Josh Smith?

[jowglenn]

no way we give up george. Smith is good, but woah buddy, lets waitandsee on george.

It's not like Josh Smith is an aging vet or anything. I'd gladly give up George for Josh Smith. PG may turn into something special sure, but Smith already IS special and still has plenty of life left.

Right, let's not go ridiculous here people. Smith is 24 years old, essentially an all-defensive-teamer (though I looked it up, surprisingly, he has only been once on the all-defensive team, it was 2nd team, last year) and is still getting better. If you watched him last season, you'd know he's clearly working on his game and improving a lot.


Sorry, but if you get a chance to get a guy like that, you can't let Paul George get in the way of that. Let's not get Portland-with-Rudy-Fernandez syndrome and vastly overrate our youth to the point that we don't make a necessary deal.


Dunleavy, PG and Hans for Smith would essentially be a steal for us. We'd probably take Bibby on in exchange for Ford as well, and they'd throw in Mo Evans to get rid of him too.


Let's face facts. A Hibbert/Smith/Granger frontcourt would be NASTY. just NASTY. on both ends of the court.

[Boneman2]

Considering the bargain Horford gave them, it is possible ATL doesn't have to trade anyone. Remember Crawford has a hefty expiring contract, and Bibby isn't that far behind.

The simple fact ATL doesn't have a center will almost guarantee Smith & Horford will remain together in the blocks. The only way Josh will be moved is if ATL decides to go another direction in the offseason, due to a less than desirable playoff run.

Don't get me wrong because I know Josh would be a great fit next to Hibbert, but I just don't see it happening because Al basically gave them a 2-for-1 when he signed his deal.

[jowglenn]

Yeah. It's pretty disappointing that Atlanta, who clearly is willing to be idiots with their money (Joe Johnson) was able to sign Smith for so cheap (because Memphis made him that offer, and they only had to match) and able to re-sign Horford for so cheap (5 years 60 million? I bet he would have got more on the open market.)

[aquatic92]

Yea lets give up George for a possible 1 year rental on Smith when we could keep George and look to add someone in free agency. It will be easier to get a quality 4 in FA than get a 2 that fits as well as George ideally will. If we could get him to an extension then maybe, but its too early to give up George, especiallywhen we have no1 to replace him. inb4brandonrushwhenhesnotcrackedout.

and iwould hardly consider him a star much less special (dont throw thatword around please, the knicks board thinks anthony randolph is special too), he's good but he is also the 3rd/4th scorer on a good team. Put anyone with Horford, Crawford, and JJ and they would get plenty of open looks and opportunities. But dam, itfeels like he's been around for awhile andhe's only 24 lols

[Starkiller]

Yea lets give up George for a possible 1 year rental on Smith when we could keep George and look to add someone in free agency. It will be easier to get a quality 4 in FA than get a 2 that fits as well as George ideally will. If we could get him to an extension then maybe, but its too early to give up George, especiallywhen we have no1 to replace him. inb4brandonrushwhenhesnotcrackedout.

and iwould hardly consider him a star much less special (dont throw thatword around please, the knicks board thinks anthony randolph is special too), he's good but he is also the 3rd/4th scorer on a good team. Put anyone with Horford, Crawford, and JJ and they would get plenty of open looks and opportunities. But dam, itfeels like he's been around for awhile andhe's only 24 lols

Wouldn't it be just as easy to find a SG in FA? (Mayo, Gordon)

You don't have to score to be special. See: Rajon Rondo.

[aquatic92]

Yea lets give up George for a possible 1 year rental on Smith when we could keep George and look to add someone in free agency. It will be easier to get a quality 4 in FA than get a 2 that fits as well as George ideally will. If we could get him to an extension then maybe, but its too early to give up George, especiallywhen we have no1 to replace him. inb4brandonrushwhenhesnotcrackedout.

and iwould hardly consider him a star much less special (dont throw thatword around please, the knicks board thinks anthony randolph is special too), he's good but he is also the 3rd/4th scorer on a good team. Put anyone with Horford, Crawford, and JJ and they would get plenty of open looks and opportunities. But dam, itfeels like he's been around for awhile andhe's only 24 lols

Wouldn't it be just as easy to find a SG in FA? (Mayo, Gordon)

You don't have to score to be special. See: Rajon Rondo.

Rondo comparison isnt accurate. Really? Rondo and josh Smith? Please suspend yourself for considering Josh Smith to be special like Rajon. What does Josh do that makes him special like Rondo with his playmaking ability and ability to run a team?

