Glass QB,penalties,bad coaching, seasons over

[kellmellus50]

The lions shot them self in the foot for the last time i am throwing in the towel.
It is time to smell the coffee and move on to the draft .
My first round pick now is to draft a QB so when stafford gets injured(which he will) we will have a capable back up to lead the team to victory.

[TSE]

2 minutes left in the game, up 3 pts w/a 3rd and 6 from our own 38 we try to pass. We had just about the best punting position possible to pin them deep, and sure a first down wins the game, but the guarantee of another play clock burn is worth more. The Jets scraped and clawed and picked up a PF call to get into position to tie it up, had they been short another 40 seconds they would have had a far harder time trying to convert that chance than we did to be successful with a pass play. Never pass up a guaranteed chance to cripple a team hard. They needed for us to gamble and give them a game to play to pick up 40 seconds, it was a desperate hope of theirs for us to participate and we played right into what they would have picked that we do to give them one extra chance for the dice of luck to give them an opportunity.

[kellmellus50]

The coach choose SUR (bad choice) to kick the extra point isn't their another person on the whole team that could have kicked that ? If they had made that extra point we would have won the game too. It's the same story over and over bad coaching,bad penalitys,and an injured QB typical lions.

[ajaX82]

Lets just hope the shoulder is okay and it was just a stinger or something. I'm not ready to say Matt is made of glass, but this trend is certainly getting concerning. Matt needs to learn to protect himself better

I laughed when you said your first round pick is now a QB. From WR to QB? It's like you are trying to do the opposite of what we need to, you kill me.

[kellmellus50]

If you can’t trust that Stafford will survive the most innocent-looking tackle, how can you possibly have confidence that he will hold up through the truly bone-crushing hits that quarterbacks must endure if they expect to last long term in the NFL. It isn’t a question of toughness. It’s a matter of durability.

You don’t have a franchise quarterback if the franchise can’t count on him to play more games than he misses.

This is now the fourth injury in a year and a half for Stafford and it's becoming more apparent now that he can't stay healthy, no matter what the Lions do. Stafford will likely have an MRI in the next 24 hours to see exactly the extent of the injury.

Stafford too slow can't escape tackles,You have to draft another QB in next years draft .

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[Bartender]

If you can’t trust that Stafford will survive the most innocent-looking tackle, how can you possibly have confidence that he will hold up through the truly bone-crushing hits that quarterbacks must endure if they expect to last long term in the NFL. It isn’t a question of toughness. It’s a matter of durability.

You don’t have a franchise quarterback if the franchise can’t count on him to play more games than he misses.

This is now the fourth injury in a year and a half for Stafford and it's becoming more apparent now that he can't stay healthy, no matter what the Lions do. Stafford will likely have an MRI in the next 24 hours to see exactly the extent of the injury.

Stafford too slow can't escape tackles,You have to draft another QB in next years draft .

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20101107/SPO ... z14gchNHAU



Read more: Drew Sharp: Can Lions' Matthew Stafford really be franchise QB? | freep.com | Detroit Free Press http://www.freep.com/article/20101107/C ... z14gZ3tyAM

Stafford is actually pretty fast compared to a lot of QB's in this league. You see his TD run? Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and Brett Favre can't do that. Matty can.

Why draft a QB in the first round?!?! We have Shaun Hill who is the best back up in the NFL. You can't give up on Matt right now and still pay him all that money as well as paying all that money to ANOTHER first round quarterback.

I swear, talking to you is like teaching my girlfriend general football... only I wanna kick your face so much more.


Hate girls.


(Don't care if I get banned over this b1tch.)

[Piston Pete]

We lost the game cuz Hanson got injured....

We need to draft a kicker in the 1st round.

[Liqourish]

If you can’t trust that Stafford will survive the most innocent-looking tackle, how can you possibly have confidence that he will hold up through the truly bone-crushing hits that quarterbacks must endure if they expect to last long term in the NFL. It isn’t a question of toughness. It’s a matter of durability.

You don’t have a franchise quarterback if the franchise can’t count on him to play more games than he misses.

This is now the fourth injury in a year and a half for Stafford and it's becoming more apparent now that he can't stay healthy, no matter what the Lions do. Stafford will likely have an MRI in the next 24 hours to see exactly the extent of the injury.

Stafford too slow can't escape tackles,You have to draft another QB in next years draft .

