Cowherd: Derrick Rose is closer to Tmac and AI then MJ+Magic

[Howling Mad]

One thing that sucks about moving west. I'm defaulted to listening to West coast radio. Its nice I get to hear Dan Patrick again, but guys like Jim Rome, Colin Cowherd, etc really annoy me sometimes.

This morning Cowherd was discussing basketball. After a 30 minute session yesterday on dissing John Wall for his dance, and going off about how Wall isn't the real deal and that he's closer to Derrick Rose than he is to Dwade, which I didn't get. I thought the Rose/Wall comparison was a compliment but today he cleared that up. Today he talked about how Derrick didn't return phone calls from Lebron and DWade, and how he is selfish about wanting to be the man. He argues the 3 dudes in Miami all gave up something to win. He continues to state that Derrick Rose is closer to Tmac and AI, then Magic, Bird, Lebron, Michael, etc. He goes on to say that guys with high basketball IQ like Wade, Lebron and Bosh are what wins championships.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd= ... ign=KWWNAM

He pulls up old articles, that were contradicted with other articles, about Derrick not wanting Lebron, and that his sources say Lebron was serious about Chicago, but since he didn't receive a phone call back, he went with Wade.

He states Derrick Rose is "Fools Gold". ESPN pumps him up but he's not a winner. He argues, Rose will have a lot of highlights but his selfish attitude about being the man and his low basketball IQ will result in him being beat by teams like the Knicks. "He's closer to Tmac and AI, then he is to winners like MJ and Magic".

I'm scratching my head here.

Derrick played pretty good. His defense wasn't great, as usual, and he's partly responsible for Tony Douglas going off on a career night, but to blame him for this loss. To argue he's selfish about being the man, "fools gold", low basketball IQ.

Please, make me feel better.

[cool007]

One thing that sucks about moving west. I'm defaulted to listening to West coast radio. Its nice I get to hear Dan Patrick again, but guys like Jim Rome, Colin Cowherd, etc really annoy me sometimes.

This morning Cowherd was discussing basketball. Mostly how Derrick didn't return phone calls from Lebron and DWade, and how he is selfish about wanting to be the man. He argues the 3 dudes in Miami all gave up something to win. He continues to state that Derrick Rose is closer to Tmac and AI, then Magic, Bird, Lebron, Michael, etc. He goes on to say that guys with high basketball IQ like Wade, Lebron and Bosh are what wins championships.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd= ... ign=KWWNAM

He pulls up old articles, that were contradicted with other articles, about Derrick not wanting Lebron, and that his sources say Lebron was serious about Chicago, but since he didn't receive a phone call back, he went with Wade.

He states Derrick Rose is "Fools Gold". ESPN pumps him up but he's not a winner. He argues, Rose will have a lot of highlights but his selfish attitude about being the man and his low basketball IQ will result in him being beat by teams like the Knicks.

I'm scratching my head here.

Derrick played pretty good. His defense wasn't great, as usual, and he's partly responsible for Tony Douglas going off on a career night, but to blame him for this loss. To argue he's selfish about being the man, "fools gold", low basketball IQ.

Please, make me feel better.

was it after the first game of the season vs OKC or just now or yesterday???

If latter than he should be fired. He just has no clue and he shouldn't be talking Basketball.

[Tetlak]

Cowherd is the biggest idiot in the sports world...have you ever watched Sportsnation?

I wouldnt worry about what he says because he is always on LBJ and Miamis south beach.

[barn34]

Colin Cowherd is the biggest fool on ESPN radio. He constantly makes rediculous claims and presents it in a fashion that riles up listeners to get a response like this. Ignore him and you'll live a much happier life. I'm serious. The guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about 99% of the time. He just presents his 'oppinions' (which he's allowed to have)...but then makes anyone else with a more educated oppinion feel stupid for trying to educate him for making rediculous claims and quick judgements without having a bigger grasp on the topic or situation at hand. He only has a job because he causes this type of response. That's it.

Also, I guarantee that once Boozer gets back and the Bulls start clicking, he's going to be spouting off oppinions that are direct contradictions to anything he's spewing today. This happens all the freaking time with him. He also tries to spin it that he was right way back when he made a comment like this...but anything that he's dead wrong about or ends up changing his popular oppinion about, he never brings that up and points that out. He's a front running joke of a reporter/commentator/journalist/whatever. He also doesn't follow basketball all that closely. He's said that multiple times before. He rides the male organs of teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Heat (Cavs last year) and Magic and completely ignore and degrade any mention of any other NBA team or their star players. He's a complete tool. All you need to know about him and his oppinions/philosophies on basketball is that he's been very vocal about the Bulls being fools for refusing to part with Noah in order to get Melo. People that know and understand basketball know that Melo is the real 'fools gold' in the league. (Pip, Bill Walton, Steve Kerr, Mark Stein, etc. etc. etc. have all come out and publicly said they wouldn't trade Noah for Melo) You want a player that's going to compare with AI and TMac when their career is over? Look no further than Carmelo Anthony. Rose is going to have a career resembling Isaih Thomas's when it's all said and done. Multiple finals appearances, 2 rings, 1 finals MVP, etc. I'll take that with a side of humbling Cowherd pie, please.

[Howling Mad]

was it after the first game of the season vs OKC or just now or yesterday???

