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Rambis and Love not feuding and other news 

Post#1 » by C.lupus » Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:27 am

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolve ... LD_Bc75DiU
First, Love: He said he understood the decision, said he felt he had let opening-game jitters perhaps force him out of his game and said he was on the bench, cheering for his teammates, down the stretch. He said Anthony Tolliver deserved to keep playing, given the energy Tolliver was expending on defense. Love also said he wasn't frustrated right now. If it were game 65, and the team was fighting for a playoff spot? Then it might be different. He also said his not talking to the media after the game had more to do with his needing to meet up with a friend who was in town for the night for a late dinner than any perception that he was peeved. "I understood (Rambis' decision)," Love said. "I thought, after last year, I handled it like a man. And, in that situation, Anthony stepped up and played great down the stretch. I think, defensively, throughout the game, we had lapses. We went away from what we did in the preseason. In that situation Anthony was playing great. You have to give credit to him.

Now, Rambis: He said he talked with Love before Wednesday's practice. "Kevin completely understood the decision and he was 100 percent behind it," Rambis said. "Having said that, every single player wants to be on the floor all the time. i want players like that.."

Rambis wouldn't say specifically that it was Love's defense that put him on the bench. He reiterated his post-game mantra that it was not about Love, it was about what Tolliver was doing well. He repeated his belief that a team is better when the players all know there is someone on the bench the coach can turn to if things are going well. But he also said that, when a young team sees that rule being applied to everyone -- even a perceived leader of the team -- it can send a good message. "With young ball clubs, in particular, yes," Rambis said. "It helps everybody understand that the rules apply to everybody, that there are no exceptions."



Also of note:
the Wolves will exercise 20011-12 contract options by Monday to second- and third-year players Michael Beasley, Love, Jonny Flynn, Kosta Koufos and Wayne Ellington. But there is no contract extension forthcoming with fourth-year swingman Corey Brewer, who will become a restricted free agent next summer if the Wolves make him a qualifying offer after the season.
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Post#2 » by Klomp » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:08 am

He repeated his belief that a team is better when the players all know there is someone on the bench the coach can turn to if things are going well. But he also said that, when a young team sees that rule being applied to everyone -- even a perceived leader of the team -- it can send a good message. "With young ball clubs, in particular, yes," Rambis said. "It helps everybody understand that the rules apply to everybody, that there are no exceptions."


This is what I liked most out of this. No player should be put ahead of the team. Especially on a young team where no one has established themselves as a bonafide NBA star. There is no I in TEAM last I checked.
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Post#3 » by TheProdigy » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:31 am

I have no problem with Rambis making an example out of someone. To be honest, Love didn't exactly deserve to be in at the end of the game. Besides the early rebounding and 3 pointers he wasn't playing that great. I should have counted how many times his man hit fade away shots without him even putting his arms up to contest. BAD defense.

It seems like Love hasn't really improved his main offensive weakness that much(post moves). On the other hand he's once again improved in areas where he was already very good with distance shooting and scrappiness on the offensive glass. He just needs to stick with what works for him and stop trying to be "the guy". That goes for quite a few other people as well. Lots of guys didn't know their role last night. Take Bassy for example... Sure he made his shots, but our 3rd string pg needs to initiate the offense instead of chucking.

Oh well... Only one game and we're young. Guys need to learn their roles and settle in. Once that happens we'll be seeing some exciting and competitive ball.
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Post#4 » by Winter Wonder » Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:45 am

Klomp wrote:There is no I in TEAM last I checked.


There is no I, but there is a ME.

Just sayin/just playin.

And I get where Rambis is coming from. As a coach, you have to lay down rules and make everyone toe the line. That said, and maybe I am off here, but I still think he gave Love a shorter leash than he should have. Tolliver huslted, played well, I am a fan, and we share the same Alum, but he wasn't perfect either and some of his hustle put him out of position for rebounds and put backs. I rather have more effort out there than not enough, but I would have given Love one more chance to prove himself, but again, that's just me.
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Post#5 » by Klomp » Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:25 am

Winter Wonder wrote:Tolliver huslted, played well, I am a fan, and we share the same Alum, but he wasn't perfect either and some of his hustle put him out of position for rebounds and put backs.

