Game 8 - Trail Blazers - Pistons 11.9.10

[Todd3]

I don't like Kuester that much but I think its wrong to place the blame on him when the problem is all about this BS roster

Kuester has two SGs- Rip and Gordon. Both played the same mins tonight, he can't ignore Rip as a coach half his job is to manage egos and well all know that Rip has a a big one. Its not like Rip played all game, he just played half. He was bad out there but what can Kuester do? He has two starting caliber SGs. Neither of them can really excel as long as the other one is there. Whose fault is that?

It is the fault of Rip and Kuester. Rip because he could play better than he does. Kuester because he does not do anything to keep Rip from making the same mistakes over and over. Rip was particularly atrocious in the 3rd. Why does Kuester do nothing about it? And not just that, why does he continually run plays through Rip? Rip keeps getting the ball and is a terrible decision maker and passer, and he is not creating for himself.

EXACTLY!

Kuester just lets Rip do whatever he wants and there is no consequences ever. I remember the first week Kuester was hired, he attended Rip's wedding. I'm starting to think Kuester was the bride that day, because Rip plays him like his little biotch!

[princeofpalace]

If you don't play your SG that makes 12.5 mil for the next 3 years it kills his trade value. Pistons cannot afford to Eddy Curry Rip Hamilton if they really intend to move him. It sucks, but it is what it is. Rip had a crappy game tonight, so did everyone though. I would rather player BG but as long as Rip is here the pair will split minutes

[Seven11]

Wowwwww, did you guys see the Pacers highlights? I thought we were bad at defense. DAMN! The Nuggets are done.

The Nuggets have been playing surprisingly well this season despite the Melo dispute. Every team has its let-ups, but that was a stomping.

[ComboGuardCity]

Rip has to play or we're stuck with him for 2.5 more years. We're not going anywhere. Why not give him minutes until another team comes knocking.

[Todd3]

Knowing when to sit a player who is playing bad is probably the best thing you could do if you're in fact trying to showcase him. Showing him suck on display to the whole league is only hurting his value.

Kuester just doesn't have the guts to stand up to him. Either that or he doesn't have the brains to notice when one of his plays is playing bad.

After all that attention his last comments created, I don't think he's going to do anything to discipline anyone again. He's even more afraid now to cause the same stir again..

[Spider156]

Rip has to play or we're stuck with him for 2.5 more years. We're not going anywhere. Why not give him minutes until another team comes knocking.

If this is the case then people need to stop complaining about Gordon not getting enough minutes.

So you guys want Rip to get minutes to trade and then complain because Gordon doesn't get enough.

[Seven11]

Face it. No matter how much you try to showcase Rip, he isn't getting traded. Nobody wants him for that horrible contract. Only a team in win-now mode will take him. Therefore, let me take that back. There actually is a team that fits that bill that is interested in his services, the Chicago Bulls, but they will only take on his contract to get rid of their own horrible contract in Luol Deng. Not to mention that they would want Austin Daye along with the exchange. With that being said, Rip isn't going anywhere. As a Ben Gordon fan, I hope y'all just trade BG. He's a whole lot easier to trade. How dare the Pistons sign BG to a big contract, and then give him sparse minutes, and then complain about him not putting up the same production he did in Chicago? Newsflash, even when he came off of the bench in Chicago he still got starter minutes...and by every season's end in Chicago he was starting when they made a playoff run.

TRADE BG!!!

[Todd3]

Kuester manages to hold back every players minutes juuust enough so that none of them will ever really get hot and win a game for you. Its like he neutralizes his own players, and they all cancel each other out.

[Seven11]

Kuester manages to hold back every players minutes juuust enough so that none of them will ever really get hot and win a game for you. Its like he neutralizes his own players, and they all cancel each other out.

Pretty much

[Todd3]

Bynum never gets Monroe when he is open and rolling to the basket.

Yep. I'm glad someone else notices that too. I see so many times during the games where Monroe slips to the basket wide open, waving his hands calling for the ball. You can then tell Bynum see's him, but then turns his head away and dribbles the other direction.

I said yesterday Bynum has something against Monroe and/or going inside.

I dislike Bynum very much. I can't stand selfish, me-first guards, and Bynum epitomizes that type of player. I don't care how many assists he gets, its only the plays to make him look better, never the winning plays.

Stuckey ignores Monroe too, but not as much since they don't play much together, but Stuckey does a lot of the same things.

As I expected, the law of averages brought Stuckey back to reality tonight and showed the inconsistent PG he really is.

[Shem]

The Blazers suck by the way. They are way too overrated! They make too many mistakes.

