icness** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:59 pm

ajaX82 wrote:Its impossible to get a real reading on Stafford right now because of the time he has spent injured. Ask me again at the end of the season

This.

The Sanchize and Freeman are way ahead at this point, but we haven't seen what Stafford can do in extended time yet. I'd probably still take Sanchez regardless. Freeman is one of those guys that doesn't "wow" you but really plays awesome in crunch time.

Bartender · Post #6 » by **Bartender** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:50 pm

kellmellus50 wrote:You should never draft a QB thats not mobile and quick, otherwise he get's hit and injured all the time staying in the pocket . Thats going to be stafford every season he willl be injured 1-2 times during the season so you better have a good 2-3 string QB to replace him.

Example:Brett Favre has a NFL-record durability streak at 291 consecutive games started. because he is able to elode sacks plain and simple 101.

Favre is able to elode sacks? For one, elode isn't a word and two, he is one of the most sacked and hit QB's in the league. He is NOT fast or quick or mobile by any means. Peyton Manning is not quick or mobile by any means. Tom Brady is not quick or mobile by any means.

Jesus, some girls just don't know what they are talkin' about.

motorcity15 · Post #7 » by **motorcity15** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:17 pm

we should see improvement by the end of the season, if not then i mite start to worry.

I hate sanchez tho ,so overrated. Im not really sure what to think about freeman. He's been solid but idk if you can really put him in the "elite quaterbacks" class

As of now All 3 are mediocre

Post #8 » by **ajaX82** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:06 pm

kellmellus50 wrote:You should never draft a QB thats not mobile and quick, otherwise he get's hit and injured all the time staying in the pocket . Thats going to be stafford every season he willl be injured 1-2 times during the season so you better have a good 2-3 string QB to replace him.

Example:Brett Favre has a NFL-record durability streak at 291 consecutive games started. because he is able to elude sacks plain and simple 101.

Yeah what the heck are you talking about? Bartender is right on...just about all the top QBs in the league are not mobile at all. The reason they dont get hit and hurt isnt because they move out of the pocket and elude defenders. Its because they have quick releases, have great pocket awareness and for the most part have great offensive lines.

Stafford has the quick release part, the pocket presence will come with time and the offensive line, the real problem, isn't his fault.

kellmellus50 · Post #9 » by **kellmellus50** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:17 pm

ajaX82 wrote:
kellmellus50 wrote:You should never draft a QB thats not mobile and quick, otherwise he get's hit and injured all the time staying in the pocket . Thats going to be stafford every season he willl be injured 1-2 times during the season so you better have a good 2-3 string QB to replace him.

Example:Brett Favre has a NFL-record durability streak at 291 consecutive games started. because he is able to elude sacks plain and simple 101.

Yeah what the heck are you talking about? Bartender is right on...just about all the top QBs in the league are not mobile at all. The reason they dont get hit and hurt isnt because they move out of the pocket and elude defenders. Its because they have quick releases, have great pocket awareness and for the most part have great offensive lines.

Stafford has the quick release part, the pocket presence will come with time and the offensive line, the real problem, isn't his fault.

You and bartender got exactly what you want a quarterback that gets injured a lot and sits on the sideline .
What i am saying is it is better to get a mobile QB who makes lineman miss ,therefore does not get injured so much as you can see.
Stafford is slow and get's hit head on and sooner or later he ends up on the sideline .Staffort can only take so may hits before he breaks down,Backus does not help him either.

TSE · Post #10 » by **TSE** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:08 pm

kellmellus50 wrote:You should never draft a QB thats not mobile and quick, otherwise he get's hit and injured all the time staying in the pocket . Thats going to be stafford every season he willl be injured 1-2 times during the season so you better have a good 2-3 string QB to replace him.

Example:Brett Favre has a NFL-record durability streak at 291 consecutive games started. because he is able to elude sacks plain and simple 101.

