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"Manny Ramirez would like to play for the Blue Jays"

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Re: "Manny Ramirez would like to play for the Blue Jays" 

Post#61 » by LBJSeizedMyID » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:16 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:I'm not talking about trading prospects for Manny Ramirez. I'm talking about follow up prospect for win now players, which Schadenfreude expressed concern about. Smoak for Lee would fit under this, as would if we traded Drabek in a similar deal

Another thing is as I said, we don't have 2008 David Price or 2009 Jason Heyworth in our system in our system. If we deal our prospects, we won't be losing future superstars.


Again apples and oranges. Cliff Lee is a bonafide top tier starter in which the Rangers only had to give up one prospect for (albeit a rental player). Greinke should be a buy low target, not someone you should give up two top tier prospects for. If you were to follow the model of the Doc Halladay trade, the Jays should only have to give up someone like Arencibia and a low minor league prospect.

Also you're argument about we won't be losing future superstars makes no sense. What do you consider a superstar? Young and a crazy amount of hype?
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Re: "Manny Ramirez would like to play for the Blue Jays" 

Post#62 » by Schad » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:44 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:
What if it goes the other way? What if we have a team who's one move away from the playoffs but don't make it cause of overrating a prospect who doesn't turn into anything?


Are we talking "one move away" at midseason, or before the season? If it's the latter, nothing is stopping us...if we're leading the division (not trailing by several games but convinced that trading for youth will lead to a miracle, as was the case this year), make moves. If we're talking about before the season, and operating on hope alone, it's a very silly thing to do.

What if Texas said "It's not worth it to sell out an elite prospect like Justin Smoak on a playoff chase, if it fails it could put us back years" then watched Smoak play like **** down the stretch while the Yankees rolled the AL with Sabathia and Lee


Texas is in an incredibly weak division...their threshold to make the playoffs was only 82 wins. And they made the trade when they were 50-35, and leading the division by 7.5 games. Yes, of course you go for a playoff run if you're virtually guaranteed to make the playoffs.

What if our team is more ready to contend the next 2 years than 2013, because Marcum, Bautista, Wells, Lind are all better than any of our current prospects are likely to be?


And what if they aren't? The likelihood of your scenario being correct is so bloody slim that it really doesn't merit serving as the basis for a plan...for years, we've criticized this team for being short-sighted, and now we unexpectedly finish a couple games above .500 and are angry because they aren't being short-sighted enough.

If AA thinks he can make a contender for the next 2 years and his numbers back it up, he should do it. We aren't far away. If for example we signed Manny and then did Drabek/JPA for Greinke, I think that'd put us in the mix


We are at least 10 wins away. That is a long distance to make up...Manny's only good for perhaps 2-3 wins in a good year (and that's being fairly generous; he's averaging 3 WAR over the last three years, and he wouldn't be taking over for a replacement-level player), and Greinke's good for perhaps 3-4 if all goes well.

So that puts us "in the mix", insofar as missing the playoffs by a few games rather than a lot of games is in the mix. But only if two famously-mercurial players hold up, and that out-of-nowhere 50 HR guy of ours remains at form, and Vernon Wells doesn't have his usual odd-year collapse, and none of our starters get injured, and our bullpen is stellar again.
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Re: "Manny Ramirez would like to play for the Blue Jays" 

Post#63 » by Morris_Shatford » Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:35 pm

Why not?
It really depends on how much.
We have some cash to toss around, and we have a need at DH.

As long as its not 2/30.
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Re: "Manny Ramirez would like to play for the Blue Jays" 

Post#64 » by EventHorizon » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:29 am

Like many said before, if its for the DH and not too expensive, it very likely he would help. Maybe mentor young players a little, help enhance their hitting, he is a future hall of famer after all.
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Re: "Manny Ramirez would like to play for the Blue Jays" 

Post#65 » by Kurtz » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:18 am

Doubt he'd settle for a year.

2 years, 10 per. Get'er done.
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Re: "Manny Ramirez would like to play for the Blue Jays" 

Post#66 » by distracted » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:15 pm

Thanks guys: now I'm going to have to check this site daily to see if we've signed him (or if the rumour mill is heating up).

I'm in for a long winter!

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