Huh?
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Post#6 » by pumunga » Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:48 am

Klomp wrote:
He repeated his belief that a team is better when the players all know there is someone on the bench the coach can turn to if things are going well. But he also said that, when a young team sees that rule being applied to everyone -- even a perceived leader of the team -- it can send a good message. "With young ball clubs, in particular, yes," Rambis said. "It helps everybody understand that the rules apply to everybody, that there are no exceptions."


This is what I liked most out of this. No player should be put ahead of the team. Especially on a young team where no one has established themselves as a bonafide NBA star. There is no I in TEAM last I checked.


If your always thinking the man on the bench is foaming at the mouth for you to make a mistake, then your going to possibly play conservative .. or else if your always thinking there is a guy behind you then that player is going to try to do everything out there and be the hero and start forcing up shots (be the "I" in team).

I see what hes trying to do, and understand it, but.. you need your best players in at the end of the game, gonna go ahead and say we woulda won that game if Love was in there crunch time.
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Post#7 » by Klomp » Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:54 am

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He repeated his belief that a team is better when the players all know there is someone on the bench the coach can turn to if things are going well. But he also said that, when a young team sees that rule being applied to everyone -- even a perceived leader of the team -- it can send a good message. "With young ball clubs, in particular, yes," Rambis said. "It helps everybody understand that the rules apply to everybody, that there are no exceptions."


This is what I liked most out of this. No player should be put ahead of the team. Especially on a young team where no one has established themselves as a bonafide NBA star. There is no I in TEAM last I checked.


If your always thinking the man on the bench is foaming at the mouth for you to make a mistake, then your going to possibly play conservative .. or else if your always thinking there is a guy behind you then that player is going to try to do everything out there and be the hero and start forcing up shots (be the "I" in team).

I see what hes trying to do, and understand it, but.. you need your best players in at the end of the game, gonna go ahead and say we woulda won that game if Love was in there crunch time.


Wrong.

If you think the coach isn't going to pull you, you'll start playing recklessly. If you know theres a guy behind you waiting, you're going to do whatever it takes so that the coach won't make the switch.
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Post#8 » by Worm Guts » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:33 pm

I'm OK with Rambis holding players accountable, but I don't necessarily think it should be on a game by game or minute by minute basis. If Love plays like crap for 10 games, fine, let Tolliver have some of his minutes but we've got a lot more invested in Love. He needs to play.
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Post#9 » by Worm Guts » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:46 pm

Klomp wrote:
If your always thinking the man on the bench is foaming at the mouth for you to make a mistake, then your going to possibly play conservative .. or else if your always thinking there is a guy behind you then that player is going to try to do everything out there and be the hero and start forcing up shots (be the "I" in team).

I see what hes trying to do, and understand it, but.. you need your best players in at the end of the game, gonna go ahead and say we woulda won that game if Love was in there crunch time.


Wrong.

If you think the coach isn't going to pull you, you'll start playing recklessly. If you know theres a guy behind you waiting, you're going to do whatever it takes so that the coach won't make the switch.


It's neither right nor wrong, it's going to depend on the player. I just think you'd rather have your best player out there at crunch time. I'd rank my best players by how they've played over the past year, not how they've played over the last 5 minutes.
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Post#10 » by Dewey » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:51 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I'm OK with Rambis holding players accountable, but I don't necessarily think it should be on a game by game or minute by minute basis. If Love plays like crap for 10 games, fine, let Tolliver have some of his minutes but we've got a lot more invested in Love. He needs to play.


Agree.

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Winter Wonder wrote:Tolliver huslted, played well, I am a fan, and we share the same Alum, but he wasn't perfect either and some of his hustle put him out of position for rebounds and put backs.

Huh?


Agree with WW. The difference was Tolliver was allowed to play through mistakes due to hustle.

