cartier martin????anyone

[carl25ph]

do you guys think cartier martin deserves a spot on a rebuilding team
you might wanna check his profile

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Cartier-Martin-381/


what do you guys think of him?????

[GhostsOfGil]

do you guys think cartier martin deserves a spot on a rebuilding team
you might wanna check his profile

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Cartier-Martin-381/


what do you guys think of him?????

he sure did earn a spot on the wizards rebuilding team last season. now that we signed howard i think hes not needed although we are in need of some more outside shooting..

[verbal8]

He is in camp with the Wizards, so he has a decent shot of getting the 13th or 14th roster spot. I think as much will depend on how NBA-ready Booker looks. If Booker looks like he is ready for minutes, Martin might not make the roster. However if a SF is needed until Howard comes back, then Martin would likely be the guy.

[pancakes3]

lester hudson's my "scrap player" of choice, actually.

[verbal8]

lester hudson's my "scrap player" of choice, actually.

There is room for both.

If I had to guess I would say that Martin has the edge due to the crowded backcourt and need at SF. Although if Nick Young seems to be suited to play SF, that would free up a spot for Hudson and probably crowd out Martin.

[doclinkin]

lester hudson's my "scrap player" of choice, actually.

There is room for both.

If I had to guess I would say that Martin has the edge due to the crowded backcourt and need at SF. Although if Nick Young seems to be suited to play SF, that would free up a spot for Hudson and probably crowd out Martin.

Both shot pretty well from threeland in summerleague. Lester Hudson hit something close to 50% from outside on a high volume of attempts. Despite the depth at point, he made the team think.

Outside shooting is a weakness for the squad. Though the only decent shooters we have are already concentrated in that combo guard spot. Maybe Nick if he can seize minutes at swing guard. John Wall's slashing attack begs for somebody on the wing to be able to hit from outside otherwise teams will double in the lanes.

On the one hand I like Hud. On the other hand we've seen the need to keep open spots on the roster for injury fill-in, or to call up a player that's tearing up the D-League. If either Hud or CMart play really well in camp, then okay they force a decision. But I don't think the team is pressed to fill up all slots on the roster.

[nate33]

We have a greater need for Martin than Hudson. Hudson would never play behind Wall, Arenas, HInrich and Young. At least two of those four players would have to get hurt for Hudson to even sniff playing time in a non-garbage time situation.

I can envision scenarios where Martin could play some SF even when everyone was healthy. He would be the best 3-point shooting SF on the team (except when Young plays SF). All it would take is for any one of Hinrich, Young, Arenas, Thornton or Howard to get hurt and Martin would probably sneak into the rotation as either a backup SG or a backup SF who can spread the floor.

[doclinkin]

We have a greater need for Martin than Hudson. Hudson would never play behind Wall, Arenas, HInrich and Young. At least two of those four players would have to get hurt for Hudson to even sniff playing time in a non-garbage time situation.

I can envision scenarios where Martin could play some SF even when everyone was healthy. He would be the best 3-point shooting SF on the team (except when Young plays SF). All it would take is for any one of Hinrich, Young, Arenas, Thornton or Howard to get hurt and Martin would probably sneak into the rotation as either a backup SG or a backup SF who can spread the floor.

Agreed on need. But I think Hud is the more talented of the two.

I think the Wiz were surprised at his play and their interest, and decided to see if he could force his way onto the team.

That said, the same equation works for Hud. Considering we're playing combo guards at 2, and Nick Young is the only true SG we've got, if either of Nick, Hinrich or Gil is unable to play then there's room for another attacking Guard on the team as well, even short as he is. Hudson is one of the only catch-and-shoot options on the team. His long arms and strong build help him rebound well for his position, and there's no doubting the head's up BBall IQ of one of the only cats to ever post a Quad double.

If he forces his way onto the team, I have no problem with it.

[fishercob]

We have a greater need for Martin than Hudson. Hudson would never play behind Wall, Arenas, HInrich and Young. At least two of those four players would have to get hurt for Hudson to even sniff playing time in a non-garbage time situation.