If latter than he should be fired. He just has no clue and he shouldn't be talking Basketball.

The diss session on Wall was yesterday I believe, and the "Rose has low bball IQ" was today.

[League Circles]

I love Cowherd, he's the only sports radio person I can really listen to, which I do often. That said, he doesn't actually know the NBA all that well - he's much more a football and even baseball expert than actually knowing the NBA really well. He's liking it more and more, and to an extent he's right about Rose - being a player like AI and TMac (when healthy) wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, though frankly I see him possibly being better than those two have usually played (selfish) throughout their careers already. He's not a Magic or Michael yet, but neither is Lebron or Wade, or even Durant.

Rose does show some flaws, and he doesn't look like the GOAT yet, but IMO from what I've seen of him this season so far, I'm not giving him a ceiling at all - I think he could possibly be the best player in the league at some point in his career, and is one of the best players now. Yeah I said it. Whether he's top 5, 10, 15 conservatively, doesn't matter. He can go head to head against any great player and trade baskets and great plays with them on any given night. That's about all you can ask for. I think his D is much improved.

[The Explorer]

Who is the bigger fool, the one who makes foolish statements, or the the one who listens to the one who makes foolish statements?

[IWannaGoHIGHER]

Cowherd isn't a sports expert he get viewers and listeners because he says things that piss people off. He labels it as the "truth" but really it just to piss the most people off because that's what get's people talking and gets his name out. So it really doesn't matter what he says because really he's far from anyone you would respects opinion on the matter. Really a topic like this is excatly what he wants .

But in all fairness he is actually a really cool guy in person. He came and did Sportsnation here (on the Big Ten road Trip) and after the taping he stayed after, talked with us, answered questions. and gave away free stuff even though he didn't have to. He's funny and a nice guy he just puts on the act for TV mostly. And really its worked so you can't blame him.

[Howling Mad]

Who is the bigger fool, the one who makes foolish statements, or the the one who listens to the one who makes foolish statements?

I had Silvy and Waddle on. Then I drove my wife to work.

Turn it on NOW, he's back to taling about it. OMG please turn it on. I did only because this is ridiculous.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/player?rd= ... ign=KWWNAM

"Derrick didn't want Lebron, he wanted Joe Johnson."

"His DNA is not Magic's DNA"

[League Circles]

BTW the Herd is a show all about opinions. The opinions around sports, especially his own, are the focus of the show. I think he's interesting, and a lot smarter and more entertaining than the Mikes, Van Pelt, certainly Rome and Patrick, etc.

He's definitely wrong sometimes as we all are, but he's right much more of the time IMO. He's rather perceptive.

[Howling Mad]

I like Colin Cowherd, but I think sometimes he has some Jim Rome in him. He'll make statements and arguements that get a rise. I understand this is his job, but he's bending the value of his integrity when he goes to far with his opinions.

The Bulls didn't lose because of Rose, the Bulls lost because the other team, which happened to be the Knicks, shot 70% from 3pt land.

[League Circles]

But in all fairness he is actually a really cool guy in person. He came and did Sportsnation here (on the Big Ten road Trip) and after the taping he stayed after, talked with us, answered questions. and gave away free stuff even though he didn't have to. He's funny and a nice guy he just puts on the act for TV mostly. And really its worked so you can't blame him.

I agree he came to Wisconsin twice this year to do the show including Sportsnation the first time. I only caught him the second time but watched it for at least 2 hours - closer to the whole thing. He's very funny and laid back with all the fans during all the pre-taped interview segments of the show and during commercials. They gave me like 7 5 Hour Energy Drinks. That's like at least $15-20 bucks retail.

Are you at Wisconsin?

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Cowherd = Skip Bayless. He's not a fool, he's a provocateur, and knows exactly what to say to keep his name in peoples' mouths.

I guarantee that if Rose were having a bad season, Cowherd wouldn't be dumping on him -- he'd just be another voice in the chorus of talking heads calling Rose overrated. But because Derrick has looked fantastic, for the most part, Cowherd has to set himself apart by seizing on and grossly exaggerating Derrick's warts. He flat out makes ish up too, of course.

The guy isn't to be taken seriously. He's the first to admit he'll do anything to get listeners. This Derrick Rose bullsh*t is in that vein.

[umfan83]

Please please please do not let Colin Cowherd influence your impression of Derrick Rose. Rarely are his opinions based on reality instead off off 2 minutes of "evaluation"

[IWannaGoHIGHER]

Nope I go to Michigan.

[Hotstove907]

Dear Colin,
Stick to picking winners for Sunday's games and getting out shined by Michelle Beadle on sports nation.
Sincerely,
Bulls Nation

P.S. **** ***

[DuckIII]

Cowterd.

[Rerisen]

Just because someone is on the radio doesn't make them right.

Derrick is not Tmac or Allen Iverson, but it appears Derrick *did* want to be the man here. All his comments prior and post free agency seem to indicate that. Now its on him to prove he can be.

[The Force.]

I stopped reading at "Cowherd"

[ThirtyThree]

Cowherd reminds me a lot of Bill O'Reilly. I remember sometime last year he went off about how Scottie Pippen was terribly overrated and not that great. My biggest gripe with his argument was when he said Scottie didn't do anything without MJ (with Portland and MJ's first retirement). I nearly drove into traffic after hearing that one.