tkf keys to the loss

[duetta]

Jets are about to win in overtime.

[TheBluest]

Jets are about to win in overtime.

LMAO @ Gus....still screaming like a bish

[towelie]

Thought this was a 7:00 game.

Didn't catch the game, but going by boxscore, looks like our bench got outplayed. Chandler and TD both in double digit negatives for +/-.

We always suck at these matinee games I find. Our team just never has the same amount of energy for 'em I've found.

[Hoops4Life06]

Nice keys...But the whistle really did NY in today. That whistle totally took Toney and Felton out of the game. Toney's whole game is predicated on ball pressure and steals...once he got that 5th foul he was useless, this is where Mike should have played Fields more as Chandler was ineffective today too. Tough loss, but again I saw some really good things from this team today. Two things are certain Toney Douglas though, he is not a pg and he can not play with foul trouble.

I have add these positives, it is so good to see a Knick pg actually getting in the paint offensively and Landry Fields might be the smartest player NY has had in 15 years. That kid can flat out play!

Landry Fields is so smart he even knows how to properly argue with the refs!

After he got duped on those two pumpfake 3pt attempts by Williams he complained (the right way) to the ref. In a way that will garner respect from the official and possibly get the benefit of the doubt the next time.

Yeah I saw that

But seriously, the kid is just a really solid basketball player, he does things so subtle that you just say wow, so old school, he uses the rim to protect against on-coming defenders, he fills the lane brilliantly on the break, he is a decent defender and a above average weak side rebounder.

He simply makes good basketball plays! He just needs to finish games and today should have been that day with Toney in foul trouble, I would have loved to see him finish, but then if he did and we still lost some would have been wondering why Douglas was not in the game....See what a problem depth can be for a team? LOL

[FKF]

only caught the game midway through the third quarter.
can't say i'm not frustrated with this BS loss, but i expected we come up flat in this noon game. When the Knicks were in Paris, they went out after the Bercy game at L'Arc night club nearby the Champs Elysees and left early morning. I was shocked because i thought in preseason, the team would be more serious than that, and you can tell these "pro" athletes are not exactly going to play their best ball at noon.

We could've desperately used a guy like Azubuike today. Didn't understand why Mason was kept on the bench, he could've helped against this zone defense.

[Pharmcat]

harsh reality check

this team needs a alpha dog, or else its just going to be inconsistent all year long

losing to a 1 win team? yikes

[TKF]

oh yeah i mentioned this during the game ... douglas didn't give walker an alley and walker was mad and yelled out 'god dammit man' and then when he was given the ball all alone at the three he didn't shoot the ball.

maybe i'm looking too much into it but that shouldn't be tolerated.

Good observation. Douglas misses alot of people on cuts/rolls to the rim and it has to be frustrating the way he plays with tunnel vision. I understand he's a scoring combo guard but there's no way he should be attempting the 2nd most shots on the team.

I've been saying this for a while now since Pres. When he plays like he did against Chicago yeah you almost can't say anything but gosh he's such a gunner and he would piss the hell out of me if I were his teammate. He allows no rhythm for a teammates unless he's involved as an option on the play. All he does is looks for picks beyond the arc so he can fake inside to pop back out for a 3 or penetrate if the defender is trailing. He'll pass maybe once in a while on a PNR or on a suicide.

Also he is the team's "Second Option" right now. If he wouldn't have got in foul trouble some may say maybe we win but surely he puts up close to 20FGA again. I don't see how a player who comes off the bench puts up 20FGA but hey this is D'AnToni's crazy and wacky system we have here.

good point bluest, I love TD and when heis on, heis on, but when he is off, he takes some bad shots. No eason for him to be taking that many shots, but when you look at it, gallo and chandler combines for 25 shots, so lets give them a few more shots each, lets say 2 more, there are still a lot of shots left to take... but I agree, the shots need to be spread around some more.. today we missed a lot of shots, and it doesn't help when the jets are getting forearmed and no calls, and then guys like lou williams is getting pump fake fouls 30 feet from thehoop... even with the missed threes, we still should have won this game...

[TKF]

Jets are about to win in overtime.

