Webster Out 4-6/Traded for Damaged player? (Update pg 4)

[big3_8_19_21]

No! Web Head is out for over a month! Damn Portland and their fragility inducing training methods!

I know this message has nothing to do with basketball, but that Lesnar vs. Velasquez fight BLEW MY MIND. Especially considering it was right after that Shields vs. Kampmann snooze-fest. I CANNOT WAIT for Velasquez vs. dos Santos.

Epic avatar.

Yea Cain is a beast. I knew he was good but didn't think he was capable of that. He folded up Brock like a cheap suit. I hyped Cain up to my brother and even I was underrating him.

Yeah, he's been killing people since he stepped foot in the octagon. I haven't seen his fight with Kongo, that everybody points to as his only weak performance, though. I figured he would destroy Lesnar if he could keep it on the feet after seeing what he did to Minotauro, but of course I had my doubts that he could stay off his back against Lesnar. Boy was I wrong. The last 2 heavyweight title fights certainly have lived up to the hype...and I think the next one will, too.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I was completely surprised, I had no idea Cain had that kind of strength. Stuffed a takedown then stood up when Lesnar had him on the ground a little later on. I thought Lesnar was going to completely dominate him physically but he had nothing. Lesnar has some of the worst striking you can in a top contender, he needs to learn to box and get some head movement because he's just a big head target out there and if you can withstand his wresting, you can go toe to toe w/ him and knock the **** out of him. Big guys w/ some grappling ability like Carwin (despite the hail mary arm triangle) and now Cain have exposed brock big time

[PDXKnight]

Whoa, that sucks... Hopefully he can get back soon.

[big3_8_19_21]

Yeah, it basically came down to whether or not Cain could keep it on the feet. It was a bit of a foregone conclusion once he showed that he could.

Something that some of the guys on MMA Live (and Dana White) were alluding to was that Brock seems to just melt down once he takes a square shot on the chin. It doesn't seem like he's used to getting hit. He hasn't been knocked out clean, obviously, but his gets tagged and suddenly all strategy evaporates and goes into survival mode and just curls up.

Lesnar needs to change camps. He basically just trains with a bunch of wrestlers and then brings in one or two guys for each camp (Couture plus Florian's boxing coach when he fought Carwin and Pat Barry for this last camp). All the other top heavyweights train at arguably the 3 most prestigious training camps in all of MMA (Carwin at Greg Jackson's, dos Santos at Black House and Velasquez at AKA).

Cain vs. Junior dos Santos is going to be ridiculous, though. Carwin vs. Nelson should be a spectacle as well.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Carwin/Big Country has me thinking its going to be one of those uncomfortable fights where one guy (big country) takes way too much abuse but doesn't go down and remains just coherent enough where they can't really call the fight

[Esohny]

Carwin/Big Country has me thinking its going to be one of those uncomfortable fights where one guy (big country) takes way too much abuse but doesn't go down and remains just coherent enough where they can't really call the fight

Mmm. I don't really see that. If Carwin is landing shots, chubby is going out.

[john2jer]

I think what really stood out to me in the Brock/Cain fight was that Brock's never fought anyone that punches as fast as Cain. Brock had no time to gather himself. Cain just kept coming at him. I absolutely loved it because I hate Brock. I think I was one of like 5 people at BWWs cheering for Cain.

And I disgaree on the Shields/Kampmann fight. I was impressed by pretty boy.

[big3_8_19_21]

I think what really stood out to me in the Brock/Cain fight was that Brock's never fought anyone that punches as fast as Cain. Brock had no time to gather himself. Cain just kept coming at him. I absolutely loved it because I hate Brock. I think I was one of like 5 people at BWWs cheering for Cain.

And I disgaree on the Shields/Kampmann fight. I was impressed by pretty boy.

The entire bar I was at was supporting Velasquez. I don't know if anyone was cheering for Brock.

I mean, simply defeating Martin Kampmann is a pretty impressive feat, but compared to his last performance completely dismantling Dan Henderson, it wasn't at that same level. Supposedly he had some trouble with the weight cut coming back down from 185.

[big3_8_19_21]

Carwin/Big Country has me thinking its going to be one of those uncomfortable fights where one guy (big country) takes way too much abuse but doesn't go down and remains just coherent enough where they can't really call the fight

Mmm. I don't really see that. If Carwin is landing shots, chubby is going out.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/10/26/s ... 125-fight/

Carwin just announced that he's pulling out of the fight due to a back injury. Who else could really fill in there? If they want to keep it the co-headliner I have a hard time seeing anyone in the HW division as a big enough draw to be a co-headliner outside of Lesnar, Mir or Big Nog if he's over his injury yet. I don't see Lesnar back that soon, though.

I could also see them promoting Guida/Gomi to co-headliner and maybe doing big country vs. Travis Browne or someone like that on the card but not as the co-headliner.

