accountability for turnovers

[fatlever]

i cringe everytime jax touches the ball. i dont think i have every watched a player who routinely makes such bad decisions with the ball and never suffers any type of consequences from the coach. at what point does LB send a message to jax that his lazy turnovers are not acceptable?

LB talks about how turnovers are the biggest problem for this team. yet he sits and watches the same players make the same unforced turnovers over and over and nothing is ever done.

[Jaruff]

IMO, anyone that gets more than three in a half should be benched for the rest of the half. Anyone that gets more than five should be benched for the rest of the game, even if they're putting up stats and playing well. We turn the ball over way too much.

[BigSlam]

Larry Brown is accountable.

LET DJ BE OUR PG.

[fatlever]

Larry Brown is accountable.

LET DJ BE OUR PG.

i am really starting to come around on the idea of letting dj handle the ball 90% of the time and let him make more decisions. it is clear that jax, tyrus, wallace and diaw cannot be trusted to take care of the ball out away from the basket.

[ohara]

Larry Brown is accountable.

LET DJ BE OUR PG.

i am really starting to come around on the idea of letting dj handle the ball 90% of the time and let him make more decisions. it is clear that jax, tyrus, wallace and diaw cannot be trusted to take care of the ball out away from the basket.

I will 3rd that opinion. I am really disappointed in how Crash is handling the ball. Jax did this last year, but this year Crash has been very sloppy with TO's.

[Marvel]

Seriously, i think the moment LB decided to have Jax and Doris play the pg/run our offense it was over before it began.LB needs to let the pg run the team/offense,hell DJ might cough it up a dozen times over the next 3-4 games but that's the process of learning.We should not be running an offense with a pf and our sg making plays for us.It's not like we're running the triangle here.
Let DJ run our offense,but what do i know LB's a HOF coach

[fatlever]

you cant have 3 players on the floor at the same time trying to play pg. it just doesnt work. i think its time to move diaw to the bench and start tyrus and try to keep it so that those 3 arent all on the floor together, or at least as little as possible.

[Jaruff]

you cant have 3 players on the floor at the same time trying to play pg. it just doesnt work. i think its time to move diaw to the bench and start tyrus and try to keep it so that those 3 arent all on the floor together, or at least as little as possible.

Well, I think Washington's going to try it this season. If you have good chemistry it should work. We should have good chemistry but if we did, we'd have at least one win right now.

[Fred Williamson]

LB talks about how turnovers are the biggest problem for this team. yet he sits and watches the same players make the same unforced turnovers over and over and nothing is ever done.

this. 10000000times.

His lovefest for veterans is ridiculous. As is his hatred for young players. Yet, his veterans are the ones who mess it up the most, but he does not give a damn and keeps them on the floor. I mean, remember guys like Larry Hughes, Flip and Graham. Most of the time they were AWFUL offensively and kept launching threes all day long, even though LB always says he doesn't want his player to shoot it from outside, especially not at the high and uneffective rate like Hughes and Jax do.

Another thing is, there are/were basically only two types of players on this team. Chuckers and athletic tweeners who are offensively one dimensional. DJ is an expection and Boris just doesn't get it done.

Now how do you want be successfull, if you keep on acquiring these useless players?

[BigSlam]

Larry dont like those whities.

[fatlever]

perfect example was the jax game last year vs the clippers. that was the worst game i have ever seen from a bobcats player. jax was awful the entire game. forcing bad shots, turning the ball over, holding the ball, arguing with the refs, settling for jumpers. however, LB played him 40 mins. i'm sure jax is a tough guy to deal with and benching him for poor play might have long lasting consequences, but at some point LB has to take a stand against players who are not doing what they are supposed to be doing. i can forgive a player for having a bad shooting night, especially if the shots are good shots in the flow of the offense. i can forgive a player for having turnovers that are a result of hustle and hard aggressive play. but you cant allow a player to undermine the philosophy of the team over and over. LB is a HOF coach, so i try not to question what he is doing, but its getting to the point where i just have to say to my self WHAT THE **** larry?

[Bassman]

you cant have 3 players on the floor at the same time trying to play pg. it just doesnt work. i think its time to move diaw to the bench and start tyrus and try to keep it so that those 3 arent all on the floor together, or at least as little as possible.

AGREED!! Tyrus is making his share of mistakes, but he is also bringing lots more effort, energy and effectiveness than Diaw. Perhaps with more minutes, or with starting games versus entering off the bench, his game will take a more mature approach. Indeed, let DJ BE THE POINT GUARD. If he grows into that role to go with his scoring, we will be better off than leaning on Jax and DIaw to be creators.

[BigSlam]

perfect example was the jax game last year vs the clippers. that was the worst game i have ever seen from a bobcats player. jax was awful the entire game. forcing bad shots, turning the ball over, holding the ball, arguing with the refs, settling for jumpers. however, LB played him 40 mins. i'm sure jax is a tough guy to deal with and benching him for poor play might have long lasting consequences, but at some point LB has to take a stand against players who are not doing what they are supposed to be doing. i can forgive a player for having a bad shooting night, especially if the shots are good shots in the flow of the offense. i can forgive a player for having turnovers that are a result of hustle and hard aggressive play. but you cant allow a player to undermine the philosophy of the team over and over. LB is a HOF coach, so i try not to question what he is doing, but its getting to the point where i just have to say to my self WHAT THE **** larry?

We lost that game by only 4pts. If Jax had been benched we could have easily won.

[GoBobs]

Worst player so far this year has been Wallace who has 15 to's through 3 games. Jackson has 8 to's to go with 13 assists. Diaw has 6 to's, 6 assists. DJ has 5 to's and 16 assists.

Most of Jackson and Diaw's turnovers come off failed passes. Wallace's to's tend to come of him driving and trying to draw a foul and maybe not getting it.