LMAO @ Gus....still screaming like a bish

gus goes nuts.. LOL.. jets came back and stole that game.. sanchez and LT came up big...

[Marty McFly]

so when are pharmcat's mod powers going to get revoked?

[Drun53]

This is why the Bulls win was so important, because unfortunately we aren't going to win every game that we are "supposed" to win. There are times where our shooting will be extremely hot, and we'll steal a few games versus "better" teams, but there will also be times where our shooting will be cold, and we'll lose to teams that we are supposed to lose to. It happens. I still expect a ~44-win team this year, or so.

[Pharmcat]

i think amare and mike are just waiting for melo, be it a trade or FA signing in the OS

the way the current team is constructed, if the 3s are falling, it'll win, but when the shots are hard to come by, it'll be a grind

also harsh to judge felton, he's a 2 yr stop gap just like duhon was last 2 years

[TheBluest]

Good observation. Douglas misses alot of people on cuts/rolls to the rim and it has to be frustrating the way he plays with tunnel vision. I understand he's a scoring combo guard but there's no way he should be attempting the 2nd most shots on the team.

I've been saying this for a while now since Pres. When he plays like he did against Chicago yeah you almost can't say anything but gosh he's such a gunner and he would piss the hell out of me if I were his teammate. He allows no rhythm for a teammates unless he's involved as an option on the play. All he does is looks for picks beyond the arc so he can fake inside to pop back out for a 3 or penetrate if the defender is trailing. He'll pass maybe once in a while on a PNR or on a suicide.

Also he is the team's "Second Option" right now. If he wouldn't have got in foul trouble some may say maybe we win but surely he puts up close to 20FGA again. I don't see how a player who comes off the bench puts up 20FGA but hey this is D'AnToni's crazy and wacky system we have here.

good point bluest, I love TD and when heis on, heis on, but when he is off, he takes some bad shots. No eason for him to be taking that many shots, but when you look at it, gallo and chandler combines for 25 shots, so lets give them a few more shots each, lets say 2 more, there are still a lot of shots left to take... but I agree, the shots need to be spread around some more.. today we missed a lot of shots, and it doesn't help when the jets are getting forearmed and no calls, and then guys like lou williams is getting pump fake fouls 30 feet from thehoop... even with the missed threes, we still should have won this game...

TKF Jets won my man relax take a deep breath....lol

Look one of the things I've been working on this year is to be more consistent in my arguments myself. I may have slipped a little.

I can't get on Amar'e for being a black hole but excuse Dougie because he came off a good game. But I saw the signs early here. A lot of this probably has to do with the coach. Should have developed his pure point qualities more last year, he is capable. I believe he tells guys to go out there and not think too much and play THEIR GAME<-----This works in certain situations but not as a general rule. You need to play SMART AT ALL TIMES....if that means go with your instincts then ok, if that means getting things within the flow ok, if that means taking a back seat to teammates ok, if that means putting pressure on a team to make things happen ok and all of these things may have to be performed in a single game.

Watching Dougie the past couple of games has made me appreciate Gallo a little more(although he still is working on his own flaws) in that if Gallo is hot, he doesn't go tunnel vision. He's like the perfect non offensive disruptor on the team. You can add Fields too. Gallo could hit 4-5shots in a qrt and come back the next qrt or two and not take one shot(sometimes to a fault of himself and team). Dougie and Amar'e make 4-5 shots in a row they will proceed to take the next 10FGA in a row regardless of the situation. It's like come on WTF.

Dougie has to learn to play like a point guard more. We didn't need scoring so much late but we needed execution. He kept going into the lane caught in between with floaters that he took probably too far away and dribbled way too much the second half. He should have been content on what he gave us in the first and caught on to the signs early 3rd that he needed to fall back a tad.

This is why I want him to play minutes with Gallo and Chandler and not Chandler/Turiaf/AR/Walker because obviously with this group his eyes will get as big as saucers. Maybe even play with Amar'e/Chandler/Gallo more. I want more George Hill out of Dougie and less Nate Robinson.