I can envision scenarios where Martin could play some SF even when everyone was healthy. He would be the best 3-point shooting SF on the team (except when Young plays SF). All it would take is for any one of Hinrich, Young, Arenas, Thornton or Howard to get hurt and Martin would probably sneak into the rotation as either a backup SG or a backup SF who can spread the floor.

Not so sure, nate. I think the interest in Hudson is somewhat born out of the fact that they want to relieve Gilbert of any PG duties so as to ease/maximize his transition to being a star two.

I also think that Young is not in the long term plan.

I could see them signing Hudson and him being the third PG.

[nate33]

We have a greater need for Martin than Hudson. Hudson would never play behind Wall, Arenas, HInrich and Young. At least two of those four players would have to get hurt for Hudson to even sniff playing time in a non-garbage time situation.

I can envision scenarios where Martin could play some SF even when everyone was healthy. He would be the best 3-point shooting SF on the team (except when Young plays SF). All it would take is for any one of Hinrich, Young, Arenas, Thornton or Howard to get hurt and Martin would probably sneak into the rotation as either a backup SG or a backup SF who can spread the floor.

Not so sure, nate. I think the interest in Hudson is somewhat born out of the fact that they want to relieve Gilbert of any PG duties so as to ease/maximize his transition to being a star two.

I also think that Young is not in the long term plan.

I could see them signing Hudson and him being the third PG.

Arenas isn't an idiot. He doesn't need any help easing his transition to SG. He'll be a full time SG at the start of the season, but if Hinrich or Wall gets hurt, Arenas will move over to handle some minutes at PG. The guy has been playing PG for 8 years; he can handle it. He can certainly handle it a lot better than Lester freaking Hudson.

When you are looking at a draft pick, talent outweighs need because you never know if the pick will pan out to be a star. If he is, you address the fit issue by adjusting the rest of your team to accomodate the star draft pick. When you are looking at a vet minimum free agent walk-on, there is literally no chance of him becoming a star. You will never shift the rest of your team around to accomodate the walk-on. Therefore, you sign the guy who is the best fit. Fit outweighs talent.

I don't have an objection to keeping both, but if we sign just one, I think it should be Martin.

Also, whether or not Young is in the long term plan is irrelevant. Hudson/Carter will surely be signed to one-year vet-minimum contracts. We aren't looking at the long term.

[carl25ph]

so u guys got your own bet on whos gonna be signed by the wiz.....
if they both get signed who do you guys think will be here all year??????????????

[go'stags]

I think it's important to keep in mind the type of team we are trying to build, both for this year and the future.

Sammy has stated multiple times that were going to be an aggressive, in your face defensive team, sometimes picking ball handlers up full court.I Personally love it, but regardless of how you feel, those were Sammy Cassell's words, not mine.

Now obviously if we are going to do that we need the right personnel. From our guards we need long,quick, and, most importantly, willing players. I think that is why, if we have to choose, Hudson is the guy we should go with.

This year is about laying a foundation. i believe we have the talent to sneak into the 8th spot, but what's most important is that we define how we play, develop chemistry, gain ref's support for defensive play, and come into the following year with all of our players 9and possibly draft picks) knowing exactly how we are going to play, and rallying behind it.

Hudson is definitely a better fit for a pressure defensive scheme than Martin. I'm not against keeping both by any measure, but Hudson himself has stated that his calling card is on the ball defense, his tenacity.He showed in summer league, yes I know it was summer league, that he is willing and somewhat capable of playing the style we want. It's 100% gravy that he is knocking the trey down.

I realize he won't play much, but with Wall, Gil, and Young seeing him bust his butt in practice, pressuring them,getting praise from Sammy and Flip and maybe even stealing some of their minutes because of it, that will motivate them to do the same. And we have enough scoring options for them to go balls out.

All that said, I like Cartier a lot and would like to see them both signed. With both on board, I beleive we would only have 14 players, so we would still have room to call up a d-league performer.