[Esohny]

I think what really stood out to me in the Brock/Cain fight was that Brock's never fought anyone that punches as fast as Cain. Brock had no time to gather himself. Cain just kept coming at him. I absolutely loved it because I hate Brock. I think I was one of like 5 people at BWWs cheering for Cain.

And I disgaree on the Shields/Kampmann fight. I was impressed by pretty boy.

The entire bar I was at was supporting Velasquez. I don't know if anyone was cheering for Brock.

I mean, simply defeating Martin Kampmann is a pretty impressive feat, but compared to his last performance completely dismantling Dan Henderson, it wasn't at that same level. Supposedly he had some trouble with the weight cut coming back down from 185.

I didn't mind that fight at all. I enjoy seeing a fighter with high level jiu-jitsu work his technique. The only thing that surprised me was that even though Shields got mount like 5 times, he couldn't lock in the position. I'm not going to come down on him too much, since Kampman is a very good fighter, and Shields apparently cut 20 lbs in a day to make weight due to the transition from Middleweight to Welterweight. He should be in much better shape for his next fight.

[big3_8_19_21]

I think what really stood out to me in the Brock/Cain fight was that Brock's never fought anyone that punches as fast as Cain. Brock had no time to gather himself. Cain just kept coming at him. I absolutely loved it because I hate Brock. I think I was one of like 5 people at BWWs cheering for Cain.

And I disgaree on the Shields/Kampmann fight. I was impressed by pretty boy.

The entire bar I was at was supporting Velasquez. I don't know if anyone was cheering for Brock.

I mean, simply defeating Martin Kampmann is a pretty impressive feat, but compared to his last performance completely dismantling Dan Henderson, it wasn't at that same level. Supposedly he had some trouble with the weight cut coming back down from 185.

I didn't mind that fight at all. I enjoy seeing a fighter with high level jiu-jitsu work his technique. The only thing that surprised me was that even though Shields got mount like 5 times, he couldn't lock in the position. I'm not going to come down on him too much, since Kampman is a very good fighter, and Shields apparently cut 20 lbs in a day to make weight due to the transition from Middleweight to Welterweight. He should be in much better shape for his next fight.

Grappling and ground game can most definitely be fun to watch (every fight Clay Guida's ever been in for instance), and I enjoyed Shields vs. Hendo, I guess this fight just didn't strike my fancy. Often times a good submission is way more fun to see then a big KO (not that those aren't also awesome). Stevenson vs. Diaz last year is one of my favorite fights. Seeing Ben Askren put on a clinic against Dan Hornbuckle a few months back was pretty sweet as well. Off the top of my head I can't think of any KO this year that I prefer to the Silva vs. Sonnen and Werdum vs. Fedor submissions. Lyman Good was sooo close to doing the same thing to Ben Askren for the Bellator WW championship last week, if only he had committed to the triangle instead of the triangle/armbar combo. Tobey Imada's inverted triangle of Jorge Masvidal last year was INSANE.

I think we could have a whole thread dedicated to mma

[Klomp]

Are we seriously talking MMA?

[C.lupus]

Man, if you're going to go off topic, at least make it interesting.

[Basti]

Man, if you're going to go off topic, at least make it interesting.

[big3_8_19_21]

Are we seriously talking MMA?

absolutely.

I stopped watching the wolves about halfway through last season and went from casual now-and-again MMA fan to balls-out MMA fan. Now that it's a new season and there's a reason to watch the Wolves again, I'll be splitting time between the two. There's always something worth watching when the UFC or WEC puts on a fight card.

[Klomp]

According to a league source, the Timberwolves have asked the NBA to look into whether Portland knowingly traded them an injured player when the Blazers dealt Martell Webster to Minnesota for the 16th overall pick in last summer's draft.

Webster on Monday underwent surgery to repair a disk in his back and is expected to miss about six weeks. He said the injury dates to last spring's playoffs, when he was undercut and fell hard in a game against Phoenix.

The Wolves are likely looking for a draft pick as compensation.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/105925373.html

[Tha Juice]

That would be pretty sick if we got a 1st rounder out of the deal, but Stern hates the Wolves so I expect this whole thing to be just swept under the rug.

[mnWI]

That would be pretty sick if we got a 1st rounder out of the deal, but Stern hates the Wolves so I expect this whole thing to be just swept under the rug.

Or, the Wolves should go after their own medical staff whose job it is to find this type of thing before the trade becomes finalized with the NBA offices.

[Devilzsidewalk]

yea, don't they have physicals for this sort of thing

[TMo519]

Would a physical really catch something like this though? I mean, if it was kind of an underlying issue type of thing?

I agree though, it's kind of on you to catch something like this if at all possible, otherwise, it's basically just a risk maneuver. Plus, he didn't look like he had a single thing wrong with him early in the preseason when he was putting up those numbers. It just kind of developed as it went on. I don't think I can blame Portland for this.