I can agree that DJ needs to handle the ball more at the offensive end, but he needs to be more aggressive for it to work.

Seeing DJ dribble up the floor and pass to Jackson or DIop two feet inside the three point line makes me what to pull my hair out.

[captaincrunk]

you cant have 3 players on the floor at the same time trying to play pg. it just doesnt work. i think its time to move diaw to the bench and start tyrus and try to keep it so that those 3 arent all on the floor together, or at least as little as possible.

Well, I think Washington's going to try it this season. If you have good chemistry it should work. We should have good chemistry but if we did, we'd have at least one win right now.

Hinrich has played a lot of 2 guard in this league, and Arenas was never really a pass first kind of guy. They're not being told to all try to be PG's, like our players are.

[ohara]

GoBobs, I am glad you brought up Wallace and his poor performance so far through the first 3 games. So many times, people get upset when someone criticizes his game like you are stepping on their religious beliefs. He is our only All Star, and has been our best player the past few years - no doubt. But his play this young season has been very disappointing. He really needs to step it up before this season starts to get away from us.

The other person who is really starting to disappoint is Jax. How many times this season has he lost the ball around the basket, and then just stands there looking at the Ref like he cant understand why no foul was called? Meanwhile, the rest of the team is running down court to play defense. It happened some last year, but not much was made of it as we were playing well enough to get into the Playoff race. But when you are playing like crap and you are 0-3, that kind of attitude just grates on the nerves.

This all said, if Crash and Jax are playing well, it is a beautiful thing to watch. And we win when they both play well. I hope we see it again soon.

[Rich4114]

I think Jax is definitely going downwards in his career. If this franchise was smart, they'd realize the absolute ceiling with this current roster into the foreseeable future is first round K.O. and begin trading pieces for future pieces. I know nobody wants to hear it but they could package Jax and say Diop somewhere for a draft pick and younger prospect who might be able to improve. We could also sell high on Wallace and try to exchange him for someone with a longer contract we could build around in the next few years.

DJ will probably play himself into being worth around 5/yr so we could either let him walk or lock him up to either be a really solid backup PG or our starting PG and focus our strengths on other positions. I'm telling you, we could be in position to build things back up quickly if we made the investments now and took the hit in 10-11 and 11-12.

I guess they'd be more likely to do this if we're still playing piss poor 1/2 way into the season. As for the turnovers, I agree with what everyone is saying. Jackson is a horrendous decision maker and can't make up for it anymore with his scoring abilities. Wallace is doing too much forcing of shots because there's nobody to penetrate into the paint, and Diaw is finished (I agree, let Tyrus start). DJ will get better with time, I think he's the guy we need to have as the top offensive threat for everyone else to thrive - but can he do it.

[Fred Williamson]

I think Jax is definitely going downwards in his career. If this franchise was smart, they'd realize the absolute ceiling with this current roster into the foreseeable future is first round K.O. and begin trading pieces for future pieces. I know nobody wants to hear it but they could package Jax and say Diop somewhere for a draft pick and younger prospect who might be able to improve. We could also sell high on Wallace and try to exchange him for someone with a longer contract we could build around in the next few years.

DJ will probably play himself into being worth around 5/yr so we could either let him walk or lock him up to either be a really solid backup PG or our starting PG and focus our strengths on other positions. I'm telling you, we could be in position to build things back up quickly if we made the investments now and took the hit in 10-11 and 11-12.

I guess they'd be more likely to do this if we're still playing piss poor 1/2 way into the season. As for the turnovers, I agree with what everyone is saying. Jackson is a horrendous decision maker and can't make up for it anymore with his scoring abilities. Wallace is doing too much forcing of shots because there's nobody to penetrate into the paint, and Diaw is finished (I agree, let Tyrus start). DJ will get better with time, I think he's the guy we need to have as the top offensive threat for everyone else to thrive - but can he do it.

I agree with everything besides "start Tyrus". He's just as horrible as anyone else on the roster. Great energy player off the bench but I don't want him to see 35minutes per game

[countryboi]

I think Jax is definitely going downwards in his career. If this franchise was smart, they'd realize the absolute ceiling with this current roster into the foreseeable future is first round K.O. and begin trading pieces for future pieces. I know nobody wants to hear it but they could package Jax and say Diop somewhere for a draft pick and younger prospect who might be able to improve. We could also sell high on Wallace and try to exchange him for someone with a longer contract we could build around in the next few years.

DJ will probably play himself into being worth around 5/yr so we could either let him walk or lock him up to either be a really solid backup PG or our starting PG and focus our strengths on other positions. I'm telling you, we could be in position to build things back up quickly if we made the investments now and took the hit in 10-11 and 11-12.

I guess they'd be more likely to do this if we're still playing piss poor 1/2 way into the season. As for the turnovers, I agree with what everyone is saying. Jackson is a horrendous decision maker and can't make up for it anymore with his scoring abilities. Wallace is doing too much forcing of shots because there's nobody to penetrate into the paint, and Diaw is finished (I agree, let Tyrus start). DJ will get better with time, I think he's the guy we need to have as the top offensive threat for everyone else to thrive - but can he do it.

I agree with everything besides "start Tyrus". He's just as horrible as anyone else on the roster. Great energy player off the bench but I don't want him to see 35minutes per game

if your going to start blowing up the roster you may as well start tyrus even if he is horrible...its kinda the whole point of blowing things up

[Rich4114]

yeah, countryboi's got it. Tyrus is our most enthusiastic player right now and we're locked in with him for the long term. Why pay Tyrus as much as we are to have him come off the bench when we wouldn't re-sign Felton for roughly the same amount and have him start? Just play Tyrus and continue to shop Diaw for a pick or expirings.