[fishercob]

We have a greater need for Martin than Hudson. Hudson would never play behind Wall, Arenas, HInrich and Young. At least two of those four players would have to get hurt for Hudson to even sniff playing time in a non-garbage time situation.

I can envision scenarios where Martin could play some SF even when everyone was healthy. He would be the best 3-point shooting SF on the team (except when Young plays SF). All it would take is for any one of Hinrich, Young, Arenas, Thornton or Howard to get hurt and Martin would probably sneak into the rotation as either a backup SG or a backup SF who can spread the floor.

Not so sure, nate. I think the interest in Hudson is somewhat born out of the fact that they want to relieve Gilbert of any PG duties so as to ease/maximize his transition to being a star two.

I also think that Young is not in the long term plan.

I could see them signing Hudson and him being the third PG.

Arenas isn't an idiot. He doesn't need any help easing his transition to SG. He'll be a full time SG at the start of the season, but if Hinrich or Wall gets hurt, Arenas will move over to handle some minutes at PG. The guy has been playing PG for 8 years; he can handle it. He can certainly handle it a lot better than Lester freaking Hudson.

When you are looking at a draft pick, talent outweighs need because you never know if the pick will pan out to be a star. If he is, you address the fit issue by adjusting the rest of your team to accomodate the star draft pick. When you are looking at a vet minimum free agent walk-on, there is literally no chance of him becoming a star. You will never shift the rest of your team around to accomodate the walk-on. Therefore, you sign the guy who is the best fit. Fit outweighs talent.

I don't have an objection to keeping both, but if we sign just one, I think it should be Martin.

Also, whether or not Young is in the long term plan is irrelevant. Hudson/Carter will surely be signed to one-year vet-minimum contracts. We aren't looking at the long term.

I know Gilbert isn't an idiot. I don't think one would have to be an idiot to struggle to adjust to a new position when you're being asked to play the old one too. While he can handle PG duties, it may be to a detriment his long-term development at the two.

In the first quarter of the season, Martin may be the better fit. But once Howard returns, he's going to have to fight Howard, Thornton, Booker, Yi and possibly Young for minutes at the 3.

If Wall-Gil clicks and we get good offers for Hinrich at the deadline, Hudson could be in line to back up the PG spot.

I'd choose Hudson between the two based on what I saw in SL. That said, if we're only signing one guy, Martin deserves a solid for hitting the shot against Indy that led to us getting Wall.

[fishercob]

EH, turns out it was the venerable Cedric Jackson, not Martin that beat Indy. Go with Hudson!

[closg00]

For Cartier Martin, one of the few players to give a damn last night, glad he's on the team.

[eitanr]

I actually think he deserves the starting sf slot at this point. I mean Thornton is half way out the door.

[jholmbe1]

I actually think he deserves the starting sf slot at this point. I mean Thornton is half way out the door.

he certainly deserves to be off the bench before awful nick young and thankfully flip agrees.

[verbal8]

I actually think he deserves the starting sf slot at this point. I mean Thornton is half way out the door.

I think it could be a good idea to start him against Atlanta. With Arenas out there is not much shooting. Thornton might be a good option when Arenas returns, but I think either Martin or Nick Young needs to be in the line-up and Martin is a lot better option.

[eitanr]

I actually think he deserves the starting sf slot at this point. I mean Thornton is half way out the door.

I think it could be a good idea to start him against Atlanta. With Arenas out there is not much shooting. Thornton might be a good option when Arenas returns, but I think either Martin or Nick Young needs to be in the line-up and Martin is a lot better option.

I actually think both Young and Martin need to be in the starting lineup against Atlanta. I think both give Wall the best chance to succeed early and feel good. With shooters and athletes on the perimeter Wall can do more attacking and run more pick and rolls which should at least get him into a good flow throughout the game.

Hinrich also could get major minutes, but off the bench. The bench will need someone to solidify them and they'll need some more IQ off the pine with Yi and Thornton there.

[Illuminaire]

Cartier Martin's hustle, tenacity, efficient play, solid defense and reasonable bball-IQ from last night can mean only one thing....










...... in six months he will be playing for the Spurs.