Should we trade Baron and Kaman and rebuild?

PG3 · Post #21 » by **PG3** » Mon Nov 1, 2010 11:59 pm

sutrick wrote:ABSOLUTELY. However to be realistic only Washington would be willing to take Baron but Arenas would be a better player albeit not the best role model. However, is an out of shape, don't give a damn, over the hill player worse for young players than a crazy one??

Kaman probably can be traded and he must be the worst player ever to get the stats he has this year. He's terrible.

I don't think the decision to keep or trade Davis and Kaman has much to do with changing the amount of wins. Neither will positively contribute to many wind this year.

I dont think Washington would want Baron since they already have 3 capable PGs in Wall, Hinrich and Arenas. As i think about it, There are a lot of good PGs in the NBA right now which makes it harder to trade Baron on top of his bloated contract. I cant think up of a trade scenario with the Bobcats that gets us cap relief. We can do a Baron/G-Wallace kinda deal but i doubt they'll do that.

PG3 · Post #22 » by **PG3** » Tue Nov 2, 2010 12:03 am

How bout this?

Clippers trade
Baron Davis
Chris Kaman

Pistons trade
Rodney Stuckey
Tayshaun Prince
Chris Wilcox
Jason Maxiell

jflipclip · Post #23 » by **jflipclip** » Tue Nov 2, 2010 3:11 am

Kaman is still valuable to the team in my eyes. Solid center, although it is looking like he's losing his place in this new offense. He'll find his way through it though.

Baron on the other hand... I lost all hope with him last season.

DraftSpecialist · Post #24 » by **DraftSpecialist** » Tue Nov 2, 2010 3:14 am

I'm not high on trading Kaman and Baron while there value is at a low. Especially so early in the season. We need better bench play. Our lack of depth hurt us last year, especially late in games where we were constantly unable to finish. We also need another ball handler.

Personally I would rather wait and see if Foye can step up and help fill that role along with Aminu and Bledsoe progressing into solid role players this year. If that happens and we get good bench play I think we are a playoff team. But I don't think anything we move Kaman or Davis will do that for us.

SportsFan215 · Post #25 » by **SportsFan215** » Tue Nov 2, 2010 4:01 am

Yes we should, especially Kaman before he loses all of his value.

kombayn · Post #26 » by **kombayn** » Tue Nov 2, 2010 4:57 am

We need to blow it up. I don't want the team to go 0-18 breaking an NBA record. Right now, I'm not a fan of Vinny Del Negro at all.

illastrate · Post #27 » by **illastrate** » Tue Nov 2, 2010 8:34 am

PG3 wrote:How bout this?

Clippers trade
Baron Davis
Chris Kaman

Pistons trade
Rodney Stuckey
Tayshaun Prince
Chris Wilcox
Jason Maxiell

Not bad, I would pull the trigger on that, but I have another one:

Baron to the Bobcats for Livingston/Diaw

And then, Kaman + other pieces for Melo.

Rodddman · Post #28 » by **Rodddman** » Tue Nov 2, 2010 12:49 pm

Kaman and the Pistons is a match made in Heaven.

The only team dumb enough to take on Baron's contract is the Clippers, and unfortunately teams can't dump contracts onto themselves.

Post #29 » by **Tommy Udo 6** » Tue Nov 2, 2010 8:23 pm

mj_shoefanatic wrote:It will be nearly impossible to trade Baron and his bloated contract. Plus, Baron is looking to pass first more this season which I kinda like. However, Kaveman might be a little easier to move by the trade deadline then just have DJ start for us with Collins backing him up.

It gets worse: Kamen's Contract has a trade kicker for the lesser of 15% or $4 million.

At this point 15% of $24.5 million remaining is $3,675,000.

I think he's just too expensive for most teams' budget

Rumac60 · Post #30 » by **Rumac60** » Wed Nov 3, 2010 1:48 pm

Kaman/ Davis for Rip/ Tay/ JJ or Summers or TMac. Although the other deal involving Stuckey/ Wilcox/ Tay/ Max might be more appealing to the Clips, while the former is probably more balanced. 8-)

Either way a deal for BOTH teams needs to made. :roll:

mattfish · Post #31 » by **mattfish** » Wed Nov 3, 2010 4:36 pm

Rodddman wrote:Kaman and the Pistons is a match made in Heaven.

