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Re: Hammers: Bobcats @ Nets 

Post#21 » by captaincrunk » Thu Nov 4, 2010 5:39 pm

Gold - Boris Diaw
Silver - Gerald Wallace
Bronze - Gotta give it up to DJ, 0 personal turnovers probably saved the game. The team's been turning it over so badly lately, that getting through the game without turning it over deserves a medal.
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Re: Hammers: Bobcats Vs Nets 

Post#22 » by Battery » Thu Nov 4, 2010 9:21 pm

SJAXnCRASH wrote:
Battery wrote:3 - Wallace
2 - Diaw
1 - S-Jax

I know Jax was God awful over the first 43 minutes of the game but the final 5 minutes is where we won it. Jax hits those two HUGE three point shots then with an assist on Diaw's big 3 which wiped out the Nets 10 point lead in just 2 minutes.

HM goes to Nazr for being very productive in the 4th but I have to give the final hammer to S-Jax because he played 44 minutes and helped turned the momentum down the stretch with those 2 huge threes. Sorry Nazy but you played well in your limited time on the court.

DJ is now 3 sh*ts out of 4. :clap: Won't be long now before we either make a trade for a new starting point or we give Livingston an opportunity to play extended minutes. I'm starting to see a little bit of life in Shaun who's basically going through training camp now......come on buddy......we desperately need ya! I cannot take seeing anymore this passive runt we have at the point. :noway:


At least we won. 8-)


DJ played excellently considering his shot was off. He hit Boris over and over for good shots. Yet you praise Jackson the ballstopping turnover machine. I love Jackson but he's playing like an idiot so far this year. DJ doesn't have the 2 luxuries that most PGs who have a lot of assists get:

1. he doesn't have a guy that can come off a curl/screen and hit a shot. Jackson would rather catch, pump fake, hold the ball for 7 seconds, slow crossover, and shoot the contested 3.

2. he only has 1 runner on the fast break when playing with the starters. Jackson and Boris make no effort on the break so usually DJ breaks out only to find him and Wallace are the only guys really trying.

The only guy the Bobcats should be trying to move right now is Jackson. I'd say Diaw but its obvious Tyrus isn't ready to start.



Nobody cares in the NBA what you do in the first quarter, it's all about the fourth. NBA is a game of runs and when we made our final run in the 4th, S-Jax was a HUGE part of it. He was the reason why the momentum shifted into our favor. DJ did nothing in the 4th quarter except stand in the corner (when he wasn't getting beat by Harris on the defensive end) and watch everyone else turn around the Nets 10 point lead.

DJ had 4 assists two of which were in the first minute of the game and 3 rebounds in the first quarter. What did he do the rest of the game? Remember now, he's playing the POINT GUARD position. How about 0 assists over the final 17:47 of the game!!!! 0 assists!!!! 0 assists!!! How is that possible if you guys said he had a good game???? Hello????

Looking forward to seeing his next passive game vs the imploding 0-5 Detroit Pistons on Friday. How's that Pistons team working out for ya so far Fats?

Shaun Livingston should get a hammer for grabbing a rebound and then going coast to coast and getting a layup. You see that DJ!!! Larry didn't call that play! That was Livingston reading and reacting to the defense, something Larry Brown allows all of his players to do, especially at the point. But with you, he knows that you're not instinctive in the way good POINT GUARDS are, so he has to rely on other players like Jax to run the offense. Basically you can't do your job well enough that we have to rely on and make S-Jax look bad because he's not a point. Anyway, it's onto DJ's next all worldly performance where Bobcats fans on realgm will praise him because he had a great first quarter. :roll:
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Re: Hammers: Bobcats @ Nets 

Post#23 » by thruthefire » Thu Nov 4, 2010 10:47 pm

Let's be fair. Augustin hit the go-ahead free throws with 30 seconds left and secured the final rebound of the game.
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Re: Hammers: Bobcats @ Nets 

Post#24 » by BigSlam » Thu Nov 4, 2010 11:31 pm

thruthefire wrote:Let's be fair. Augustin hit the go-ahead free throws with 30 seconds left and secured the final rebound of the game.

That is a great point.

Based on that I guess DJ should be getting Gold Hammer's from everyone - because the 4th quarter is all that counts after all.
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Re: Hammers: Bobcats @ Nets 

Post#25 » by ohara » Thu Nov 4, 2010 11:40 pm

Battery, every Box Score I have read had DJ with 7 assists in the win over NJ. You are only giving him credit for 4? I mean I know you despise him and dont want him on the team, but you should give him credit for what he actually does. A lot of your argument is still on point, but dont take away 3 valuable assists when he earns them.
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Re: Hammers: Bobcats @ Nets 

Post#26 » by Battery » Fri Nov 5, 2010 12:16 am

ohara wrote:Battery, every Box Score I have read had DJ with 7 assists in the win over NJ. You are only giving him credit for 4? I mean I know you despise him and dont want him on the team, but you should give him credit for what he actually does. A lot of your argument is still on point, but dont take away 3 valuable assists when he earns them.


I didn't, I said he had 4 assists in the first quarter, 2 of which came in the first minute of the game. 4 assists and 3 rebounds in the first quarter. Gave him credit for his all star performance...in the first quarter. His other new nickname aside from being called Mr. Passive, is Mr. First Quarter.