Then what does that make the Pistons since we destroyed you tonight?

I don't know HOW THE HELL we're only 9 pts down. The Blazers are truly overrated.

Well, we took care of that letdown by making it a 22 point win now didn't we?

[Spider156]

The Blazers suck by the way. They are way too overrated! They make too many mistakes.

Then what does that make the Pistons since we destroyed you tonight?

I don't know HOW THE HELL we're only 9 pts down. The Blazers are truly overrated.

Well, we took care of that letdown by making it a 22 point win now didn't we?

I don't understand what you're trying to prove. The Blazers need to bite down. Stop talking about this team, we all the Detroit Pistons suck. But the Blazers are supposed to be contenders in the West. The only person keeping them together is Miller. Your team's defense is average at best. I'm not trying to make the Blazers look bad. I was serious when I said the Blazers are my favorite in the West. But you guys need to step it up with the chemistry and defense. I'm being honest here. If you give Utah Hamilton they're instantly better than you guys. That's horrible.

[Todd3]

yeah, I dont get what that Blazer fan is trying prove. Everyone here thinks the Pistons suck too, but I agree the Blazers don't look that great from an objective perspective. Just play tight man defense on them and they would get shut down by most of the top teams. Not enough talent, but good coaching. The only time time they scored was when one of our defenders lost his man, and we have some of the worst individual defenders in the league. Against a good man defense, they will be exposed.

[princeofpalace]

CV has been much improved this season. He won't be a good defender, but he's shown that's he's changed his attitude, and really that's the only thing you can ask. Attitude and effort are the reason guys like Jonas play i this league. (Not comparing CV to Jonas, just saying his effort and attitude have picked up)
I realize you don't like CV and You probably realize I like the guy - We'll always have to agree to disagree.

This is not an indictment on CV's game.

This is simply about the fact that Daye and CV are too similiar to both be on the team. Once Jonas gets back one of them will be buried in the rotation and IMO its likely to be CV.

Pistons need a balanced roster, all they have so far are redundant pieces.

You have Stuckey and Bynum- two drive and dish PGs. Bynums been crap since he got his contract so obviously yu choose Stuck and ship out Bynum for a pass first PG.

You have Rip and Gordon- two starting caliber SG. Rips is older and not as good, obviously you choose Gordon and ship Rip out for anything.

You have Daye and CV- two soft F's who can score but cannot defend. Daye is younger, a better rebounder and has more upside. The choice is obviously Daye and ship CV out for a defensive player on the perimeter.

You cannot build a winning team without complimentary players and Pistons don't have guys that compliment eachother they have guys who are the same except for Wallace at C and Prince at SF.

[motorcity15]

^^^ this

our roster is redundant. It's to versatile for its own good. Defined roles

[dVs33]

CV has been much improved this season. He won't be a good defender, but he's shown that's he's changed his attitude, and really that's the only thing you can ask. Attitude and effort are the reason guys like Jonas play i this league. (Not comparing CV to Jonas, just saying his effort and attitude have picked up)
I realize you don't like CV and You probably realize I like the guy - We'll always have to agree to disagree.

This is not an indictment on CV's game.

This is simply about the fact that Daye and CV are too similiar to both be on the team. Once Jonas gets back one of them will be buried in the rotation and IMO its likely to be CV.

Pistons need a balanced roster, all they have so far are redundant pieces.

You have Stuckey and Bynum- two drive and dish PGs. Bynums been crap since he got his contract so obviously yu choose Stuck and ship out Bynum for a pass first PG.

You have Rip and Gordon- two starting caliber SG. Rips is older and not as good, obviously you choose Gordon and ship Rip out for anything.

You have Daye and CV- two soft F's who can score but cannot defend. Daye is younger, a better rebounder and has more upside. The choice is obviously Daye and ship CV out for a defensive player on the perimeter.

You cannot build a winning team without complimentary players and Pistons don't have guys that compliment eachother they have guys who are the same except for Wallace at C and Prince at SF.

Fair points, but my perspective on Daye and CV differs.
Daye is clearly a SF. His height/length make up for his lack sheer pace. CV is better suited to PF.
So I personally don't see the situation as Daye OR CV since they should/could play together.
Trade Bynum and RIP though?? HELL YEAHH!!

The problem with the defense is the cohesion isn't there. Solid team defense will always cover the flaws of individuals, well most of the time anyway
I may be simplifying the situation here, but add a young defensive center to this team (and move RIP) and most problems are solved.And not to put too much pressure on Monroe, but he could be the answer.
Wallaces defensive IQ is always going to be there but his age and lack of length is showing. So therefore guys like CV and Daye have lost their safety net. Add a legit 7footer with above average defensive abilities and they won't look as bad. And Maxiell can't bring that sort of presence FWIW.

