peak: Kareem vs Duncan

[bastillon]

is Kareem's scoring enough to offset Duncan's defensive/rebounding advantage ?

[Blackfyre]

Duncan is a GREAT GREAT player and one of the best ever but to compare him to KAJ is just insane.

[Zeitgeister]

peak Kareem is dominant, peak Duncan is really really good. Duncan is a top 10 player because of his consistently very good play and success in the post season. Kareem is a GOAT candidate because of his incredible peak play and accolades/post season success.

[Quincy]

This is clearly KAJ. Everyone already stated this in a thread back, as well as Wilt being better as well.

[MSGBallerz]

Kareem.

[GoLakers2011]

Kareem.

[Benjammin]

I guess someone's going to trot out Hakeem in another thread. Damn kids, get off my yard!

[JordansBulls]

is Kareem's scoring enough to offset Duncan's defensive/rebounding advantage ?

Was Duncan a better rebounder or even defender?

[Andrewchos]

Kareem all around was better, but I don't think the GAP is HUGE if you just take the two from their primes. Prime Duncan was very very good and wouldn't be a joy for Kareem to go against. The gap is pretty big but I don't think its HUGE.

oh and in terms of peak/prime play I think Shaq >>> Kareem >>> Duncan.

[hasslinghoff]

take it for what it's worth:

tim duncan

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peak_trb%    19.6
career_trb%  18.5

team_drtg_97 29th

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consider other great defenders like robinson, bowen and ginobili when using team_drtg

kareem abdul-jabbar

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peak_trb%    19.6
career_trb%  15.7

team_drtg_75 18th

team_drtg_76 13th
team_drtg_77 10th
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i only used team_drtg for la since i'm lazy. but the formula for drtg prior to 74 is somewhere on the stats-board...just in case you might want to check on milwaukee.

i would agree on duncan being the better rebounder/defender, but kareem's edge on offense seems much bigger. higher volume, higher efficiency and similar passing abilities - he's called the greatest offensive center for a reason.

[tsherkin]

There's a significant gap in terms of scoring volume, because Kareem shot more and was better at it....

Duncan was and remains better than prime Kareem on the glass... not a lot, but a little bit. Extremely similar as passers, too, and Duncan was a little less turnover-prone (but again, Kareem scored a lot more and on noticeably better efficiency).

I still think this is Kareem... he was just an absurd talent.

[Chosen01]

Kareem easily.

[Laimbeer]

I nominate this for stupidest comparison of the week.

[chefy]

kareem...duncan was never really that dominant as other people here say

[Father Time]

Kareem and it's not even close.

[Blame Rasho]

This is a stupid thread.