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[pillwenney]

Mitch Richmond was a better player than Kevin Martin.

There is zero evidence that Kevin was a cancer. None.

We traded Kevin because we had two guards that were main scoring threats and no bigs that were. So trading him for Carl Landry made sense. It's not that hard to see.

[Wolfay]

Mitch Richmond was a better player than Kevin Martin.

There is zero evidence that Kevin was a cancer. None.

We traded Kevin because we had two guards that were main scoring threats and no bigs that were. So trading him for Carl Landry made sense. It's not that hard to see.

This is getting hilarious. You Martin guys are like a cult. He literally can do no wrong.

I remember a story coming from the Bee that Martin and Westphal were having issues, and what happened to the much hyped Evans/Martin backcourt? What difference does it make where the offense come from? "They were supposed to be unstoppable man!" "They fitted each other perfectly!"

An Ellis/Curry backcourt sure doesn't seem to have a problem. They just dropped 71 points on Martin's "solid" defense.

Bottom line, Martin didn't want to be a part of this team anymore. His whole "nice guy" image was just a façade. Couple that with his soft playing style and it was an easy decision to make for Petrie. Get rid of him.

[SacTownKings4Life]

LOL. I knew you would show up. I'm freakin' psychic.

Mitch Richmond willed us to the playoffs one year without any talent around him, but not Kevin Martin. 17 wins is good enough as long as he pads his stats and gets that fat contract, and it was pretty obvious from the news coming out of the locker room that Martin was being a cancer. He was chucking away to his heart's content at the expense of Tyreke. His ego couldn't handle Tyreke being a superior player, and it shouldn't be any surprise that the losses piled up. Why else do you think Petrie traded that loser away? And it's not like it was a "wow" deal either. Landry and peanuts. Martin certainly wasn't untouchable.

Go to the Rockets forum. They're having the same conversations that we had last year. They're realizing that his play is not conducive to winning basketball. All of his efficiency doesn't mean squat if he gives up as many or more points on the other end. On the Warriors board the other night they characterized Martin as a black hole, and they're right (and I'm not one to agree with Warriors fans).

EDIT: And what's really funny about the trade is that Morey probably thought he **** us over using his fancy Moneyball analysis, but little does he know that there's a whole lot more to basketball than stats. Thank God Petrie knows that.

Seriously dude, did Kevin Martin like kill a family member or close friend of yours or something? You don't have to necessarily like the guy, but the pure hatred you have for the guy is damn near Lebron-esque.

How on earth can you compare Kevin Martin to Mitch Richmond? What, just because he just so happens to be the best offensive shooting guard we've had SINCE Mitch (by default) means he's supposed to BE Mitch? We're talking about a five time all star here. He's better than Martin. Like LEAGUES ahead of him. That's obvious. We know that. What exactly are you looking for? Your arguments are ridiculous. It's like you are desperate to grasp at something, ANYTHING to support your anti-Martin agenda. And again I ask you, how many games did Martin and Tyreke actually PLAY TOGETHER for you to say that he "chucked at tyreke's expense"? You act as if it was a season-long thing.

I mean yeah, I'll give you this - they didn't appear to gel together very well, given that their first games together happened to coincide with their longest road trip of the season. No training camp, no nothing. Just thrown to the wolves. And a couple weeks later, he's gone. What an @zz, huh? Why the hell didn't he just flip a switch and instantly fit right in? After all, everybody ELSE does! You're right, this Martin guy is a real bum...
That being said, why is it that this year we have suddenly been struggling to find somebody who can shoot the ball with some consistency?

Here's a thought. Perhaps the losses piled up because (oh, I don't know...) IT WAS A BAD TEAM? In the world that you live in, is it possible to comprehend the concept that bad teams tend to amass an abundant number of losses over the course of seasons as a consequence of not being very good? Or is it in all occasions the fault of one man? I suppose you must have been popping champagne after our GLORIOUS improvement of a whopping 25 wins without that "cancer" dragging down our team...

