john wall vs derrick rose

[TGW]

John Wall is sick. Love his maturity and demeanor so early in his career.

[Brenice]

I love the pace he plays at....defensively. He hustles on defense. That is a skill in it's own right. The hustle, combined with defensive instincts, his length, speed, and quickness makes for an elite defender as well.

That is what will seperate him from Rose.

[martinm]

i like how one game and all of a sudden john wall is better than someone who is averaging more in every stat except steals and assists and his assists are only 1.3pg higher through 4 games. If he can keep that up once arenas returns and for an entire season then he will be in the conversation with rose in something besides POTENTIAL.

[martinm]

and Wall is playing 5 more minutes per game than Rose so that won't continue all season.

[VictorPage44]

John Wall combines Steve Nash's instincts, Derrick Rose's athletisism, and Gary Payton's ferociousness on defense. Rose is a good player as well, but I think the hype was right about John Wall. Even in the NBA, Wall's a step quicker than the opposing PG and he also has that Wade-like ability to get past the help defense and finish. His jumper isnt nearly as bad as advertised, and his passing instincts are already top 5-10 in the league (he tied the record for most assists in the first 3 games of a career w/ 31 and he's 19). In the first game, he could have easily had 15 assists as well but his teammates missed a bunch of open jumpers. Arenas was a 40% 3pt. shooter as the #1 option, with practically no open looks, and w/ 25-30 ft. attempts mixed in. If he's getting spoonfed open jumpers from Wall he's gonna be deadly even after 3 years off from basketball.

[Brenice]

When Arenas returns shortly, the defenses will have to respect his range and offensive abilities as well, creating easier driving lanes for Wall. Matter of fact, Wall will create easier driving lanes for Arenas too.

[alucryts]

I think we should start re-visiting this.

Though right now, Rose is better, Wall has more potential. With a few NBA games in his pocket, it is obvious that Wall has a bigger impact defensively, runs the offense better and is a better passer. Wall also is as fast as Rose, has is as good at finishing with the left at the rim. Rose may be more explosive vertically, but Wall will be better than him. Quickly!!!

i love john wall. trust me i do i was pissed when he didn't have a chance at the game winning shot last night, but you are going here way too soon. 3 game stretches can make a player look great. wait until the end of december (also when GIl is back) to really start comparing him to anyone.

[Brenice]

I understand, but some things you got, and some you don't. Anything can happen. Wall could get hurt. His head could swell. People are comparing Lebron, Wade, etc. players who are midway thru their careers, with Bird, Magic, etc. players whose careers are over. It is the same thing.

Sure you can wait, but some things are obvious. Like his leadership and his competitiveness. Players who defend, will defend. A shooter can go cold.

Obviously John has a ton of game. It is not too early. This thread was started before the season started, so someone was comparing them at that point and it grew to what?, 8 pages?

Notice I said in my original posting today "potential". Is there a law that says when we should start evaluating "potential"?

[alucryts]

I understand, but some things you got, and some you don't. Anything can happen. Wall could get hurt. His head could swell. People are comparing Lebron, Wade, etc. players who are midway thru their careers, with Bird, Magic, etc. players whose careers are over. It is the same thing.

Sure you can wait, but some things are obvious. Like his leadership and his competitiveness. Players who defend, will defend. A shooter can go cold.

Obviously John has a ton of game. It is not too early. This thread was started before the season started, so someone was comparing them at that point and it grew to what?, 8 pages?

Notice I said in my original posting today "potential". Is there a law that says when we should start evaluating "potential"?

well right now, the only thing wall does better than rose imo is fast break defense. as hot as john wall is right now, rose is doing it better with 100 times the defensive pressure. rose has had to adjust dozens of time to ever increasing defensive pressure. wall has yet to make even the first adjustment. with the looks of it john wall will have to step up to the pressure soon enough though.

as good on defense as wall has been, even with walls unbelievable amount of steals, rose has been better on defense. im not going to pretend like that matters all that much tho because defense from the pg is not the most vital thing in the world.

both wall and rose started off their careers very hot, with wall starting a bit hotter. at that point in their careers, i would say wall is better with the same unlimited potential. at this point tho, knowing what rose has done in 2+ years, rose has done a lot more to fill the massive potential than wall, and that is ultimately more important in my eyes.

ive said it before and ill say it again, its not what you do in your rookie year its all about the jumps in year 1-2 and year 2-3, especially for star guards. lots of players (lookin at grant hill) start of great. grant hill had 20 pts/10 reb/ 7 assists in his 2nd year. look where he went :/

the reason this is far far too soon is because it is more than unfair to wall because all he has right now on his side is hype, a big ceiling, and 3 games. there is absolutely no way to evaluate how wall is going to fill that potential down the road outside of pure and complete opinion. that is why it is too soon.

although, im not going to mind seeing rondo rose and wall be great pg's down the road

