Game Thread - Washington Wizards vs Chicago Bulls

[JWizmentality]

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 2010
United Center - Chicago, IL
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PREVIEW

It took two seasons for Chicago's Derrick Rose to establish himself as one of the top point guards in the NBA.

Washington rookie John Wall has the potential to follow the same path.

Two of the last three overall No. 1 picks meet for the first time Saturday night at the United Center when the Bulls try for a fourth straight home win over the Wizards.

Rose, the first overall pick in 2008, made his first All-Star team on the way to averaging 20.8 points and 6.0 assists in 2009-10. The Chicago native has been even better this season, averaging 23.6 points and 9.7 assists.

He had 22 and 13 assists for his third double-double of the season in Chicago's 120-90 win over a tired Golden State team Thursday. Rose and Luol Deng, who had 26 points and 11 rebounds, combined for 39 points in the first half as the Bulls (4-3) shot 54.8 percent and set a season high for points.

"We want to play fast. It works to our advantage," forward Joakim Noah told the Bulls' official website. "We can be a dangerous team when we play uptempo like that. It's a good fit for us."

The Bulls have a chance to do that against a Washington club that's allowed 104.1 points per contest this season. The Wizards have given up 112.0 a game while losing three in a row at the United Center.

http://www.nba.com/games/20101113/WASCH ... 0021000134
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JOSH HOWARD

ACL Surgery - Day to day

CARLOS BOOZER

Broken right hand - Out until late November
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ARENAS TO WALL
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THE POO STORY
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9thi8tBbC6Q[/youtube]
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GOOD JUJU

REALLY GOOD JUJU

MIGHTY GOOD JUJU

AYEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
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[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Anybody wanted to take this one? I already recently made one, so if someone wants this one just say so and the mods can lock this. Otherwise I can get this one up by the end of the night.

Just please, I beg you... No luv a bulls!!

[JWizmentality]

Who do you think you're talkin to brotha? JWiz will hook this thread up!

[SportsWorld]

It's a WGN America game for those outside of DC. Good luck guys.

[dlts20]

The Thorton Injury Sucks, But........




the one good thing about it is that Gil may finally get a start. I hope Al isnt out because I like what he brings but I said all along that Gil should start this next game when you look at the SG's we have coming up. They are either non scorers or they are averaged sized SG's. Its the perfect time to put Gil in.

Im probably in the minority but I actually like what Im seeing from Gil. Dont get me wrong, he makes me want to pull my hair out alot of times but I think the majority of his problems come from rust, timing, & being a little out of shape. His all around game has been beast though. He goes for boards harder than anyone on our team. Thats one huge reason why I wanted him starting over Kirk from the jump because we need those boards and he can get some of the one's that our bigs cant. I also still think he's probably the best pure passer & decision maker on our team.

His problems come in with his handles & his shooting/scoring ability. I think all of that will come back with time. He's always had some of the best handles in the league. He can pretty much do any move & never lose the ball. However, over the last 2 years he loses the ball alot when he tries to make a move. Then because the ball gets lost, the defender is off him some which leaves Gil pretty open for the shot but your pretty much always going to miss it if you lose the rock & then shoot it up. His legs clearly arent fully under him yet. Once he gets those backs then those J's will go down.

I loved yesterday when he couldnt make a J so he started to drive everytime & every single time he got us a great shot for someone else. Its great to see him penetrate more and when he gets comfortable then he will start looking for his shot. He will get alot more comfortable by starting. Having to sit makes him nervous & you can tell it just throws him off some so it takes him awhile to find his game. His D has actually been pretty good also.

I thought Flip actually mightve cost us 3 games. I think he cost us the Hawks game by benching McGee for Yi down the stretch. Then I think he cost us the Cavs game by benching Thorton for Gil when Al was a beast & Gil was clearly out of it. Then I thought last night that Wall shouldve been benched for NY. You cant worry about who your stars are, you have to play the best fit at the time. Gil was taking over with his playmaking skills in the 4th so we needed another shooter on the floor. Too many times Gil drove only to kick to a wide open Wall that is forced to take that J and we all know thats not a great idea. If NY was in that spot then things look different. Wall or anyone else doesnt have to finish every single game. If one game brings a better mix with someone else then you plya that guy.

Anyways, I think Gil is getting more confident about how he's playing D, rebounding, passing, and making plays for others. Now the last step is the scoring & I think that comes when he starts. He had his best Preseason game against the Bulls and they start Bogans at the 2. Let Gil start & let Al sit & get healthy. You can start Kirk at the 3 if you want since Flip likes that lineup & he's playing the Bulls but I have no doubt that when Al comes back then Gil will still be the starter. He'll play that well.

