Fire Spoelstra

[HIF]

Ridiculously over-reacting, cliched, and boring.

edit: and not at all accurate, either.

Where were you 10 months ago? Ohhh that's right, you weren't watching the Heat. Hey, when I'm proven right I expect an apology.

Sorry if this sounds personal pants but you are a fool. Mopper has been one of the best posters we have had on this board for years. He actually thinks through what he writes before posting.

This thread is ridiculous and you deserve to go on the "blocked" thread along with the Lebron fan.



Sad how some heat fans (and I know that you are a REAL heat fan) just can't enjoy what they have.

[kapono24UCLA]

were 1-1

/thread

Open thread if we sitting at .500 after 50 games.

[Nupe_1911]

Spo. is a pretty bad offensive coach. This can not be disputed. The Heat offense is predicated on 1v1. It looks like the same offense from last year but with one additional player that can go 1v1 from the perimeter (LeBron). In fact, from what I have seen, the Heat are running less PnR and more 1v1 now.

LeBron, Wade and Bosh are good enough 1v1 players to assure that the Heat go real far but against the top tier teams during playoffs I don't know if a stagnant and slow 1v1 offense is going to get it done.

Also, why is Arroyo even starting?!?! What is that about. Wade and Bron handle the ball. Arroyo serves no purpose whatsoever.

I understand that the season has just started. However, this lackadaisical Spo. offense is nothing new.

[Chosen01]

Only gripe I have with Spo is starting Arroyo, START CHALMERS. PLEASE!

[indiegrind]

There were two coaches in the NBA last year that completely irritated me with their passive sideline dumb frustrated looks when things werent going right, without ever actually DOING something about it.

Eric Spoelstra and Mike Brown. My wife and I have been calling Spoelstra the same coach as Brown since early last season, and we think both have no business as a head coach in the nba. They are not authoratative enough, not reactive enough, and dont display the type of leadership and demand the type of respect to guide a top level team. They give too much deference to the high profile players rather than making personell decisions based upon performance

Giving Spoelstra control of this heat team is like giving a ferrari to a nervous senior citizen. He is not going to drive this ferrari like a ferrari, hes going to drive it like a 1979 oldsmobile.

Spoelstra as coach is about as usefull as Arroyo at point guard.

Hes a defensive specialist, yadda yadda, but if thats what he is, thats what he should be. If hes not going to run this offense at a high speed, to its ferrari potential, then he needs to give up the wheel and ride shotgun.

I say demote Spoelstra and bring in someone passionate and experienced who believes in the heat and has high expectations. Personally i think Jeff Van Gundy fits the description. Not only does he want to coach again, but he has been vocal above all others about his belief in the greatness of this team. He is clearly excited about this team, and believes that they will win multiple championships and even can break the season win record. Thats the type of passion and motivation the Heat needs to light a fire under their asses. He is an expert in the pick and roll which I think would greatly benefit this teams offense.

Not only would he be a more motivational and vocal head coach, but he would add a great dynamic to the florida Heat/Magic rivalry over the next several years when he battles his brother for supremacy in the eastern conference.


I know its going to take an epic failure to get rid of Spoelstra. Riley seemed to want to reward returning heat (Hence Anthony's contract, Arroyo starting, and Magloire still being around with Beverly and Butler getting cut and Dampier being available). I hope it doesnt have to come to that, but i'd still feel much better knowing there is a leader on the bench that can match the personalities on the floor.

[dolphinatik]

Spo is what he is, I would take the job too if it was handed to me. Its not like Spo has somewhat misrepresented himself and defrauded us all. Riley placed him in that position (maybe as an outlet for an easy return, who knows)

I dont mind Spo as Head coach but at least bring in an offensive minded assistant coach. Our assistants have been with the team like 13-16 years??? CMon get someone fresh in. always new Coaches and the same assistants... that makes no sense.

