Official Countdown Grunfeld Era-2nd SuperStar?

closg00 · Post #21 » by **closg00** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:25 am

Hi guys, I am enjoying the Greek Islands right now 8-)

I agree on changing the name of this thread, I suggest: "The Official Ernie Watch Thread". Ernie's name appears once-again on the GM's on the hot-seat list.

Five GMs that could be the next to get the axe

Ernie Grunfeld, Washington Wizards
Yep, Grunfeld was gifted John Wall. And yep, Wall could potentially save a lot of people's jobs because he's really, really good. But the thing is, when you land a talent of Wall's caliber, the pressure immediately shifts to the GM. He's got to supply his new, shiny toy complementing pieces to make sure he succeeds. And so far, the jury's out as to if Grunfeld is doing that.

He's obviously trying to move Gilbert Arenas and his albatross of a contract to better make room for Wall. He brought in Kirk Hinrich who could be an excellent player next to Wall. He also grabbed Yi Jianlian from New Jersey. But the team doesn't figure to be a whole lot better this upcoming season and with some expectation in Wall, if he doesn't develop, it could the end for Grunfeld.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entr ... 4/23182298

Hoopalotta · Post #22 » by **Hoopalotta** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:40 am

^ I agree that Ernie should be on the list of GM's in some danger, but that article is well off as to the parameters that have been set out as to how success is going to be measured.

How anyone would think the moves mentioned were even loosely intended to make the team "a whole lot better this season" is beyond me. Would any general manager under pressure for a quick turnaround bring in Yi and Armstrong and let the small forward crop completely evaporate without making a contract offer?

Total amateur hour speculation there.

WizarDynasty · Post #23 » by **WizarDynasty** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:41 pm

When I see the wizards with a true consistent low post threat for significant stretch of games during the regular season, that's when i will rename the thread. Management needs to be given direction on how to develop our young bigs.

fishercob · Post #24 » by **fishercob** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:19 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:When I see the wizards with a true consistent low post threat for significant stretch of games during the regular season, that's when i will rename the thread. Management needs to be given direction on how to develop our young bigs.

Make sense. I'm pretty sure that management is basing it's strategies on thread titles here. Why do you think Michael Ruffin was here so long? He had his own shrine!

Post #25 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:17 pm

fishercob wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:When I see the wizards with a true consistent low post threat for significant stretch of games during the regular season, that's when i will rename the thread. Management needs to be given direction on how to develop our young bigs.

Make sense. I'm pretty sure that management is basing it's strategies on thread titles here. Why do you think Michael Ruffin was here so long? He had his own shrine!

closg00 · Post #26 » by **closg00** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:51 pm

In order to sign Howard, the Wizards had to renounce the rights to free agent James Singleton, which is merely a formality. The Wizards remain interested bringing back Singleton, who arrived in Washington along with Howard, or Fabricio Oberto to fill out their frontcourt.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizard ... steal.html

Bump!!!!! Ernie is considering bringing-back the O-Man.

Post #27 » by **nate33** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:16 pm

I copied this to the FA Thread.

WizarDynasty · Post #28 » by **WizarDynasty** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:13 am

well teh only reason i killed this thread before was because i thought the wizards were committed to blatche and or seraphin in the low post. Since Blatche is incapable of consistent low post offense and since the wizards have no immediately plans to develop Seraphin in the post, i think its time for Grunfeld to get the ax. Utah went out and got Jefferson, we gave number five draft pick for one year rentals. Last seven years we haven't had a post player Grunfeld and is vision have failed us tremendously. Yes john wall was the immediate pick getting a true post player was a higher priority. Had we executed a trade to get us a post player, Boozer, Jefferson... an established post player i wouldn't be calling for ernie to get axed. But now our only hope for any consistent offensive post player is a guy who can't even speak english fluently and we have no immediately plans to accelerate his nba development against quality competition.
Grunfeld needs to be fired.

Post #29 » by **LyricalRico** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:06 am

*Yawn*

Wow, it only took one game for people to start blaming Ernie for their own inflated predictions. Ted never said anything other than that this would be a rebuilding year. Anyone who thought otherwise has only themselves to blame for being disappointed.

Jimmy Recard · Post #30 » by **Jimmy Recard** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:56 am

Shouldn't the thread title read Ernie "NoLowPostDefense" Grunfeld?

closg00 · Post #31 » by **closg00** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:14 am

It's always a good thing to keep this thread around. It took Grunfeld 7 years to draft a supposed post player, but he can't even play during a blow-out. Worst front court in the NBA probably.

Post #32 » by **LyricalRico** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:06 pm

C'mon, we all knew Seraphin was going to take time to develop. We knew that pre-draft when a number of folks were drooling over the thought of getting him. Even a guy like me that loved the Hinrich+17 deal (in part because of Seraphin's potential) wasn't expecting him to play this season. And Ernie never sold him as an instant contributor. We're rebuilding so he took a chance on a guy with high upside that would take time to develop, and that's completely understandable.