Some probably think we suck & are dissapointed but Im not. I think we are still good to go. I look at it like we are in these games with Gil sucking at scoring. When he gets back to being a real threat who can score even 20 then these games will look alot different and thats not even including adding Howard & Dray getting more into shape. Some probably think Gil wont get back to that but trust, he will. You can see it. Its just about finding your way right now. Him & Wall together will be sick & Kirk will be one of the best backup PG's in the league. I may even leave Howard on the bench with him all year if Gil gets back right. Thorton is solid and then you have a great vetrean bench with Kirk, Howard, and Yi or whoever. I honestly wouldnt be shocked if Gil looked good and we beat the Bulls or come very close tonight, seriously

[kirubel94]

I seriously Hope that Booker starts over young or arenas tonight @ the SF. I dont like either of them checking Deng.

[AceDegenerate]

Because I'm sure Booker will do a great job at that too. If Booker started he would be sitting in less than 5 minutes with 2 fouls.

[miller31time]

After the Ravens loss on Thursday, then actually going to the Wizards game yesterday and watching them lose, I'm going to need a win tonight.

[miller31time]

Oh, and JWiz's gamethreads are all flash, no substance.

That is all.

[JWizmentality]

Oh, and JWiz's gamethreads are all flash, no substance.

That is all.

Green really is your color.

[hands11]

Looks like we are picking this up in here.

I hear ya dlts20

So you think starting Gil is the answer for tonight ? Personally, I'm not so sure that helps us. Actually, it could make things even worse. With maybe no AT, we are already doing to need to adjust. Gil and Wall adjusting to each other is something we are already doing by putting them in together as different points in the game. They will get better in time but it is going to take time as each adjust and expands there game. In the end it will be a better version of Gil and Hughes. I saw some progress in yesterdays game as Gil handled the ball sometimes when they were both out there giving Wall a taste of playing the off guard in that situation. While Wall didn't hit the open shots, he still got a taste of what that looked like. Wall is a quick study so I would expect that experience to turn into fruit in short order. Maybe even this next game. That is how fast Wall learns.

But Wall has more experience and productiveness running the team without Gil and Gil more experience running it without Wall. So let Gil do that with the second unit with Nick at SG who he knows and likes and feels comfortable with. That way you get the most out of both line ups. Gil isn't going to miss that many shots again. That was rust. I would run Wall and Kirk and Gil and Nick. This give Gil the best chance to play his way back into his game also. Then you do like we have and give Wall and Gil some minutes together so they can continue to learn how to make the most of that with each playing some PG and some off the ball. Eventually, that will be a productive way to finish the game. Them starting together isn't as important. I think it is better to spread out there talents the first three quarters.

I think that makes the most sense for now for PG and SG. I would rather see Gil leading the 2nd unit with room to operate than to see him trying to figure out and limit his game with Wall in the first unit right now. Gil needs room to find his game right now. That is enough for him to worry about as he plays back into shape. Plus, Gil running the second unit is more powerful than Kirk doing it. With us being short handed on post play, we need to max the talent we have and that is at guard.

With so much going on, I wouldn't change that part nor is it our biggest problem. The problem is SF, PF and Center if we don't have Al.

IMO

[Tetlak]

I came over here to see what you guys thought about Wall v Rose. I have just got to say, this is the greatest game thread I have ever seen. Bravo man. You a truly a master at your craft.

[AceDegenerate]

Wall vs. Rose should be an exciting matchup tonight. Rose seemed to really get the best of Wall in the pre-season so you have to wonder if Wall comes out looking to set the tone early on tonight. Should be a good one.

[dlts20]

Anyone see Rose's comments on the main board? Should be a good one

[DallasShalDune]

I'm expecting the Wiz to get beat badly, but that is just because we're still learning (Wall in particular; he's fantastic and will be the best pg one day, but he can't close out games yet) and underhanded (a bigger reason for my prediction). No big deal either way.

I HOPE for a win though.

[Hoopalotta]

Rose? You guys are worried about Rose?

Lookit, I'm only going to say this once.....

Watch out for Scalabrine slashing to the bucket!

[LyricalRico]

Noah's rebounding and Korver's shooting will be key elements in a big Bulls win.

[pancakes3]

Anyone see Rose's comments on the main board? Should be a good one

i don't go to general discussion. what was said?

[dlts20]

Noah's rebounding and Korver's shooting will be key elements in a big Bulls win.

No way. We are in this one tonight, if Flip starts Gil

[Hoopalotta]

Wasn't it, like, six days ago when Flip said Gil was going to be limited on back to backs? Last I looked, ESPN still had him listed as day to day.

Edit --> The Acuscore at ESPN is giving the boys a robust 13% chance of victory!

http://espn.go.com/nba/preview?gameId=301113004

Gil is still officially listed as day to day there, as is Al, though that doesn't mean much.