As ignorant as Tim Hardaway could be I think he could help this teams offensive philosophy as an assistant. I think Ron Roth is the one that needs to be replaced....not Spo.

Spo always consults his assistants for help... if nothing is changing , they are not giving him any new or different ideas.

Sad thing is this team is too good not to figure it out on their own.... too talented not to create their own offense on the fly. So we win regardless of whats going on with the coaching. Its sad because this could be a juggernaut of a team if pointed in the right direction.

Just because we will win should be jsut ignore our flaws and not try to get better?

[HIF]

So if we lose it's the coach, if we win it's the players.

erm no win situation.

No caoch has ever coached an 82-0 season even with seasoned teams. Get off the guys balls.

As someone said if we're a .5 team at 50 games and the reason is the coach then attack relentlessly if not STFU.

[indiegrind]

So if we lose it's the coach, if we win it's the players.

erm no win situation.

No caoch has ever coached an 82-0 season even with seasoned teams. Get off the guys balls.

As someone said if we're a .5 team at 50 games and the reason is the coach then attack relentlessly if not STFU.

Winning games doesnt make one a good coach.
Win or lose, i still think spoelstra is not a good coach. The shaky start this season has nothing to do with it.

Mike Brown was winning, and I absolutely thought he was terrible as a coach the entire time and would eventually be exposed when the chips are down and "coaching" matters. I'm not going to be on the spoelstra bandwagon if the heat win 70 games unless he steps out of his shell and completely becomes a different coach.

The nuggets with Karl were a contender, without Karl **** fell apart. I attribute the nuggets success in large part to George Karl's leadership and coaching style. George Karl makes the Nuggets better.

I really think any coach or assistant coach in the NBA can step into spoelstra's shoes and the heat will not do any worse or progess any slower than they would with spoelstra. Spoelstra unlike Karl does not make the heat better. Magloire does not make the heat better, Arroyo does not make the heat better.

[heat4life]

Wow, I had to dust off the ol' RealGM credentials just to reply to this ridiculous thread. To me, the OP shows too much passion and panic mixed together which usually leads to irrational and inconclusive posts such as the one that started this thread.

Let's take a chill pill and see where we are by the Lakers Christmas game.

[Nupe_1911]

So if we lose it's the coach, if we win it's the players.

erm no win situation.

No caoch has ever coached an 82-0 season even with seasoned teams. Get off the guys balls.

As someone said if we're a .5 team at 50 games and the reason is the coach then attack relentlessly if not STFU.

We can always depend on E. Spolestra aka HIF to defend himself vigorously on this forum. Mr. Spo. I suggest you spend more time instituting a real non-1v1 based offense and less time trolling this forum. OK, THX!

On a serious note, I will be more than happy to give Spo. credit when he does something coaching wise that merits praise. Simply throwing Bron, Wade and Bosh out there to play 1v1 is not coaching. The team should be running A LOT. Using picks and rolls A LOT. Posting Bosh and LeBron A LOT.

AND

Arroyo certainly should not be starting. The starting five should be

Wade
LeBron
James Jones
Bosh
Joel A.

That is right, LeBron and Wade are actually two of the best pg's in the NBA. GO FIGURE!!!!!!

[indiegrind]

IraHeatBeat

Erik Spoelstra's faith in Arroyo continues. Starting lineup tonight remains Joel Anthony, Chris Bosh, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Arroyo.

see this is the BS im talking about.

[Teddy Bruckshut]

Ridiculously over-reacting, cliched, and boring.

edit: and not at all accurate, either.

Well damn.

[HeatSince88]

I find it ironic that people call for "more running" out of the starting lineup while also calling to replace Arroyo with James Jones.

News flash for you: when JJ touches the ball on the break, there is no more break. He needs to wait until an actual ball-handler rescues him.

I too am frustrated by some of Spo's decisions thus far, including the reliance on Arroyo when his strengths/weaknesses obviously don't complement the Big 3, but I really wish you guys would stop and think about whether having all your wishes come true is even possible. I think you'll find you have to choose between two opposing ideas, just like Spo does.