Hey if we got EJ id be ecstatic, but both of those guys would be restricted. The more likely of the two to resign would be EJ leaving Mayo, who doesnt seem like he would be ideal for our team, especially not as well as PG. The chances of bringing in a Landry or Green is more than 3x that of getting Gordon.

[Starkiller]

Yea lets give up George for a possible 1 year rental on Smith when we could keep George and look to add someone in free agency. It will be easier to get a quality 4 in FA than get a 2 that fits as well as George ideally will. If we could get him to an extension then maybe, but its too early to give up George, especiallywhen we have no1 to replace him. inb4brandonrushwhenhesnotcrackedout.

and iwould hardly consider him a star much less special (dont throw thatword around please, the knicks board thinks anthony randolph is special too), he's good but he is also the 3rd/4th scorer on a good team. Put anyone with Horford, Crawford, and JJ and they would get plenty of open looks and opportunities. But dam, itfeels like he's been around for awhile andhe's only 24 lols

Wouldn't it be just as easy to find a SG in FA? (Mayo, Gordon)

You don't have to score to be special. See: Rajon Rondo.

Rondo comparison isnt accurate. Really? Rondo and josh Smith? Please suspend yourself for considering Josh Smith to be special like Rajon. What does Josh do that makes him special like Rondo with his playmaking ability and ability to run a team?

Hey if we got EJ id be ecstatic, but both of those guys would be restricted. The more likely of the two to resign would be EJ leaving Mayo, who doesnt seem like he would be ideal for our team, especially not as well as PG. The chances of bringing in a Landry or Green is more than 3x that of getting Gordon.

First off, slow your role.

The point wasn't to compare the two players smart guy. Obviously Josh Smith doesn't run a team or make plays like Rondo, he's not a PG. For someone who seems so hell bent on telling everyone they are wrong at the same time proclaiming your own "genius" I figured you would have picked up on that, since you apparently are such a smart guy. Rondo doesn't score 20 a night, but dishing out 15 assists a night makes him special. So if Josh Smith pulls down 12 or so boards for us a night and 5 or so blocks w/ a couple steals AND throws in at least 10 points that wouldn't be special? That wouldn't be worth way more to us than pretty much anything PG will bring us?

So now, next time, before trying to come off like a smart guy, calm down, take some deep breaths, count back from ten, etc...no need to get all in a tussie because someone may or may not have such a vast knowledge of basketball as you apparently seem to have.

Eric Gordon in Indy is a dream of mine haha. If that happened I'd freak out.

[jowglenn]

Seriously, Aquatic92 is making no sense in this thread.

Yea lets give up George for a possible 1 year rental on Smith when we could keep George and look to add someone in free agency.

1 year rental? Smith's current contract goes through the 2012/2013 seasons. that's 3 remaining seasons. So even if we got him in the summer, we would have at the very least 2 seasons out of him, and I'm pretty sure we'd be trying to extend him. Even if we get Smith we can still add someone in FA. That's how much cap room we have.

It will be easier to get a quality 4 in FA than get a 2 that fits as well as George ideally will.

Really? I'm not so sure about that.

and iwould hardly consider him a star much less special (dont throw thatword around please, the knicks board thinks anthony randolph is special too), he's good but he is also the 3rd/4th scorer on a good team. Put anyone with Horford, Crawford, and JJ and they would get plenty of open looks and opportunities. But dam, itfeels like he's been around for awhile andhe's only 24 lols

See you're now just exposing yourself as completely unknowledgeable on the subject. Of course Josh Smith is the 3rd/4th scorer on his team. He's not a scorer. He's a defensive phenom who is one of the few guys in the league capable of recording a 5X5 (at least 5 of points, steals, blocks, assists, rebounds each). He's an elite athlete who has improved his game every year, and was essentially an all-star snub last season.

He has been around for a while. He got drafted straight out of high school. He's a year older than Hibbert, but with way more NBA experience. I don't see how that's a negative, he obviously hasn't worn his body down or anything.

Rondo comparison isnt accurate. Really? Rondo and josh Smith? Please suspend yourself for considering Josh Smith to be special like Rajon. What does Josh do that makes him special like Rondo with his playmaking ability and ability to run a team?

Seriously, stop it with the chest-puffing internet bravado, people are trying to have a discussion here and you're acting like a damn fool. Josh Smith is practically the Rajon Rondo of power forwards, so it's actually a damn good comparison. Of course he doesn't get assists or run the offense. he's a defensive minded athletic power forward. The comparison is apt, because they are both players who have offensive deficiencies (can't shoot worth ****) but make at least 3 or 4 eye-popping, you-had-to-be-there-to-appreciate-it plays.

