Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[FAH1223]

I was just about to post that...

Whats the deal with Cousins anyway, he looked good in preseason and now hes not even starting>? Is it the attitude problem?

Cousins coming here... reuniting with Wall, he may change...

But then you have to factor in Flip, he would probably do his nut from frustration. McGee might be a knucklehead who goofs around and needs a lot of work, but at least he is trying.

The potential of Cousins and the chemistry between he and Wall is pretty tantalizing though.

Sacramento would probably ask for our 1st rd pick in addition to McGee.

Fair trade. I am 100% convinced McGee will NEVER get it

[willbcocks]

Unprotected first plus Mcgee for Cousins sounds great. I'd worry about the interior D a bit longterm though.

[Hoopalotta]

McGee in a consolidation trade would be theoretically doable, but I'd hold off of Cousins. I've only seen one Kings game so far, but the Sactown defense elevated tenfold as soon as Dalembert came in and I've really got to question his athleticism and intensity as long term inhibitors in addition to the general bombastic capriciousness. Really ground bound and lethargic out there to where I don't think he'll ever be passable on that end of the court. He's obviously out of shape, but you have to wonder if conditioning's ever going to be a real point of strength.

Nice skill, hands, touch and court sense offensively, but not a complete player and I don't see why we'd expect that he ever will be. Also, his strengths and weaknesses are too close to Dray's for a complimentary overlap.

Here's a very nice recent article on the Kings:

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/11/12/king ... eke-evans/

Aside from anything, though, I'd also say that all of Josh Smith, Kevin Love and Demarcus are not really available and we're just being jerked around by the wiretap.

[nate33]

McGee in a consolidation trade would be theoretically doable, but I'd hold off of Cousins. I've only seen one Kings game so far, but the Sactown defense elevated tenfold as soon as Dalembert came in and I've really got to question his athleticism and intensity as long term inhibitors in addition to the general bombastic capriciousness. Really ground bound and lethargic out there to where I don't think he'll ever be passable on that end of the court. He's obviously out of shape, but you have to wonder if conditioning's ever going to be a real point of strength.

Nice skill, hands, touch and court sense offensively, but not a complete player and I don't see why we'd expect that he ever will be. Also, his strengths and weaknesses are too close to Dray's for a complimentary overlap.

Here's a very nice recent article on the Kings:

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/11/12/king ... eke-evans/

Aside from anything, though, I'd also say that all of Josh Smith, Kevin Love and Demarcus are not really available and we're just being jerked around by the wiretap.

The takeaway from that article is that Jason Thompson and perhaps Donte Green are available. I'd take either of those guys. I don't know if I'd give up McGee, but I'd certainly give up Yi and/or Young.

[NewWolvesOrder]

McGee for Wesley Johnson and wolves have rights to swap picks with you
???

[nate33]

McGee for Wesley Johnson and wolves have rights to swap picks with you
???

It's a fair deal.

The Wizards aren't really in a position to make the trade now because they're too thin at center. Something like this might be considered this summer when the Wizards would have the opportunity to plug their hole at center via the draft or free agency.

Obviously, the pick swap arrangement would have to incorporate some protection - top 3 maybe.

[Silvie Lysandra]

oh damn we're gonna be laughing all the way to the bank with that

it can even be unprotected, or #1 protected considering how bad this draft is

[fishercob]

I don't think how this would impact us now -- I.e. being too thin up front for the time being -- is a good enough reason to not make such a deal. There are plenty of stopgap measures, including playing seraphin and hamady, that have their own benefits.

I have been extremely impressed with the little I've seen of Johnson. He strikes me as a in-prime Shawn Marion type athlete with a fantastic jumper and 3pt range. What better could we possibly hope for in a running mate for Wall? Add in the fact that he's two years further from an extension than McGee, and I'd pull the trigger on an even up trade (I'd need convincing on the pick swap -- or we'd need some deferral rights).

No doubt that I have pause about letting McGee go, but you've got to give up something to get something and I like Wes Johnson.

[no D in Hibachi]

I'd do the Wesley Johnson trade with a top 3 protection pick swap. It's still possible the Wiz finish with a better record than the T'Wolves so then at that point it'd be McGee for Johnson.

One way or another the Wiz need to trade McGee before this trade deadline if they want to strike while the irons hot. You know there are tons of GM's who see his highlight reel plays and think they need to get him because their coach will teach him something Flip can't. His rose will lose it's bloom by the end of the year.

[Hoopalotta]

The Wes Johnson trade would be doable, yes, though be wary of a pick swap with us possibly moving Arenas and being all time turrible. An unprotected pick swap is unacceptable as far as I'm concerned as that could be a player way better than Wes that we're losing.

While I can't really say there's a starter I'm excited about in his stead, in a hypothetical vacuum, I'd actually like to see McGee come in off the bench again. Not to cut back his minutes, but he can be so good in that high energy super sub role against overmatching backups. He doesn't need to think as much about the details and just brings more pop.

[shrink]

Regarding Cousins and Wes Johnson .. when was the last time a team traded a Top 5 pick in his first year, outside of draft night?

Teams market these guys, and for the months between draft day and the first day of the season, fans get sold on who they may be, not on who they will likely be. In their first year, they are almost always more valuable to the team that drafted them. Realisticly, trades involving Cousin and Wes Johnson are probably impossible.