Like H4L said, let's see where we're at in 2 months.

I'm remembering when we traded for Shaq and intially started Rasual Butler at SF. Made some sense on paper, but that lineup just wasn't getting it done. Then a few weeks in, once that lineup had more than just 20 minutes together to prove itself but still looked flat, Stan pulled the plug and changed things up. Then we took off. Give Spo the same time to test similar variations fully -- it's not time to panic after 2 games, people.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

the better we get as a team .. the more problems people find.
the game thread is literally people waiting for someone to mess up to complain.

Spos a good coach, hell adjust .. but not after just 2 games.

[Elisebas17]

People, take it easy. The season has just started. It's going to take some time for James, Wade, and Bosh to get used to playing with each other. It will happen. Right now it seems that there is not a established game style. They have to decide whether they want to play half court game(without a true center will be though), or the run gun game (more likely). PG situation: Chalmers and Arroyo are both Inconsistent with their jump shots. Chalmers has a good 3 point range and Arroyo has a good jump shot. So far House has shown the best option as he is shooting at a high percentage.

My honest opinion is that the team is not playing collectively or as a team. Either Lebron or Wade wants to score all the time, and they don't know when the ball is coming to their hands (decision making is has been terrible resulting in hight TO's/ per game). Somebody has to give up something. We can't be pointing fingers at anybody. If anything they should blame the BIG threes for over 20 turnovers over the first two games. If their shots are not falling, help your teammates re-gain their confidence and make them better. Bottom line they need to get off the individualism mindset and get back to more of a European style game (collective effort).

Peace out!!

[HIF]

Golden state scored a lot of points over the last couple of years, their coach changed the starting lineup nearly every game and certainly didn't stick to any boring scheduled rotation type idea. They must've been to a couple of finals and won one or two.


oh just checked - they didn't.

We have one of the best defensive minded coaches in the league, we are building our success on defense. Accept it and move on.

[heat4life]

We have one of the best defensive minded coaches in the league, we are building our success on defense. Accept it and move on.

I am extremely surprised as experienced and knowledgeable as some people pretend to be on these boards, that nobody has expanded on the fact that we held a loaded Boston team to 88 points and a very offensive talented team in Philly to 87. I am sure coach Spo has nothing to do with that...

The Heat worked on defense most of camp. Like every Pat Riley led/ran team ever, the recipe for success is defense. These guys are just TOO talented to not be a factor on the offensive end. The offense WILL come with more time together. A motion offense like the one Spo is trying to instill takes time because it requires lots of movement, positioning and chemistry on the P&R.

Players are having a hard time executing and it is due to lack of familiarity. How do you solve that? With game-time experience. On the other hand, let's applaud the fact that our defense has looked solid and it will probably get better with more time together on the court.

Once players know where each other stand on the court, trust rotations and movements, we are looking at a very good team. IMO, the only thing that will make us struggle is if our players are not hitting their 3pt shots. It would make it difficult to open space for our stars to attack the basket and it would even out the fast break advantage we have.

[Nupe_1911]

We have one of the best defensive minded coaches in the league, we are building our success on defense. Accept it and move on.

Because, clearly the Heat can not be a good offensive and defensive team simultaneously

[5ickwithitxx]

Defense wins championships.

[Mind Bullets]

the better we get as a team .. the more problems people find.
the game thread is literally people waiting for someone to mess up to complain.

Spos a good coach, hell adjust .. but not after just 2 games.

What has he shown you over the last 2 seasons to make you think that hes capable of running this offense? This collection of brilliant offensive players needs a brilliant offensive mind to coach them!

Don't give me any of that...but Spo gets them to play D nonsense! Its pretty evident that this bunch grasps the fact that you don't win rings without D.

I'm not calling for his head...way too early for that...but i'm nowhere near sold on Spo being the coach of a future dynasty!