The only team dumb enough to take on Baron's contract is the Clippers, and unfortunately teams can't dump contracts onto themselves.

How about Minnesota? The Knicks? At least one team has to be dumber than the Clippers! At least we fared better than Golden State signing Maggette for all that money and getting Charlie Bell and Dan Gadzuric in return.

Det the Threat · Post #32 » by **Det the Threat** » Wed Nov 3, 2010 6:21 pm

mattfish wrote:
Rodddman wrote:Kaman and the Pistons is a match made in Heaven.

The only team dumb enough to take on Baron's contract is the Clippers, and unfortunately teams can't dump contracts onto themselves.

How about Minnesota? The Knicks? At least one team has to be dumber than the Clippers! At least we fared better than Golden State signing Maggette for all that money and getting Charlie Bell and Dan Gadzuric in return.

Charlie Bell and Dan Gadzuric would be a great package for Baron...

Recently · Post #33 » by **Recently** » Thu Nov 4, 2010 2:19 am

Really wish we had steve blake still. Only downside to dumping baron right now is i don't think bledsoe is ready at all. He should probably be eased in slowly rather than throw into the fire directly. Maybe he will surprise me though, hes getting the start again today and did ok last game i guess.

Recently · Post #34 » by **Recently** » Thu Nov 4, 2010 6:49 am

Well i take back what i said about bledsoe, maybe he IS ready. I wish we still had steve blake though lol.

Volcano · Post #35 » by **Volcano** » Thu Nov 4, 2010 7:56 am

anyone think Bledsoe's worth picking up for a fantasy team? Is he legit?

I hope Baron becomes bench fodder..what are the chances of that

Spider156 · Post #36 » by **Spider156** » Thu Nov 4, 2010 8:09 am

Rumac60 wrote:Kaman/ Davis for Rip/ Tay/ JJ or Summers or TMac. Although the other deal involving Stuckey/ Wilcox/ Tay/ Max might be more appealing to the Clips, while the former is probably more balanced. Either way a deal for BOTH teams needs to made.

I would do this trade in a heart beat. I LOVE it. This is from a Pistons fans.

Recently · Post #37 » by **Recently** » Thu Nov 4, 2010 9:30 am

Volcano wrote:anyone think Bledsoe's worth picking up for a fantasy team? Is he legit?

I hope Baron becomes bench fodder..what are the chances of that

Depends how deep. If you're in a competitive 12 man league with 14 deep rosters, or 14+ man league, he might be good for a short term add. If you're in a shallower league or less competitive league... probably not as its too hard to say how consistent he will be.

Backups in general aren't great for fantasy unless they are the 6th or 7th man in a short rotation, so once baron gets back his fantasy value is virtually nil. I'm assuming baron will be out around a week (dunno, not really basing this off anything though, just a gut feeling haha)

jgustav1 · Post #38 » by **jgustav1** » Thu Nov 4, 2010 1:57 pm

Rumac60 wrote:Kaman/ Davis for Rip/ Tay/ JJ or Summers or TMac. Although the other deal involving Stuckey/ Wilcox/ Tay/ Max might be more appealing to the Clips, while the former is probably more balanced. Either way a deal for BOTH teams needs to made.

Any trade involving Kaman and the Pistons would need to involve Monroe coming back to the Clippers as part of it.

Spider156 · Post #39 » by **Spider156** » Thu Nov 4, 2010 6:26 pm

jgustav1 wrote:
Rumac60 wrote:Kaman/ Davis for Rip/ Tay/ JJ or Summers or TMac. Although the other deal involving Stuckey/ Wilcox/ Tay/ Max might be more appealing to the Clips, while the former is probably more balanced. Either way a deal for BOTH teams needs to made.

Any trade involving Kaman and the Pistons would need to involve Monroe coming back to the Clippers as part of it.

As far as I'm concerned. I think Monroe is the only untouchable player on this team. Everyone else is fair game for the right deal.

donemilio21 · Post #40 » by **donemilio21** » Sat Nov 6, 2010 5:11 am

TRADE them both!