[RoyalCourtJestr]

Martin didn't fit with our offense - I was once a huge supporter of keeping him - but he didn't fit. However, he wasn't a cancer. There is some irrational Martin hatred.

[pillwenney]

Martin didn't fit with our offense - I was once a huge supporter of keeping him - but he didn't fit. However, he wasn't a cancer. There is some irrational Martin hatred.

Exactly.

Wolfay, you're putting words in my mouth and arguing points I'm not even making. I have always readily acknowledged Kevin's faults. In most situations, he's not a very good defender, he can't make plays for others, he's injury-prone and a terrible option in the clutch. This doesn't mean that he's a cancer that should be blamed for all of the team's faults. Your proof that he is a cancer: "I think I remember hearing something about him and Westphal having problems" (him and about 1/3rd of our roster last year if that's even true) and that he didn't fit with Tyreke.

I'm sure you'll now say that you're not blaming the bad win totals on him, but by blaming the team's record on him, that is implicitly what you're doing.

Over all, my main point isn't "Martin was great and nobody liked him! " My main point is "Jesus Christ dude, listen to yourself and chill out a little."

[wiltchamberlain]

+1 to the confusion over Kevin Marin Hatred. He had several faults, but to call him a cancer is hilariously irrational.

[KingInExile]

Even I don't think Martin was a "cancer". I thought he was a frail, one-dimensional player who faded late in games too many times...basically he was Peja Jr. But cancer? Nope, not going that far.

[tgo2223]

Sixers fan here. I gotta tell you guys, yall were right. Hawes sucks. Poor sixers tricked again. Like a chocolet coverd peice of sh*t

[RIPskaterdude]

Sixers fan here. I gotta tell you guys, yall were right. Hawes sucks. Poor sixers tricked again. Like a chocolet coverd peice of sh*t

Now you know why we were so excited to another big man, even if its only Dale, for Hawes + Noci. Hawes should not be a starting C for a NBA team.

[Wolfay]

So I have to have some irrational hatred to be angry at him?



And perhaps calling him a cancer is a going a little far, but he sure as hell wasn't being a team player in his stint with Tyreke. I don't know how many games they played together, but I do know it was enough for Petrie to make up his mind. Martin had already checked out mentally by the time he healed from his injury. Either he didn't care anymore or he wanted out. That's what angers me most.

[pillwenney]

So I have to have some irrational hatred to be angry at him?



And perhaps calling him a cancer is a going a little far, but he sure as hell wasn't being a team player in his stint with Tyreke. I don't know how many games they played together, but I do know it was enough for Petrie to make up his mind. Martin had already checked out mentally by the time he healed from his injury. Either he didn't care anymore or he wanted out. That's what angers me most.

I just don't think you have solid evidence for that.

And again, trading somebody doesn't mean you think they were a bad person. We did, after all, get Carl Landry in the deal.

[Wolfay]

So I have to have some irrational hatred to be angry at him?



And perhaps calling him a cancer is a going a little far, but he sure as hell wasn't being a team player in his stint with Tyreke. I don't know how many games they played together, but I do know it was enough for Petrie to make up his mind. Martin had already checked out mentally by the time he healed from his injury. Either he didn't care anymore or he wanted out. That's what angers me most.

I just don't think you have solid evidence for that.

And again, trading somebody doesn't mean you think they were a bad person. We did, after all, get Carl Landry in the deal.

Nothing concrete. I know Martin was taking an awful lot of shots, more than he should've in my opinion. I can't prove it, but the body language on the court by Martin was less than enthusiastic, and there was the trade of course.

My anger doesn't come out of thin air, I assure everyone. If I felt Martin was contributing positively on the team, I would've praised it like any I would do with any other Kings player.

[SacKingZZZ]

Shelden Williams decided to not be a bust anymore. Dudes beasting on the boards and on D this year.

[Kingsforlife]

Shelden Williams decided to not be a bust anymore. Dudes beasting on the boards and on D this year.

lol i saw this stats, Dennis Rodman like