Instead of DJ, he's now FQ. Yo FQ get me the ball in da paint! Yo FQ stop hiding in the corner like a scared little girl. Yo FQ, you see how Shaun Livingston took it upon himself to go coast to coast and score an easy bucket? Yo FQ, the game is 4 quarters, not 1. Yo FQ, you're ass is as good as gone the minute we find a trade partner willing to take your lame ass off our hands.
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Re: Hammers: Bobcats @ Nets 

Post#27 » by Marvel » Fri Nov 5, 2010 4:08 am

Nobody cares in the NBA what you do in the first quarter,


WOAH.....a bit harsh,in fact plain stupid.
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Re: Hammers: Bobcats @ Nets 

Post#28 » by Paydro70 » Fri Nov 5, 2010 4:22 am

I know this is surprising to you all, but I have the stats on this...

Correlation between winning a quarter and winning the game:
.37 - 1st Qtr
.29 - 2nd Qtr
.40 - 3rd Qtr
.28 - 4th Qtr

In other words, if someone could tell you who "won" each quarter of a game, the 1st and 3rd would be much more likely to tell you who won the whole game.

Correlation between team performance in a quarter and overall team winning percentage:
.85 - 1st Qtr
.67 - 2nd Qtr
.75 - 3rd Qtr
.38 - 4th Qtr

So the best teams do the best in, you guessed it, the first quarter.

Intuitively this makes perfect sense... the best teams get the lead early and hold it the whole game, and in fact don't even need to play well in the fourth quarter. It's pretty much a sports axiom: you don't have to be clutch if you never let it get close.

http://www.82games.com/random11.htm
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Re: Hammers: Bobcats @ Nets 

Post#29 » by Battery » Fri Nov 5, 2010 4:49 am

Paydro70 wrote:I know this is surprising to you all, but I have the stats on this...

Correlation between winning a quarter and winning the game:
.37 - 1st Qtr
.29 - 2nd Qtr
.40 - 3rd Qtr
.28 - 4th Qtr

In other words, if someone could tell you who "won" each quarter of a game, the 1st and 3rd would be much more likely to tell you who won the whole game.

Correlation between team performance in a quarter and overall team winning percentage:
.85 - 1st Qtr
.67 - 2nd Qtr
.75 - 3rd Qtr
.38 - 4th Qtr

So the best teams do the best in, you guessed it, the first quarter.

Intuitively this makes perfect sense... the best teams get the lead early and hold it the whole game, and in fact don't even need to play well in the fourth quarter. It's pretty much a sports axiom: you don't have to be clutch if you never let it get close.

http://www.82games.com/random11.htm


But if you have a team full DJ's who produce well in the first quarter but sh*t the bed in the others, I can guarantee you aren't winning many games. Duh.
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Re: Hammers: Bobcats @ Nets 

Post#30 » by Marvel » Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:20 am

Paydro70 wrote:I know this is surprising to you all, but I have the stats on this...

Correlation between winning a quarter and winning the game:
.37 - 1st Qtr
.29 - 2nd Qtr
.40 - 3rd Qtr
.28 - 4th Qtr

In other words, if someone could tell you who "won" each quarter of a game, the 1st and 3rd would be much more likely to tell you who won the whole game.

Correlation between team performance in a quarter and overall team winning percentage:
.85 - 1st Qtr
.67 - 2nd Qtr
.75 - 3rd Qtr
.38 - 4th Qtr

So the best teams do the best in, you guessed it, the first quarter.

Intuitively this makes perfect sense... the best teams get the lead early and hold it the whole game, and in fact don't even need to play well in the fourth quarter. It's pretty much a sports axiom: you don't have to be clutch if you never let it get close.

http://www.82games.com/random11.htm


That's some good,interesting info :D
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Re: Hammers: Bobcats @ Nets 

Post#31 » by Paydro70 » Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:43 am

If the first is the ONLY quarter ALL of your players are any good in, then yeah, you'll probably lose.
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Re: Hammers: Bobcats @ Nets 

Post#32 » by BigSlam » Fri Nov 5, 2010 11:31 am

Paydro70 wrote:I know this is surprising to you all, but I have the stats on this...

Correlation between winning a quarter and winning the game:
.37 - 1st Qtr
.29 - 2nd Qtr
.40 - 3rd Qtr
.28 - 4th Qtr

In other words, if someone could tell you who "won" each quarter of a game, the 1st and 3rd would be much more likely to tell you who won the whole game.

Correlation between team performance in a quarter and overall team winning percentage:
.85 - 1st Qtr
.67 - 2nd Qtr
.75 - 3rd Qtr
.38 - 4th Qtr

So the best teams do the best in, you guessed it, the first quarter.

Intuitively this makes perfect sense... the best teams get the lead early and hold it the whole game, and in fact don't even need to play well in the fourth quarter. It's pretty much a sports axiom: you don't have to be clutch if you never let it get close.

http://www.82games.com/random11.htm

Everyone knows stats don't count. Duh.
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Re: Hammers: Bobcats @ Nets 

Post#33 » by fatlever » Fri Nov 5, 2010 5:24 pm

if jax hadn't played like garbage for the first 43 mins of the game then the game wouldnt have been close. we kept it close in spite of his horrendous play.

i'll give him credit. jax showed up when the game was on the line. he was really good that last 5 minutes.
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Re: Hammers: Bobcats @ Nets 

Post#34 » by SWedd523 » Fri Nov 5, 2010 8:05 pm

Paydro: go watch the game or something
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Re: Hammers: Bobcats @ Nets 

Post#35 » by fatlever » Mon Nov 8, 2010 6:06 pm

voting closed

gold - wallace
silver - diaw
bronze - augustin/nazr (tie)

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