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20101107/SPO ... z14gchNHAU



Read more: Drew Sharp: Can Lions' Matthew Stafford really be franchise QB? | freep.com | Detroit Free Press http://www.freep.com/article/20101107/C ... z14gZ3tyAM

Stafford is actually pretty fast compared to a lot of QB's in this league. You see his TD run? Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and Brett Favre can't do that. Matty can.

Why draft a QB in the first round?!?! We have Shaun Hill who is the best back up in the NFL. You can't give up on Matt right now and still pay him all that money as well as paying all that money to ANOTHER first round quarterback.

I swear, talking to you is like teaching my girlfriend general football... only I wanna kick your face so much more.


Hate girls.


(Don't care if I get banned over this b1tch.)

I don't blame you, I'm tired of her too.

[kellmellus50]

I made a formal complaint to Ajax and Howard Mass about bartender demeaning remarks .

[Bartender]

I made a formal complaint to Ajax and Howard Mass about bartender demeaning remarks .

So? lol

[ajaX82]

Guys, keep the personal attacks out of it. Check your PMs bar

[TSE]

We lost the game cuz Hanson got injured....

We need to draft a kicker in the 1st round.

I really think that Mayhew and Schwartz were responsible for this loss. Our other players and coaches did their job, and those 2 guys keep shortchanging our odds and turning our W's on the field into L's in the record book. This is a real shame, cause those guys don't have to play the game, they have one job to do and that's to not handicap us with off the field mistakes, and they keep making them and failing to correct their previous errors. If they approached their jobs more shrewdly from a mental standpoint, then we would be in the playoffs this year.

[TSE]

Stafford is actually pretty fast compared to a lot of QB's in this league. You see his TD run? Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and Brett Favre can't do that. Matty can.

Yeah, I saw it. Not nearly as good as our rushing QB who does it much better. When Stafford is in the game, our QB running options take a hit, so I wouldn't be tooting that as a strength of his. He is much worse at that element, and his arm and injury resilience and decision making are supposed to make up for it. And so far he has been nothing but a disappointment on those 3 elements. His arm is strong but he has sucked on touch and accuracy, still does a weak job of decision making, and obviously he can't stay healthy.

[Bartender]

Stafford is actually pretty fast compared to a lot of QB's in this league. You see his TD run? Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and Brett Favre can't do that. Matty can.

Yeah, I saw it. Not nearly as good as our rushing QB who does it much better. When Stafford is in the game, our QB running options take a hit, so I wouldn't be tooting that as a strength of his. He is much worse at that element, and his arm and injury resilience and decision making are supposed to make up for it. And so far he has been nothing but a disappointment on those 3 elements. His arm is strong but he has sucked on touch and accuracy, still does a weak job of decision making, and obviously he can't stay healthy.

Decision making? He has 7 TD's (one rushing) to only 1 INT in only one and three quarters of play this year. His touch and accuracy are FAR improved from last year, and if it wasn't for WR drops, his completion percentage would be above 60%, since it's at 59 right now. He has a 91.3 passer rating. Every game he has been in, we were winning (Chicago, Washington, and NYJ), and when he leaves with injury, that's when we lose. Yeah, his injuries have been disappointing, but when he is in the game, we win. We just have to get him healthy. The only thing I can say is Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, and Phillip Rivers all suffered injuries when first coming out of college.

[TSE]

If he had GOOD touch and accuracy then he would just have more TDs and a higher percentage and a higher rating. The numbers he has now are not 100% indicative of what he's worth, it's too small of a sample size. A bad QB can easily post numbers like that over a small stretch of games and a good QB can easily post horrible numbers over a small stretch. Either way, given the circumstances of his specific situation and his specific lot of plays, he has done a weak job, and failed to meet my minimum expectations for him as of yet. Until he meets my standards I'm going to call him out for not giving us anywhere close to a good enough performance of what we should expect. Based on his contract he isn't remotely close, but I'm not picking on him to give me 100% of every dollar's worth, yet he is still coming up short overall.

[Dr. Detfink]

Typical Detroit fans panicing like a bunch of suburbanites that turned down Warren E. Off Jefferson.

Before every one overscrutinizes Matthew Stafford, let's look back on how many first round picks detroit has wasted on a QB: Chuck Long, Andre Ware, Joey Harrington...trust me, Stafford is the best QB detroit has had in quite some time.