The message is simple ... outwork the opponent and you stay on the floor with the opportunity to play through mistakes. Love is the superior player, but he and Rambis BOTH better get their crap together. Rambis needs Love on the floor to rebound and Love needs apply himself more emotionally and effort-wise. The only reason Love should ever come off the floor is due to physical exhaustion from his effot. This will take him to the next level. The wanna-be zen master Rambis better take some accountability in how he's handling the situation. The herky jerky style may work for one player, but not another ... pick up the phone and call Phil ... swallow some pride maybe.
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Post#11 » by Winter Wonder » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:31 pm

Klomp wrote:
Winter Wonder wrote:Tolliver huslted, played well, I am a fan, and we share the same Alum, but he wasn't perfect either and some of his hustle put him out of position for rebounds and put backs.

Huh?


"shared the same Alum" meant (though my hurried grammar was incorrect here) that both AT and I went to Creighton University, though at different times. So I am a fan of a fellow graduate of my alma mater
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Post#12 » by john2jer » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:38 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I'm OK with Rambis holding players accountable, but I don't necessarily think it should be on a game by game or minute by minute basis. If Love plays like crap for 10 games, fine, let Tolliver have some of his minutes but we've got a lot more invested in Love. He needs to play.


This is exactly how I feel.

And it makes me wonder, was Rambis sending a message for the sake of sending a message? Then that's just dumb. You don't make an example out of someone unless it's actually deserved. Love is supposed to be one of the building blocks of your franchise, you don't screw with him on game 1.
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Post#13 » by C.lupus » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:48 pm

I don't have a problem with how Rambis is handling Love as long as he is communicating to Kevin why he is sitting. Rambis knows Love is a cornerstone of the franchise and he is giving him the "tough love" treatment. Seems to me he has him on a short leash because Love seems to have a pretty big ego and he strikes me as one that has a sense of entitlement. Rambis is trying to tell him that nobody will be given anything - everything must be earned. If he can get that message through to KL, then Love will be a better player and a better teammate and it could pay off in more wins down the road.
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Post#14 » by sutrick » Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:25 pm

I have to disagree with most of the posts. This was a game that should have been won and required Love to be out there for at least the last 6 minutes of the game. Love is the franchise player, someone that almost any other NBA team would trade for and he needs to play. He sat too much last year. Love is bad on defense and if you want to make a point Rambis you sit him down and tell him why but let your star redeem himself by bringing him back in.

Rambis and Hahn seem to be quite a pair
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Post#15 » by john2jer » Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:32 pm

sutrick wrote:I have to disagree with most of the posts. This was a game that should have been won and required Love to be out there for at least the last 6 minutes of the game. Love is the franchise player, someone that almost any other NBA team would trade for and he needs to play. He sat too much last year. Love is bad on defense and if you want to make a point Rambis you sit him down and tell him why but let your star redeem himself by bringing him back in.

Rambis and Hahn seem to be quite a pair


Who?
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Post#16 » by Whateva » Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:20 pm

Love is the best player in the Wolves. How can he not play more than Tolliver ?
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Post#17 » by Esohny » Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:45 pm

Whateva wrote:Love is the best player in the Wolves. How can he not play more than Tolliver ?


Reading the quotes from the coach that have been provided in the thread might help here.
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Post#18 » by Klomp » Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:21 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I just think you'd rather have your best player out there at crunch time.


Like Rambis said, Love being the best player is your opinion. (Although I agree with that opinion)

Needless to say he wasn't the best player in the game. Plus, its not like he has a history of being a go-to scorer and late game closer like Kobe, Wade, or 4th quarter Foye (yeah, I said it).
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Post#19 » by mandurugo » Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:27 pm

sutrick wrote:I have to disagree with most of the posts. This was a game that should have been won and required Love to be out there for at least the last 6 minutes of the game. Love is the franchise player, someone that almost any other NBA team would trade for and he needs to play. He sat too much last year. Love is bad on defense and if you want to make a point Rambis you sit him down and tell him why but let your star redeem himself by bringing him back in.

Rambis and Hahn seem to be quite a pair


Love is a medium good starter. He's not a franchise player.
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Post#20 » by john2jer » Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:27 pm

Love definitely ain't no Foye.
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