You should never draft a QB when the price is a #1 pick and a gargantuan amount of millions unless you are REALLY damn sure he's going to be the real deal, which is very hard to get in general, but Stafford didn't qualify at that level especially after I've personally talked with a number of Georgia fans that gave me credible and logical criticisms which of course coincidentally matched up perfectly with what we have seen and how I personally critiqued him. That doesn't mean Stafford can't be a superstar, but that elite status just doesn't PROJECT at a high enough odds rate to justify the price tag of the gamble. Whether he is a success or not I will take it to my grave that at the time the pick was made it was the WRONG thing to do, thus waiting to find out if he pans out is actually irrelevant, to me it was clearly a bad decision, and if he succeeds, then it would only be due to luck beyond the true odds, and you can never go back in time to justify making a lucky pick. The Lions have everything but logic, and that's the glue to build a true winner, and we are just playing the waiting game until things magically align and fall into our laps, which it theoretically would have to eventually. But that's too long, we should already be the best team in the NFL hands down with how many wire privileges and trading options and draft picks we have had over the last 5-10 years.

TSE · Post #11 » by **TSE** » Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:10 pm

kellmellus50 wrote:
You and bartender got exactly what you want a quarterback that gets injured a lot and sits on the sideline .
What i am saying is it is better to get a mobile QB who makes lineman miss ,therefore does not get injured so much as you can see.
Stafford is slow and get's hit head on and sooner or later he ends up on the sideline .Staffort can only take so may hits before he breaks down,Backus does not help him either.

Favre has got hit a few times himself, yet he's never missed a game. Peyton and Brady have also been highly injury resistant. Part of this is getting rid of the ball, part is some pocket mobility, you don't have to be Michael Vick to be a mobile pocket passer, or a smart pocket passer, or a good and skill pocket passer, or a tough pocket passer.

kellmellus50 · Post #12 » by **kellmellus50** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:37 pm

TSE i agree on this :
Part of this is getting rid of the ball, part is some pocket mobility which Stafford does not have.Correction i would change (some to good) some still get's you sacked.Peyton and Brady also had better offensive lines.

The only way Stafford has a chance of being a better QB. The lions have to upgrade the offensive line (buckus gone) so he does not get hit and he can sit back their take all the time he needs to make a pass.
All you have to do is put a stopwatch on Stafford and see it takes him 1-2 seconds longer to make a deceision on what to do and if the line breaks down he's done.

Scott Mitcheal had a good offensive line for a short time and had a good season or two but once the line turned bad he was terriable and ran out of the NFL.

Scott and Stafford are simular but for them to be productive it's all depends on the offensive line to give them more time because they need it and they both can't run away from the defence.

Post #13 » by **Icness** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:27 pm

Kellemus: I think you nailed Stafford's biggest area in need of improvement--making quicker decisions with the ball. That's true of every young QB though and is the primary reason why so many QBs show major improvement from games 1-20 and games 21-40 in their careers. They get more comfortable at reading defenses and trusting what they see. Some QBs do it a little faster and a little better than others, and some never get it (Jay Cutler and Alex Smith come to mind). That's why the rest of this season is so critical for Stafford's development--he needs to make that leap between now and the beginning of next season. Hopefully he learned from Shaun Hill, who did a very good job of making quick decisions and trusting his reads and reacting to the rush.

IMO Stafford is a lot more mobile and better at avoiding the rush than y'all are giving him credit for being. He needs to learn how to protect himself when hit better. That's tough to teach and tougher to learn though. Sanchez has the same problem FWIW, so do Sam Bradford and Matt Ryan.

TSE · Post #14 » by **TSE** » Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:23 pm

Well being on the sideline so much hopefully he has mastered the look of the NFL defense by now. Maybe we run the table with the rest of our games. It's possible at least and nobody can take that away from us for the next couple days. GO LIONS!

kellmellus50 · Post #15 » by **kellmellus50** » Thu Nov 4, 2010 12:39 pm

The one good thing i can say about Stafford is every game their is an unbelivable throw he makes and you say wow how did he get that pass in there.

Example washington game 4th and 1 4min remaining down 20-25 he throws in between two defenders to CJ for a touchdown a perfect throw.