[princeofpalace]

I really dont ever want to see Daye and CV playing together unless they have Dwight Howard in the middle.

Yeah a sound team defense will cover individual defenders flaws but when the vast majority of the team doesn't play D, you can't expect to have a sound team defense when your roster is littered with offense only types.

As for the bit about Pistons just needed a defensive anchor as their C. There really arent an overabundance of defensive bigs out there capable of anchoring the D. Theres Howard, Bogut when he's healthy and maybe Oden if he ever gets healthy. Thats pretty much it. Monroe can be an adaquate defender but I don't think he has the athleticism or the strength to anchor the D, he certainly doesn't have the shotblocking skills.

This is how I think the roster needs to look in order for Detroit to be competitive

Stuckey/Passing PG
Gordon/Defensive SG
Prince/TMAC
Daye/Defensive PF
Wallace/Monroe

[Darwin]

Kuester manages to hold back every players minutes juuust enough so that none of them will ever really get hot and win a game for you. Its like he neutralizes his own players, and they all cancel each other out.

It's not Kuester's fault. These guys are not top-tier players and none of them can win a game for you. What he needs is to share the scoring, rebounding, and passing evenly throughout the lineups. That is how the Pistons played and won the Charlotte game (go watch the first quarter).

[Spider156]

Ok here's what I think. Daye and CV can't play with each other unless one of them is off the bench.

The perfect player for us is Perkins and I don't know if he's willing to come here. I would love him, no homo.

Keep Stuckey at pg, the Portland game was just horrible. If he does the same type of gameplay the next game against the Clippers then I would consider putting him as a sixth man. So far in the season he's been playing great as a pg but the Portland game was just horrible. That's not the Stuckey I've been watching.

Trade Bynum, his contract isn't huge at all. I've seen nothing from him to keep him ever since his contract. He needs to go. I thought he was a pass first point guard like he says he is but he's truly worse than Stuckey. I'd trade him for a pass first point guard like Blake or Fisher type of player.

Wallace is definetly going to lose his starting position by the middle of the season. I see Monroe having more confidence in himself and definetly doesn't look confused out there. His finishing needs lots of work and his strength is weak. If I was Kander, I would make him work on Monroe's strength and athleticism all offseason like how Daye did. I think both of them need more work. Also, I see Monroe's defense has actually been his best aspect of his game and I'm really happy about that. If only he can post down stronger, he'll get even better. Strength is Monroe's problem which can be fixed in one offseason with the right work.

If you guys want defense then I think Maxiell is great where he stands. Why trade him? He can be a great role player on a playoff team and I think we should keep him IF we're looking to go in the middle of the playoofs next season. If not, then he's an expiring next season. He's the least of our problems.

I think Rip really needs to go for our roster to balance out. But the problem is how would Gordon be if Rip is gone? His defense isn't good enough. Therefore, you get someone like Afflalo or Allen off the bench.

We need Jerebko back. Not right now, but definetly after Feb. I can't wait. Him and Monroe are the only real players I see with a great role on this team. Stuckey is right there with them but he needs this year to figure out if he can take care of the point guard position. He's not a point guard but I can see him win a championship with that type of defense and with the right players around him. his problem is he's not consistent as a point guad and you need players like Monroe to help him move the ball more. Another passing big wouldn't hurt. Definetly trade Rip and Prince away. They don't fit Stuckey.

CV is a luxury player. We can't afford to use him. I've been happy with what he's been doing because I don't expect any more than what he's giving. He's doing what he got paid to do. The problem is that it's too much money for little momentum. I feel like Kuesuck has alot to do with it.

Anyways, I think we need to keep it simple and we should focus on the biggest problem and that's Rip and the PF position. If Dumars addresses that this season, I'd be happy.

[Spider156]

Kuester manages to hold back every players minutes juuust enough so that none of them will ever really get hot and win a game for you. Its like he neutralizes his own players, and they all cancel each other out.

It's not Kuester's fault. These guys are not top-tier players and none of them can win a game for you. What he needs is to share the scoring, rebounding, and passing evenly throughout the lineups. That is how the Pistons played and won the Charlotte game (go watch the first quarter).

That's who we played in the first quarter against Portland and everything flowed. It was our defense that couldn't keep up in the first half. Then the second half, we were bad on both ends. Kuesuck just can't get it. I hate that question mark face of his.