The problem is, the offensive line needs to be desperately improved. I know Schwartz wants his defense but you might want to upgrade the LT in the NFC North where you will face Julius Peppers, Jared Allen, Clay Matthews each twice a season.

This is a no brainer because if Stafford doesn't get hit by Peppers (who came in untouched) he never misses 5 weeks, comes back without the shoulder fully healed, and faces a blitz happy team like the Jets.

Don't blame the QB, blame the organization who under Millen set this team back 4 seasons. Detroit needs two more seasons before its not an expansion franchise but the future is there.

[TSE]

Interesting points. But I'm going to stick with blaming the QB. And the guy that selected him. I'd rather trade Stafford for Colt McCoy and the difference in value. But that deal isn't on the table now, you had to choose that deal with foresight before the picks are made, and we bailed on that option and a dozen other QB options for the right to pay an unbelievable contract to a guy who was not anywhere remotely close to an unbelievable prospect. It's just stupid no matter what Matt ends up doing, the problem is the thinking behind it, and that kind of thinking that is preventing us from getting to higher levels of achievement.

[Icness]

Stafford has been very good this year but the injuries are a very real problem. 9 quarters of good football is not enough for a frontline starting QB. He was clearly the better QB than The Sanchize, and I say that as a Mark Sanchez fan. LOL at complaining about Stafford's mobility--did you see Sanchez try to run? Or Matt Ryan's tripping over his own feet twice? Mobility for the QB is so incredibly overrated. Pocket awareness and quick release are much more important to avoiding sacks. Peyton Manning is probably the worst athlete in the league, yet he gets sacked about 1/6 the amount of times that Mike Vick does throughout their careers.

Suh was an all-conference kicker in HS so he does have experience at kicking. He even made a 44-yard FG. I do think it's time to move on from Hanson though. The kickoffs aren't booming anymore and he's been hurt as much as Stafford the last two years now. Who was the dude we had in preseason again?

Bad decision by Schwartz to throw. The real bad thing about that play is that even with the completion it wasn't going to be a first down. Stupid call made worse by it being the 3rd string QB with noted accuracy issues.

[Bartender]

Typical Detroit fans panicing like a bunch of suburbanites that turned down Warren E. Off Jefferson.

Before every one overscrutinizes Matthew Stafford, let's look back on how many first round picks detroit has wasted on a QB: Chuck Long, Andre Ware, Joey Harrington...trust me, Stafford is the best QB detroit has had in quite some time.

The problem is, the offensive line needs to be desperately improved. I know Schwartz wants his defense but you might want to upgrade the LT in the NFC North where you will face Julius Peppers, Jared Allen, Clay Matthews each twice a season.

This is a no brainer because if Stafford doesn't get hit by Peppers (who came in untouched) he never misses 5 weeks, comes back without the shoulder fully healed, and faces a blitz happy team like the Jets.

Don't blame the QB, blame the organization who under Millen set this team back 4 seasons. Detroit needs two more seasons before its not an expansion franchise but the future is there.

You obviously don't even watch any games because Jeff Backus has been one of the best LT's in the NFL this year and our whole OLine is the best pass protecting OLine in the NFC. We only have 12 sacks through 8 games and that's incredible. The Jets (best OLine in the entire NFL) only have 11. The OLine is playing lights out in the passing game this year, so the OLine is far from the problem, in concerns to Matthew Stafford. There's not many LT's that can take on Peppers one on one, so that injury in week one was just Stafford not being able to take a hit because Peppers hits QB's like that week in and week out regardless of who the QB is, but only Matt is effected by it? Hmmm. Matt has the potential to be the best QB in Lions history, but he can't do that if he can't stay healthy. One more year is all I'm giving him, since Drew Brees used to have the same issues with his shoulder and look at him now. One year.

[TSE]

I do think it's time to move on from Hanson though. The kickoffs aren't booming anymore and he's been hurt as much as Stafford the last two years now. Who was the dude we had in preseason again?

Hanson is under contract for 2 more seasons after this one. I think the Lions will be drafting a Kicker in the year 2013 next, but not before, so I don't think you are going to get your wish. I doubt they would trade him, but that would be the only way he's going to lose his job, he's just too damn good at FGs and he will be gold for the next 2 seasons as well.