[alucryts]

also, one obvious thing right now tho is wall already has the mindset that took derrick rose 2+ years in the NBA to get

[KING JAMES1978]

They are similar.But Wall's court vision and passing ability make me to choose him.
Wall last night was a beast even if he had 8 TO.We speak about his only 3rd game in the NBA.Rose first 3 performances at the NBA wasn't even close to Wall's.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/438 ... ?year=2008

[pancakes3]

as hot as john wall is right now, rose is doing it better with 100 times the defensive pressure.

agree:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4KpzC3Viss

[alucryts]

as hot as john wall is right now, rose is doing it better with 100 times the defensive pressure.

agree:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4KpzC3Viss

i love that play

[Zeitgeister]

i like how one game and all of a sudden john wall is better than someone who is averaging more in every stat except steals and assists and his assists are only 1.3pg higher through 4 games. If he can keep that up once arenas returns and for an entire season then he will be in the conversation with rose in something besides POTENTIAL.

Wall is a better passer than Rose has ever been, at any level. He's a purer point guard, and I think some are just beginning to see why Wall was so highly regarded and why people thought he could end up better than Rose. He certainly hasn't done that yet, but he's certainly done his part through the first few games.

[QBF]

This is going to become the new Kobe Bryant-Tracy McGrady distraction on this board. (Anyone who followed this board five years ago will remember how destructive it was for almost every thread.)

Anyway, I remember last year when Brandon Jennings looked better than Rose for a while as well. These things take way more than 3 games to figure out.

Rose has been fantastic in the Playoffs in both his rookie and 2nd seasons and actually seems to improve when the games get bigger. He has a mental toughness and gritty determination that reminds me of some of the greats. This corresponds to his NCAA championship game run at Memphis as well.

Meanwhile, Kentucky severely underperformed in the NCAA tournament last year, so there are questions about Wall that simply cannot be answered yet and where Rose has a proven edge.

That being said, in my posted pre-season predictions, I picked Washington 9th in the East solely due to John Wall's unbelievable talent. Wthout him, that is an all-time bad team.

So, Rose.



But ask me again in 2-3 seasons.

[Wade2k6]

I said it before and I'll say it again, I think (bold prediction, don't kill me CHI fans) Wall is going to be a better player within the next 2 years. The guy just has that aggressive mindset and seeks out contact, something Rose has yet to do. And he has better court vision.

[cool007]

I said it before and I'll say it again, I think (bold prediction, don't kill me CHI fans) Wall is going to be a better player within the next 2 years. The guy just has that aggressive mindset and seeks out contact, something Rose has yet to do. And he has better court vision.

If you ask me, they are basically the same players but coached way different. Vinny had no clue in coaching while Saunders coached Billups into his career high APG. Saunders coaching is Million times better than Vinny.

That part is sooooooooooooooooooo underrated.

Rose is finally becoming the player we envisioned 2 years ago when we drafted him. Thibs is doing a wonderful job now and Rose is finally becoming a 2-way player that we wanted him to be. He is doing everything that his team needs to win the game and I am sure John Wall as well.

The thing is that now East has 3 superstar type PGs (Rose and Wall are still developing) but looking very promising and now can compete with West's 3 best PGs in CP3/Deron and Nash.

I am simply loving it. I think John Wall is a phenomenal talent and he is so much similar to Rose.

The thing is that Wall already has a BETTER team than what Rose had in his rookie year. I also expect Wizards to make playoffs and be 7th or 8th seed.

[Zeitgeister]

Uh, Rose's team had the NINTH worst record in the league before drafted him but somehow lucked into getting the #1 pick. That team went to the playoffs the year prior. There was plenty of talent on that team. I can't believe people are actually playing up John Wall's team.

[martinm]

i like how one game and all of a sudden john wall is better than someone who is averaging more in every stat except steals and assists and his assists are only 1.3pg higher through 4 games. If he can keep that up once arenas returns and for an entire season then he will be in the conversation with rose in something besides POTENTIAL.

Wall is a better passer than Rose has ever been, at any level. He's a purer point guard, and I think some are just beginning to see why Wall was so highly regarded and why people thought he could end up better than Rose. He certainly hasn't done that yet, but he's certainly done his part through the first few games.

I never siad he wasnt a better passer but it has only been 3 games and everyone is ready to crown wall as a better point guard. The purer point guard is ridiculous there is not such thing as a pure point guard and a non pure point guard. They simply have different styles. He could end up being better than Rose but im not going to say he is better or going to be better until he shows it for more than 3 games and college. John Wall isnt nearly the shooter Rose is either.

[GhostsOfGil]

i think everyone needs to realize that were comparing a 3rd year vet to a rookie. the fact that wall has already gotten votes ahead of rose says a lot.

the only FACTS we can compare are rose's preseason, summer league and first 3 games of his rookie year vs walls preseason, sumer league, and first 3 games. now i think its safe to say wall wins that comparison by a landslide.