Again I ask...why are people surprised?

Post #33 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:30 pm

nate33 wrote:BTW, I hate this thread title.

Lots of teams in this league don't have a low post offense. Heck, I'd venture to say that the Wizards with Blatche on the block have a better low post offense than half the teams in this league.

Yup, it's a myth that you need low post offense. Look at the 3 most successful teams last season: Lakers - all they had was Gasol - who mostly played facing the basket. Celtics - KG was not a low post scorer - they had nobody in that role. Cleveland (best regular season record) - no low post scorer except when Shaq played. When Shaq played, they were less effective.

closg00 · Post #34 » by **closg00** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:47 pm

LyricalRico wrote:C'mon, we all knew Seraphin was going to take time to develop. We knew that pre-draft when a number of folks were drooling over the thought of getting him. Even a guy like me that loved the Hinrich+17 deal (in part because of Seraphin's potential) wasn't expecting him to play this season. And Ernie never sold him as an instant contributor. We're rebuilding so he took a chance on a guy with high upside that would take time to develop, and that's completely understandable.

Again I ask...why are people surprised?

I was expecting someone who was raw, but could contribute 5-minutes a night. I was shocked to see Hamady play before him.

Post #35 » by **LyricalRico** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:35 pm

closg00 wrote:I was shocked to see Hamady play before him.

Maybe you should take that up with Flip. IIRC, last year Flip rotated which guys would be inactive. So maybe this was just Hamady's turn, and the next time the Wiz are in a "garbage time" situation, Seraphin will be active and then he'll play. It's one game, bro. Give it some time.

WizarDynasty · Post #36 » by **WizarDynasty** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:44 pm

[quote="Ruzious"][quote="nate33"]BTW, I hate this thread title.

Amare, boozer, perkins, gasol, howard, horford, Duncan, dirk, noah--

oklahoma isn't going anywhere they are basically cleveland cavalier.
the top 4 teams in both conferences usually have at least one consistent low post scorer that they can go to during clutch.
the only reason cleveland and oklahoma are the exception is because they have lebron james and Kevin Durant--who go the free throw line more than anyone in the history of the nba on B.S. calls.
No on this teams comes close to being able go the line 15 times a game like durant and james.

Hell got to the second round was because gilbert arenas went to line more than anyone in the league when he was healthy so he made up for not having a high percentage scorer.
We don't have on offensive low post scorer and we didn't trade for one either. there is not one player on this roster that can be an offensive threat in the post for at least 3 years and when we had assets we didn't trade to get one. Ernie needs to be shown the door. Wall was an easy pick. Booker to play full court press thinking he is a powerforward on center, not a small forward. what small forward suggest that they play full court press?
N'Diaye--who i think is the only hope of even unlocking SEraphin's potential because the HUGE language barrier is freakin' rookie himself.
Another season with out a legitimate offensive post threat and we aren't even commited to get the resources to quickly accelerate the only true post player's development and by the way our best post player is a rookie that can't speak english fluently and doesn't have an experienced veteran on the roster that can speak his language fluently.

Silvie Lysandra · Post #37 » by **Silvie Lysandra** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:07 pm

If McGee still sucks and Blatche is still hanging out at 18 feet by game 30 of this season, THEN fire Grunfeld. Otherwise, I'll be patient. Blatche is a face-up player anyway, he always has been.

DallasShalDune · Post #38 » by **DallasShalDune** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:42 pm

EG and Flip will both be given passes this season. If the Wizards struggle next year, then I bet one or both will be fired come late-November/December a-la Eddie Jordan.

And I agree with keeping EG and Flip until then. This year could lead to the playoffs, but if we make the playoffs this season, then we're ahead of schedule. I see the Wizards being mediocre this year, but the should improve next season. If there isn't any improvement between now and 365 days from now, then our coach and/or GM should be fired.

I trust Leonis thus far.

WizarDynasty · Post #39 » by **WizarDynasty** » Thu Dec 2, 2010 8:47 am

apparently grunfeld is back at it. Wants to trade for chronically knee injured rookie daniel orton and broken knee Vince Carter. I could understand if Grunfeld was trading arena for a long defensive small forward with a three ball like Aminu or Grabbing a rebound guzzling center like Kaman but he is not.

WizarDynasty · Post #40 » by **WizarDynasty** » Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:57 pm

Now trading Arenas for Rashard and orton..might not be too bad only if we feel that Rashard can guard Threes. His three point shooting would be highly valued here. i honestly would love to have Rashard over Thornton. I think Rashard is a better three point shooter than arenas and he does have decent length.