[aquatic92]

LOL. Looks like my opinion made some people angry.

Sorry, Idk why i thought his contract was up after 1 year. Nice catch.

Name a 2 in FA next year that would fitas well as George ideally will. In terms of 4's, there is Landry and Green at the top, both ofwhich are very attainable.

A 5x5 guy? I'm sorry I do not see how thatis special. Rondo has shown the ability to be a 10-10-15 guy at times. That's special. Being able to do a bit of everything but nothing at a starlevel, thats not really special lol. And way to more than double his career blocks avg.haha.

Case and point, is itworth it to give up George among others to upgrade from a Jeff Green or Cary Landry to Josh Smith? I say no.

Calm down. Its my $.02

[Starkiller]

LOL. Looks like my opinion made some people angry.

Sorry, Idk why i thought his contract was up after 1 year. Nice catch.

Name a 2 in FA next year that would fitas well as George ideally will. In terms of 4's, there is Landry and Green at the top, both ofwhich are very attainable.

A 5x5 guy? I'm sorry I do not see how thatis special. Rondo has shown the ability to be a 10-10-15 guy at times. That's special. Being able to do a bit of everything but nothing at a starlevel, thats not really special lol. And way to more than double his career blocks avg.haha.

Case and point, is itworth it to give up George among others to upgrade from a Jeff Green or Cary Landry to Josh Smith? I say no.

Calm down. Its my $.02

LMMFAO, now you start w/ the "It's my $.02" stuff. Hilarious.

[Boneman2]

Getting Josh Smith with our capspace would be ideal. Sure ATL doesn't need it but somebody does.

We need to find a third team willing to give up value for our capspace, then we send that value along with a 1st for Smith.

Otherwise we cannot strip our team of its assets to acquire one player. We have six expirings, including McBob & Solo. Could you imagine what it would be like if we started moving nice cheap rookie deals too. We'd have like 6-7 players under contract for next season, with no 1st rounder to replenish the cupboard.

We need to focus our attention on what we can gain with our expirings, they obviously have a lot of value, see Darren Collison.

[aquatic92]

LOL. Looks like my opinion made some people angry.

Sorry, Idk why i thought his contract was up after 1 year. Nice catch.

Name a 2 in FA next year that would fitas well as George ideally will. In terms of 4's, there is Landry and Green at the top, both ofwhich are very attainable.

A 5x5 guy? I'm sorry I do not see how thatis special. Rondo has shown the ability to be a 10-10-15 guy at times. That's special. Being able to do a bit of everything but nothing at a starlevel, thats not really special lol. And way to more than double his career blocks avg.haha.

Case and point, is itworth it to give up George among others to upgrade from a Jeff Green or Cary Landry to Josh Smith? I say no.

Calm down. Its my $.02

LMMFAO, now you start w/ the "It's my $.02" stuff. Hilarious.

Should I edit it out? Does it displease you?

I see you didnt care to actually respond to my post as it relates to the thread.

Case and point, is itworth it to give up George among others to upgrade from a Jeff Green or Cary Landry to Josh Smith? I say no.

What are your expectations for George anyway? The organization is excited about him to the point where they're not going to give him away unless we get a really good piece in return. So once again, I ask, is the potential of Paul George worth upgrading from Landry/Green to Smith? Also refer to Boneman's post.

and seriously, where you are you guys getting 5 blocks per game from? Thats more than doubling his career average.

[Starkiller]

LOL. Looks like my opinion made some people angry.

Sorry, Idk why i thought his contract was up after 1 year. Nice catch.

Name a 2 in FA next year that would fitas well as George ideally will. In terms of 4's, there is Landry and Green at the top, both ofwhich are very attainable.

A 5x5 guy? I'm sorry I do not see how thatis special. Rondo has shown the ability to be a 10-10-15 guy at times. That's special. Being able to do a bit of everything but nothing at a starlevel, thats not really special lol. And way to more than double his career blocks avg.haha.

Case and point, is itworth it to give up George among others to upgrade from a Jeff Green or Cary Landry to Josh Smith? I say no.

Calm down. Its my $.02

LMMFAO, now you start w/ the "It's my $.02" stuff. Hilarious.

Should I edit it out? Does it displease you?

I could honestly care less. I was just simply pointing out the hypocrisy in your posting, in that you claim it was your opinion and people were getting mad about it, which is not the case. It's incredibly ironic that you would make a post like that, when everytime someone posts something that you may not agree with, you insist on telling them how wrong they are, and how right you are. Make this short, you look like a jackass.