[fishercob]

Regarding Cousins and Wes Johnson .. when was the last time a team traded a Top 5 pick in his first year, outside of draft night?

Teams market these guys, and for the months between draft day and the first day of the season, fans get sold on who they may be, not on who they will likely be. In their first year, they are almost always more valuable to the team that drafted them. Realisticly, trades involving Cousin and Wes Johnson are probably impossible.

Point taken, but with Kahn all things are possible!

Besides, you guys own us one, big time.

[CrankyTodd]

Regarding Cousins and Wes Johnson .. when was the last time a team traded a Top 5 pick in his first year, outside of draft night?

Teams market these guys, and for the months between draft day and the first day of the season, fans get sold on who they may be, not on who they will likely be. In their first year, they are almost always more valuable to the team that drafted them. Realisticly, trades involving Cousin and Wes Johnson are probably impossible.

I can't remember any in-season rookie year trades offhand, but Chris Webber was traded to Washington in the summer following his rookie season, a season in which he was named Rookie of the Year.

[Hoopalotta]

In fairness to us, we were honor bound to answer according the law of the internets when a Wolves fan came in and asked, but yeah, Shrink's right - nothing doing here with millions of dollars worth of Wes Johnson Bobblehead dolls sitting in a warehouse.

[Hoopalotta]

Really, the rumors have been pretty ridiculous of late. Atlanta signs Horford for five years @ $60 with a flat $12 million a year and suddenly Chad Ford is all with the "ya know, Josh Smith might be available...."

Lets see, what gets more hits for Chad Ford:

Hawks might have to trade ZaZa Pachulia
Hawks might dump their draft pick to move Bibby
Hawks are very enthusiastic to get rid of Marvelous Williams
Hawks might make Josh Smith available! OMG-OMG-LOLZ!

Of course the drastic move is the one that gets the attention, but that's also why it's the least likely to happen.

Nothing doing at this time with Josh, Love or Demarcus.

[Kanyewest]

Regarding Cousins and Wes Johnson .. when was the last time a team traded a Top 5 pick in his first year, outside of draft night?

Teams market these guys, and for the months between draft day and the first day of the season, fans get sold on who they may be, not on who they will likely be. In their first year, they are almost always more valuable to the team that drafted them. Realisticly, trades involving Cousin and Wes Johnson are probably impossible.

The only one I can think of is Drew Gooden, who was traded from Memphis to Orlando. Then again, this is the trade thread; 99.7% of the trades here are unrealistic.

[shrink]

In fairness to us, we were honor bound to answer according the law of the internets when a Wolves fan came in and asked, but yeah, Shrink's right - nothing doing here with millions of dollars worth of Wes Johnson Bobblehead dolls sitting in a warehouse.

LOL! Both points are right on. I'm just a wet blanket.

[#1 pick]

Really, the rumors have been pretty ridiculous of late. Atlanta signs Horford for five years @ $60 with a flat $12 million a year and suddenly Chad Ford is all with the "ya know, Josh Smith might be available...."

Lets see, what gets more hits for Chad Ford:

Hawks might have to trade ZaZa Pachulia
Hawks might dump their draft pick to move Bibby
Hawks are very enthusiastic to get rid of Marvelous Williams
Hawks might make Josh Smith available! OMG-OMG-LOLZ!

Of course the drastic move is the one that gets the attention, but that's also why it's the least likely to happen.

Nothing doing at this time with Josh, Love or Demarcus.

What Chad Ford is to Atlanta, Colin Cowherd is to Washington.

[montestewart]

Regarding Cousins and Wes Johnson .. when was the last time a team traded a Top 5 pick in his first year, outside of draft night?

Teams market these guys, and for the months between draft day and the first day of the season, fans get sold on who they may be, not on who they will likely be. In their first year, they are almost always more valuable to the team that drafted them. Realisticly, trades involving Cousin and Wes Johnson are probably impossible.

Twice a #1 pick has been traded following his first year in the league. Both times to the Bullets. Kwame's proof that a team can blow a #1 pick, and Wall's proof that a team can get another chance. Here in a Washington, some of us foolishly believe anything is possible. Even...a championship.

Some basketball reporters would rather chronicle intrigue than discuss Xs and Os. Oh well, it often makes for fun reading.

[LyricalRico]

I'd do the Wesley Johnson trade with a top 3 protection pick swap. It's still possible the Wiz finish with a better record than the T'Wolves so then at that point it'd be McGee for Johnson.

What about taking the protection off the pick and just doing this:

McGee and 2011 first

for

Kevin Love and Wesley Johnson

We solve our rebounding and swingman problems in one deal. As soon as Josh Howard is healthy, they can also have Thornton/Young if that's what it takes to get the deal done.

One way or another the Wiz need to trade McGee before this trade deadline if they want to strike while the irons hot. You know there are tons of GM's who see his highlight reel plays and think they need to get him because their coach will teach him something Flip can't. His rose will lose it's bloom by the end of the year.

Definitely agree with this. Unless the Wizards plan to sign him longterm to an MLE sized deal to be the first big off the bench (his best role in the NBA IMO), they should absolutely get the most value for him that they can.

But would Ted sign off on a trade of a young player? I understand that McGee-for-Johnson gets us another young player, but Ted's apparent "grow your own" attitude tells me that he might feel some level of commitment to the young guys he already has. Thoughts on that?