tkf keys to the loss

[cmaff051]

I was surprised the Knicks didn't generate more looks for Gallinari. For a guy who an really shoot, he seemed passive and somewhat marginalized i the offensive flow. Is that part of the team adjusting to Amare and his need for touches?

That has been the story of Gallo's career. He is passive to a fault.

[TheBluest]

Dang tk76 post really makes you wonder if we'll have bigger issues down the road. Uh oh not our scouting(draft/film/advanced) or lack thereof doing us in again?

[tk76]

Dang tk76 post really makes you wonder if we'll have bigger issues down the road. Uh oh not our scouting(draft/film/advanced) or lack thereof doing us in again?

I'm guessing they will prepare more for better teams. But I don't think the Knicks have the talent or cohesiveness right now to sleep on anyone. Maybe if they add another star or become a more cohesive unit they can walk over bad teams just doing what they do (like how the Suns were under Dantoni.)

[cmaff051]

We really out to consider starting either Ronnie or Anthony Randolph. Mosgov stinks at this point. He's giving us nothing. We may have to bite the bullet and start Amare at the 5 and hope that Amare or Turiaf will pick up the slack at the 4.

[dk7th]

I was surprised the Knicks didn't generate more looks for Gallinari. For a guy who an really shoot, he seemed passive and somewhat marginalized i the offensive flow. Is that part of the team adjusting to Amare and his need for touches?

That has been the story of Gallo's career. He is passive to a fault.

the 76er fan was saying two different things in the same sentence. i don't see a passive player i see a player who is being marginalized-- though this year unintentionally. when gallinari gets the ball he tends to do good things. but he isn't getting the ball at then end of games nearly enough.

funny how you chose to cite the "passive" comment only.

also look at his 3rd point: "And on the plays where TD or Felton got past the [76er guards], they often made careless passes or poor shot choices."

this basically supports the notion that douglas and felton are not finding the open man on drives and hoisting up **** shots.

[tk76]

As for Evan Turner, instead of swooping and hooping, he was egregiously learning and turning

[2010]

We really out to consider starting either Ronnie or Anthony Randolph. Mosgov stinks at this point. He's giving us nothing. We may have to bite the bullet and start Amare at the 5 and hope that Amare or Turiaf will pick up the slack at the 4.

Mozgov most certainly did not stink. He actually had a nice 1st quarter and a hit a couple open jumpers at the start of the 3rd. Our lineups do not need tinkering at all. All we need is consistency and fiddling with rotations will not facilitate that. I often read your posts and end up wondering if you were watching the same game I was.

[2010]

As for Evan Turner, instead of swooping and hooping, he was egregiously learning and turning

Just curious of an outsiders perspective, but who on our team were you most impressed with overall individually?

[tk76]

Its hard to say, since I'm mostly focusing my attention on player development (on the Sixers) since their season is not about W/L.

-Amare looks good. I always wondered how he would do without Nash. But he does need to have a PG he can develop some chemistry with. He only ran the P&R once like he used to with Nash.

-TD looked great. I'm not sure he has PG instincts, but should fill a role as a pesky defender who can score and give energy. Sort of like a Nate without being a loose cannon.

-Gallinari always has that dumb deer in the headlights look, but he's a pure shooter. I've seen him more aggressive. But he looks like a guy who could really thrive on a good team where he was left wide open. As long as there is a guy looking for him. He'd be great with Lebron on the Heat, because Lebron would give him great looks, and Gallinari would not have to demand the ball to get his looks. But if you get Melo with Amare I'm doubting Gallinari gets touches. Unless you had a PG who really took charge.

-Turiaf looked afraid to do anything offensively. I realize he lacks skills, but its a bit of a waste of all of that energy.

-Chandler looks like a good guy fr a bench role. He's versatile, but does not look like he has any great strength he can utilize. And seems like the type who will get himself in trouble trying to do too much. How is he defensively?

-Mozgov looks really raw. Passive too. Defineitly has NBA size and moves fluidly. Does he every attack or show aggression?

-AR looks like he's filled out, but not really with muscle. He looks less explosive out there. Is he hurt, or just emotionally damaged and in the dog-house?

