Game 2: Cavaliers @ Raptors - Fri, Oct 29, 7:00pm [TSN2]

[TheOUTLAW]

the city is tiny but when you add the metropolitan are it is over a million'

[Baseline Runner]

the city is tiny but when you add the metropolitan are it is over a million'

We actually have over 2 million people in the metro area.

[gflem]

July 2009 census estimate for Cleveland only, no suburbs arouind 431,000. NYC only, no suburbs is 8,391,000. In proportion to population that is about 20-1. Or, 20,000 to 1,000 in terms of approximately how many seats an average arena has.It should be nearly impossible to get a ticket at the garden based on population alone.
I dont want to get into whose fans are more into hoops, I was just trying to show the hypocrisy of some Knick fan coming here to question how a Cavs fan cant comment on the Toronto arena being half full. Sorry I commented off the top of my head without actually looking up the latest census numbers.
I had heard the 30 million estimate for NYC population during the baseball season as an announcer (dont remember who) was talking about TV revenue for the Yanks. Maybe I will look up numbers for the counties each city resides in to further make the point.

Edit: Cuyahoga county 2009 census estimate is 1,275,709 (not nearly 2,000,000). Ohio total is 11,542,645. Nearly as many people in the 5 boroughs (and counties in which they reside) in NYC than is total for our entire state.

[Baseline Runner]

Cuyahoga is a very small county. I live in Lorain County on the border of Cuyahoga for example and I can drive to downtown Cleveland in 15-20 minutes. Every statistical method for measuring the metropolitan area, including the government census, includes neighboring counties which increases the population to 2.2 million:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland

Some figures include Akron and Canton (which are in the TV market) and that sends it to over 3 million. Akron is only 30 miles from Cleveland, well within driving distance of downtown. You state that NYC has 30 million people, which is way off the mark (maybe if you include Philly metro 90 miles away and the entire states of NJ and Connecticut), most figures put it at 18 million and includes an area that stretches across 100 miles from Long Island to the middle of New Jersey. A similar land area in NE Ohio would most likely have 4 million people. So NYC metro is nowhere near 20 times, or even 10 times larger that you to make it out to be.

[gflem]

I corrected my initial statement and apologized for going off something I had heard and did not research. However, I used the counties that make up NYC and the county that Cleveland is entirely within to get the 20 to1 estimate. I think that is a fair comparison. We can agree to disagree however, no sense arguing over what some a-hole Knick fan started.