[Futureisnow]

i think amare and mike are just waiting for melo, be it a trade or FA signing in the OS

the way the current team is constructed, if the 3s are falling, it'll win, but when the shots are hard to come by, it'll be a grind

also harsh to judge felton, he's a 2 yr stop gap just like duhon was last 2 years

I think you guys are really overreacting with the whole "this team lives and dies by the three" stuff. There were dumb plays aplenty today, many of which resulted in free points for the sixers. Between the refs, mental lapses, and silly fouls we gave the game away. The three's not dropping only made the loss seem worse.

[TKF]

TKF Jets won my man relax take a deep breath....lol

Look one of the things I've been working on this year is to be more consistent in my arguments myself. I may have slipped a little.

I can't get on Amar'e for being a black hole but excuse Dougie because he came off a good game. But I saw the signs early here. A lot of this probably has to do with the coach. Should have developed his pure point qualities more last year, he is capable. I believe he tells guys to go out there and not think too much and play THEIR GAME<-----This works in certain situations but not as a general rule. You need to play SMART AT ALL TIMES....if that means go with your instincts then ok, if that means getting things within the flow ok, if that means taking a back seat to teammates ok, if that means putting pressure on a team to make things happen ok and all of these things may have to be performed in a single game.

Watching Dougie the past couple of games has made me appreciate Gallo a little more(although he still is working on his own flaws) in that if Gallo is hot, he doesn't go tunnel vision. He's like the perfect non offensive disruptor on the team. You can add Fields too. Gallo could hit 4-5shots in a qrt and come back the next qrt or two and not take one shot(sometimes to a fault of himself and team). Dougie and Amar'e make 4-5 shots in a row they will proceed to take the next 10FGA in a row regardless of the situation. It's like come on WTF.

Dougie has to learn to play like a point guard more. We didn't need scoring so much late but we needed execution. He kept going into the lane caught in between with floaters that he took probably too far away and dribbled way too much the second half. He should have been content on what he gave us in the first and caught on to the signs early 3rd that he needed to fall back a tad.

This is why I want him to play minutes with Gallo and Chandler and not Chandler/Turiaf/AR/Walker because obviously with this group his eyes will get as big as saucers. Maybe even play with Amar'e/Chandler/Gallo more. I want more George Hill out of Dougie and less Nate Robinson.

rofl.. you know the jets are on my mind... posting on both sites..

and I agree, dougie needs to learn how to be a playmaker and then a scorer in thisoffense... as you said with that second unit his eyes do get wide open... maybe playing him more with gallo and chandler will make him facilitate more and shoot a bit less.... George hill would be a good example for him to shoot for..

[TheBluest]

and I agree, dougie needs to learn how to be a playmaker and then a scorer in thisoffense... as you said with that second unit his eyes do get wide open... maybe playing him more with gallo and chandler will make him facilitate more and shoot a bit less.... George hill would be a good example for him to shoot for..

I understand you can't stunt a player's growth or confidence but there has to be balance. You're not going to shoot 5-9 behind the arc every game or needed to put up 15-20FGA every game.

74FGA to 12AST and 7TOs doesn't cut it for me.

[Johnny Firpo]

Tough loss, the Knicks looked like a much better team through 3 quarters, but something always went wrong when they had a lead. Not relevant to this game, but lol at Chandler's reverse poster not being in the top 10 dunks of the week.

[GotItNow]

I'll make sure to expect every game we play the rest of the way will be a loss. That way it is impossible to feel disappointed. But, I knew they were gonna lose today. We are 0-3 when I can't watch the game live.

TKF add this into the keys!!!

[TKF]

I'll make sure to expect every game we play the rest of the way will be a loss. That way it is impossible to feel disappointed. But, I knew they were gonna lose today. We are 0-3 when I can't watch the game live.

TKF add this into the keys!!!

[Punk]

We lost simply because our defensive guards got into foul trouble. We made mental mistakes which turns into defensive lapses.

Doing to much. Amare played great, Gallo was productive, Douglas was productive and remains consistent which is great.

Tough loss. I am and still somewhat upset but i'm not going to say trade everyone like the 10 morons on this board

[dunleavyjr]

TKF,

Now that the Knicks are a .500 team (3-3), how satisfy are you?