-Fields looks fine. I realize he had a bad game. But he's another guy like Chandler who can do a bit of everything, but probably lack much of a ceiling. A good 2nd round pick, but I doubt he'll ever be a top reserve or above average starter. Not a bad guy to have though.

[czoneny]

Anyone else worried that Mozgov might be a stiff?

[TKF]

Thought I'd give you some perspective form a Sixers junkie.

1. Afternoon games usually have one or both teams out of rhythm. In the Knicks case that meant poor shooting. But they also were not generating open looks. I rarely saw drives creating open 3's. And when you shoot contested shots all game, its hard to get into a rhythm. While Jrue was left wide open and dared to shoot. The Knicks went under screens all game, which is odd against a PG who shot 39% from 3 last year and came off of a 29 pt night where he shot 3-5 from deep.

2. Aggressive interior players kill the Sxiers. Even unskilled guys like Varejo. That is because Hawes and Speights are the 2 worst defensive bigs in the league (and Brand is often a step slow.) But today the only active Knicks only energy big was Turiaf- but he never tried to do anything on offense (even simple put backs or attacking when he has a wife open lane.) Amare was active, but it was not enough.

3. The Sxiers have good defensive guards in Turner and Jrue. The Knicks perimeter scheme really played to the Sixers strength, And on the plays where TD or Felton got past them, they often made careless passes or poor shot choices.

4. Jrue is on fire right now (scored 29/9 the prior game and hit 3 of 5 from 3pts.) The Knicks did nothing to take the ball out of his hands, and they went under screens all day. Not to mention that Jrue tends to go off against small PG's (Clev w/ Mo Williams and Gibson, Knicks w/ Felton/TD.) If the Knicks had hard trapped Jrue he probably would have lost his rhythm. he is a streak young player who can get flustered- but the Knicks did not seem to treat him as the Sixers #1 weapon- which is what he is (especially without Iguodala.)

I realize the Sixers are a lottery team. But the Knicks are not good enough to think they can walk over teams without actually game planning for their opponents strengths and weakness or adapting in game to try and take away the opponents best player.

5. Stop going for pump fakes. Lou is not even that great of a shooter. 2 years ago he shot 29% on 200+ 3pt attempts (was 34% last year.) Why close that hard on a guy known for driving? He's not a guy you should crowd. Let him jack 20 ft jumpers and you win. They had their defensive approach for Jrue and Lou reversed. Crowd Jrue and he gets flustered. Crowd Lou and he parades to the foul line. Lou shot 17 and 13 FT's in 2 of their previous games (in limited minutes.) Again, the Knick did not seem aware of the Sixers few weapons, and I assume they figured they did not need to game-plan against the opponents two best players... even a few minior adjustments and it would have been easy for the Knicks.

hate to be rough on your team.. losses like this bother me, especially when I think we were turning the corner.. you make a good point about jru. He is a very good guard. Honestly, I think he is as good as wall, rose or any of the PG's out there, and we didn't adjust to him very well. I think that cost us. I watched douglas go under several screens and jru hurt us. that was key..

[tk76]

Nah, Rose and Wall are on another level. Jrue is good and has a chance of being a top 7-10 PG in a year or two. But the Knicks could have taken Jrue away they just chose not to focus on him. While Rose and Wall are guys who can get theirs regardless of what the defense tries to do. Jrue is not that level of PG. He is not physically dominant.

[GoSixersBro]

Excuses are like @$$holes. Everyone has one and they all stink.

[dantian]

Amare's jump shot was off. But the game got lost in the closing minutes with TD driving and missing. And lack of focus on perimeter defense led to repeated biting on Williams fakes (Fields twice, Chandler 1) and TD going under scree to allow that huge 3 by Holliday in the closing min.

As I have been seeing all his career, Amare sets screens and creates spacing as well as anybody. If the team he is on could use this well, offense could be so easy, like with Nash. Felton is getting better at that. Fields does a great job working around Amare's screens. TD is very bad at that, or at passing in general.

[truth serum]

Hey tk76- thanks for posting. Really good insight. You know your stuff.