I see you didnt care to actually respond to my post as it relates to the thread.

Case and point, is itworth it to give up George among others to upgrade from a Jeff Green or Cary Landry to Josh Smith? I say no.

I'll play your game, cause I can't wait to see you come back with your savvy bravado about how much you are right and I am wrong. IMO, yes. Smith is that much better than both Green or Landry. If we are to sign either Green or Landry, neither would be counted on to be a main part of the offense, especially if PG progresses. The offense will be centered around Roy/Danny/Paul/Darren, leaving the PF spot (as we have all said for the longest time now) a spot for a rebounding and shot blocking specialist who can do Roy's dirty work. Guess who is one of, if not the best guys in the NBA at that exact job? Josh Smith. He is also only 24 years old, and gets better every year. So yes, trading away PG to get a player like that is just fine w/ me, and probably a large majority of people, as whoever we could sign at PF wouldn't even factor in the offense at all, and there are guys that could fill the spot at the 2 (Mayo, Lance possibly.)

What are your expectations for George anyway? The organization is excited about him to the point where they're not going to give him away unless we get a really good piece in return. So once again, I ask, is the potential of Paul George worth upgrading from Landry/Green to Smith? Also refer to Boneman's post.

and seriously, where you are you guys getting 5 blocks per game from? Thats more than doubling his career average.

Paul George? I don't think he will ever be an all star. Nothing more than a great role player. Basically, I expect him to be what Brandon Rush was supposed to be for us. Great spot up shooter and great wing defender. I never thought was going to be a star of the future for us or ever thought the focus of the offense would be on him and taken off Danny and Roy. Think Jimmy Jackson-esque player.

I never said he (Josh Smith) could average 5 blocks a game, I said on any given night he could get 5 blocks. He's done it a few times. 3 times this season. Oh and BTW, and yes I know it's very early, but he's averaging 4.0 blocks per game.

[aquatic92]

I'm not going to argue about telling people how right i am and how wrong they are. I post what I think whether or not its agreeing or disagreeing. Posting my opinion in response to other's opinions, stating why i think im right or why i think they are wrong, is not being a jackass but thanks anyway.

I think George could be a solid number 2 scorer for us. Not All-star like you said but maybe 18ppg or something while being our lockdown guy. That may or may not be what you were thinking about for Rush idk. George is 6'9, more athletic than Rush, and with a better shooting stroke. I almost forgot, he doesnt get caught smokin maryj 3times haha so thats why i kind of disagree with them expecting George to bewhat Rush should havebeen. Thats discounting all of the potential George has, which is of course, just that, but in terms of George, i'm a bit more optimistic than I was for Rush. Especialy at the point we're atwith Rush, i'm definitely not willing to give up PG for Smith, if Rush does what you and the organization expected him to do, that might change....

About Josh being a better fit...maybe im missing something, but you're citing a lineup with PG requiring a guy like Smith, but then you say you're fine with trading PG for smith and replacing him with Lance or Mayo. Just curious, who would be able to d anyone up in that lineup on the perimeter? Before you put Smith on a guy like Kobe or LBJ, you'd be putting Granger on Gasol or Bosh. Simply asking, because if you put Smith on the perimeter, how is he going to do Roy's dirtywork and if you put him inside, who is going to play any perimeter defense?

I guess this thread is mootanyway , Atlanta "isnt shopping Smith" xD

[Miller4ever]

It might just be the snide/condescending/unnecessary smilies that you put at the end of your posts that show what you really think of other people's opinions compared to your own.

[Grang33r]

no way we give up george. Smith is good, but woah buddy, lets waitandsee on george.

Quoted for truth. There is no way they will trade Paul George. They feel like he can be a star and will keep their pet project for several years to prove them right. I like Smith, but, he is not worth giving up George.

But, lost in all this mayhem of a thread, is Hawks saying Smith is not available.... http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2010/11/5 ... ors-to-bed

[Miller4ever]

No, aquatic pointed that out.

[jowglenn]

Case and point, is itworth it to give up George among others to upgrade from a Jeff Green or Cary Landry to Josh Smith? I say no.

OK. I can see where you're coming from. I just happen to think that a) Josh Smith is head and shoulders above both those guys and b) there's no guarantee we can actually get one of those guys. I bet you OKC re-signs Green, and I'm sure Landry will get lots of looks from different teams. Though I do see us as the logical place for Landry to end up (we've got cap space, need a starting caliber PF, he went to Purdue, he fits in the age range/ level / direction of the rest of our team.)



I just think Smith is that good.