Rambis's subs

[teven_1]

Here is what I think the starting lineup should be going forward:
Ridnour, Ellington, Beasly, Love, Milicic.
I know what you're thinking: "that's already the starting lineup man" but here's my radical suggestion.
Rambis starts to go easy on the subs and lets these guys play through there mistakes.
A lot of you guys are understandably mad at Darkos game. I understand I've been getting frustrated at his misses also but we gotta keep playing him. This guys needs to make mistakes before he can get better. Honestly to me he seems like he could be playing some PF to make the rotation easier. The guy could do wonders working on the high post.

Beasley and Love need 30+ mpg each. This could be a pretty good future front court. Love and Beasley have the potential to be an amazing scoring duo.

If playing these guys means a couple more loses honestly I'm ok with it. It's a lot more important we develop these guys for the future than anything else.

[LordBaldric]

Rambis is absolutely terrible. I half expect to wake up tomorrow seeing Love on waivers...

[Peezo]

I don't really understand why Ellington is a starter. Wayne has a decent skill set, but he clearly needs time to develop and grow. If we are going to do that, then I believe it should be trying to transition Wes into becoming the 2 we need. I think Wes offers a lot more on the defensive end (or could).

To me, Kosta, Telfair, and Ellington should be DNP candidates with a healthy flynn/webster. I actually like Koufos too, but he is the last big in our rotation to me.

I'm a Darko believer. Give the kid a few minutes and let him grow.

Get the Lazer (Hayward) into the game. He can play.

[C.lupus]

Thought this was interesting from the thread on substitution patterns from the GB:

good question, because no one knows, and sometimes with phil, he is either fishing to see something, trying to figure something out, testing something. and it can change especially early into the season from game to game. maybe 2nd half of the season you see some stability.

Sounds kind of familiar. I wonder if Rambis has patterned himself after Phil and he's just fishing/testing right now?

[Worm Guts]

I don't really understand why Ellington is a starter. Wayne has a decent skill set, but he clearly needs time to develop and grow. If we are going to do that, then I believe it should be trying to transition Wes into becoming the 2 we need. I think Wes offers a lot more on the defensive end (or could).

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Ellington is pretty developed as a player, he's just physically limited. He should be a spot player.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Thought this was interesting from the thread on substitution patterns from the GB:

good question, because no one knows, and sometimes with phil, he is either fishing to see something, trying to figure something out, testing something. and it can change especially early into the season from game to game. maybe 2nd half of the season you see some stability.

Sounds kind of familiar. I wonder if Rambis has patterned himself after Phil and he's just fishing/testing right now?

he can keep fishing if he wants but I can save him the suspense and guarantee he's not going to find Pippin/Jordan/Kobe/Shaq at the end of that line

[C.lupus]

Maybe he's fishing for his Sasha?

Maybe he's trying to see who his bench keepers are and who can be thrown into a Love for Smith trade?

[teven_1]

Maybe he's fishing for his Sasha?

Maybe he's trying to see who his bench keepers are and who can be thrown into a Love for Smith trade?

J smith and Beasley cannot co-exist. Love's one of our stud keepers why trade him away?

[C.lupus]

Maybe he's fishing for his Sasha?

Maybe he's trying to see who his bench keepers are and who can be thrown into a Love for Smith trade?

J smith and Beasley cannot co-exist. Love's one of our stud keepers why trade him away?

I wasn't advocating that we do that trade. I was just using it as an example since there has already been some speculation surrounding Love and Smith.

[revprodeji]

Darko/Pek
Love/ Tolly
Beasley/ Webster/ Lazar
Johnson/ Webster/ Ellington/ Brewer
Ridnour/ Flynn

[Krapinsky]

To be fair, his rotations were fine in preseason and then Webster went down. Ellington was supposed to be a 5-15 minute max guy on this team. Last night when Beasley went down he had the option to play Ellignton or Brewer. They both looked overmatched and since we were going to lose anyway why not use it as a teachable moment for the guy that's actually goign to be here next year (Ellington).

[teven_1]

To be fair, his rotations were fine in preseason and then Webster went down. Ellington was supposed to be a 5-15 minute max guy on this team. Last night when Beasley went down he had the option to play Ellignton or Brewer. They both looked overmatched and since we were going to lose anyway why not use it as a teachable moment for the guy that's actually goign to be here next year (Ellington).

yes but Love still didn't get 30 minutes of burn. In my mind that is unacceptable. The fact that late in the 3rd I didn't assume Beasley had been injured (and rather chalked it up to Rambis's crazy subs) says a lot.