I missed most of the game today. Was really disappointed to see we lost and hear how we lost. This is the type of thing we would have seen from the Knicks of old and so I was hoping we'd start to turn the corner now and win these types of games early in the season to set the tone. Still confident in this team, but judging from the things tk76 stated, the Knicks need to do a better job preparing for games, especially at this point in the year. If we played anything like we played against the Wizards, this would have been another blow out. From the sounds of it (and the few minutes I did get to catch of the 2nd and 3rd quarters), this loss wasn't from a lack of effort. I'm sure there were plenty of mental lapses and in general, much less cohesion than we've seen from the Knicks the last 2 games...but for the most part, it sounds like the Knicks were just caught off guard. Basically...out-coached. Merh.

Big game in Milwaukee next. A loss there would really sting. I'd like to see the Knicks prove something here.

[chriscringle95]

Pump fakes were not our friend this game. I believe we picked up 3-4 cheap fouls that way.

THIS!

When the Knicks played good D they kept bailing out Philly with stupid perimeter fouls on jumpshots.

That is a lack of focus and a result of 3 games in 4 days. The weren't mentally sharp.

Take away the fouls and that is possibly the difference in the game.

Changed momentum and put points on the board the easy way.

[TKF]

Nah, Rose and Wall are on another level. Jrue is good and has a chance of being a top 7-10 PG in a year or two. But the Knicks could have taken Jrue away they just chose not to focus on him. While Rose and Wall are guys who can get theirs regardless of what the defense tries to do. Jrue is not that level of PG. He is not physically dominant.

NO, BUT when we are talking about running a team, jru seems to be as good doing so. yea, he is rough around the edges, but he is a better defender, physically strong, and a better shooter than both..

[aggo]

-TD looked great. I'm not sure he has PG instincts, but should fill a role as a pesky defender who can score and give energy. Sort of like a Nate without being a loose cannon.

He didn't.

His terrible overall PG play cost us this game. Every time he ran the point, they went on runs because TD has no clue how to set up any of his teammates and can only set up himself. I don't care how many steals we got. he is a good on the ball defender, but he sucks at defending screens (our whole team actually sucks at this) and it doesn't matter how many steals he gets. If he's playing PG for us, we're at a severe disadvantage on the offensive end. He is not a PG.

and if you don't believe me, check his +/- everytime he is playing PG. I bet it's terrible.

[TKF]

-TD looked great. I'm not sure he has PG instincts, but should fill a role as a pesky defender who can score and give energy. Sort of like a Nate without being a loose cannon.

He didn't.

His terrible overall PG play cost us this game. Every time he ran the point, they went on runs because TD has no clue how to set up any of his teammates and can only set up himself. I don't care how many steals we got. he is a good on the ball defender, but he sucks at defending screens (our whole team actually sucks at this) and it doesn't matter how many steals he gets. If he's playing PG for us, we're at a severe disadvantage on the offensive end. He is not a PG.

and if you don't believe me, check his +/- everytime he is playing PG. I bet it's terrible.

yea, one time TD went under the screen on Holliday and just stayed there as jru had like 3 seconds to line up a wide open three.. that was not good at all

[TheBluest]

-TD looked great. I'm not sure he has PG instincts, but should fill a role as a pesky defender who can score and give energy. Sort of like a Nate without being a loose cannon.

He didn't.

His terrible overall PG play cost us this game. Every time he ran the point, they went on runs because TD has no clue how to set up any of his teammates and can only set up himself. I don't care how many steals we got. he is a good on the ball defender, but he sucks at defending screens (our whole team actually sucks at this) and it doesn't matter how many steals he gets. If he's playing PG for us, we're at a severe disadvantage on the offensive end. He is not a PG.

and if you don't believe me, check his +/- everytime he is playing PG. I bet it's terrible.

yea, one time TD went under the screen on Holliday and just stayed there as jru had like 3 seconds to line up a wide open three.. that was not good at all

That play was so bad not only did he go under the screen but he sagged deeper into the paint. I was like talk about bailing on a play. It's akin to a wide receiver running a lazy slant route, then allowing the DB to jump it and not going after him after he picks off the pass.

Dougie isn't as bad as Aggo states offensively because his 3 ball is alive but he is approaching Nate territory with his point play. He's not as fun to watch anymore, which is sad because I think he's a good guy and all but I can't gravitate to selfish basketball players no matter how endearing their personalities are. Maybe coach is to blame here again allowing players to do whatever they want, regardless I do not like it at all.