Beaz (I know he was injured) and Love need to have seasonal mpg averages of 30+
Drako needs 23 mpg +. I want these guys to get a lot of court time and develop.

[Shamrock]

Not even a T-Wolves fan but it annoys me to see Love to not be getting the minutes he deserves.

[Worm Guts]

To be fair, his rotations were fine in preseason and then Webster went down. Ellington was supposed to be a 5-15 minute max guy on this team. Last night when Beasley went down he had the option to play Ellignton or Brewer. They both looked overmatched and since we were going to lose anyway why not use it as a teachable moment for the guy that's actually goign to be here next year (Ellington).

yes but Love still didn't get 30 minutes of burn. In my mind that is unacceptable. The fact that late in the 3rd I didn't assume Beasley had been injured (and rather chalked it up to Rambis's crazy subs) says a lot.

Beaz (I know he was injured) and Love need to have seasonal mpg averages of 30+
Drako needs 23 mpg +. I want these guys to get a lot of court time and develop.

I know Rambis hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to Loves playing time, but the Wolves were down 30 in the 3rd quarter on the front end of a back to back. If there ever was a time for him to play 25 minutes, it was last night.

[teven_1]

To be fair, his rotations were fine in preseason and then Webster went down. Ellington was supposed to be a 5-15 minute max guy on this team. Last night when Beasley went down he had the option to play Ellignton or Brewer. They both looked overmatched and since we were going to lose anyway why not use it as a teachable moment for the guy that's actually goign to be here next year (Ellington).

yes but Love still didn't get 30 minutes of burn. In my mind that is unacceptable. The fact that late in the 3rd I didn't assume Beasley had been injured (and rather chalked it up to Rambis's crazy subs) says a lot.

Beaz (I know he was injured) and Love need to have seasonal mpg averages of 30+
Drako needs 23 mpg +. I want these guys to get a lot of court time and develop.

I know Rambis hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to Loves playing time, but the Wolves were down 30 in the 3rd quarter on the front end of a back to back. If there ever was a time for him to play 25 minutes, it was last night.

fair enough if Rambis was using "blow out logic" that when the game is out of reach take out your stars fine. But in general over the course of the season I am suggesting Beasley and Love play a lot of every game, at various position fine but well over 30 mpg for each of them.

I really believe in Darko as well and want him to have around 25 mpg at least. Give him time to grow, be damned if he's missing shots.

I see your point but my point is not reactionary. It is not based on the last 4 games but just what I want to see going forwards

[Krapinsky]

It is quite offputting that the most minutes Love has played in any of the four games this year is 27 minutes. That number was oonly exceeded once (29 min) in eight preseason games. In four games he's averaging 25 minutes per game which is just over 50% of the available PF minutes.

[AQuintus]

yes but Love still didn't get 30 minutes of burn. In my mind that is unacceptable.

Yeah, because Love has known stamina problems, it was the first game of a back-to-back, and the game was over before halftime. There was no reason to play Love big minutes.

[teven_1]

yes but Love still didn't get 30 minutes of burn. In my mind that is unacceptable.

Yeah, because Love has known stamina problems, it was the first game of a back-to-back, and the game was over before halftime. There was no reason to play Love big minutes.

fair enough. I guess the onus is on Love to up his stamina. For the good of the team he should be averaging over 30 mpg. Again the heat game was a blow out. Don't think of my comments a direct critique on Rambis's actions thus far rather what I'd like to see going forward.

Also I think Pek and Wes have really proved there worth and should keep getting ample minutes.

I also think Brewer is more useful than Elington. Brewer is a great perimeter defender.

[AQuintus]

Also I think Pek and Wes have really proved there worth and should keep getting ample minutes.

I think that's going to be on them more than Rambis. Wes has to get healthy and Peks has to limit his fouls.

I also think Brewer is more useful than Elington. Brewer is a great perimeter defender.

I definitely agree with this. I was pretty happy when it was announced that Ellington would start over Brewer because Brew played so bad in preseason, but so far Wayne has shown nothing except that he's not an NBA starter.

[Esohny]

Eh. I want Wes starting next to Beasley on the wing, even if Wes's minutes are being limited. Bring Wayne/Brewer off the bench, which they're suited for.