Is Kobe a Top 3 Laker?

Silverballer · Post #21 » by **Silverballer** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:56 am

no

shaq
kareem
magic
west
baylor
gasol
morrison

kobe

surely this is the answer the OP wants, right?

JordansBulls · Post #22 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:08 am

An Unbiased Fan wrote:I grew up watching Magic, but I would say Kobe took the #1 Laker spot after last year. 5 titles, and most of the Lakers records put him at that spot.

If that is the case, then why would you rank Magic ahead of Kobe on the all time list?

Alex_De_Large · Post #23 » by **Alex_De_Large** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:23 am

He may be top 5, but 3? LOL

nonemus · Post #24 » by **nonemus** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:34 am

Alex_De_Large wrote:He may be top 5, but 3? LOL

I don't see why it's so ridiculous.

Asianiac_24 · Post #25 » by **Asianiac_24** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:02 am

Kobe's resume as a Laker is really impressive, not sure why top 3 is LOL worthy.

That Nicka · Post #26 » by **That Nicka** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:12 am

Alex_De_Large wrote:He may be top 5, but 3? LOL

uhm well he's ahead of West, Shaq, Baylor, Chamberlain and Goodrich... so that leaves Kareem and Magic up for debate

dude has 26,000 points and 5 titles as a Laker among countless other records, awards and accolades.

Chris435 · Post #27 » by **Chris435** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:56 am

Alex_De_Large wrote:He may be top 5, but 3? LOL

Maybe your refering to peak play and in that case, i agree. I can only think of 3 players that were absolutely better than him though.

As a Laker great, he has his case for being in the top 3.

Wavy Q · Post #28 » by **Wavy Q** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:07 am

Alex_De_Large wrote:He may be top 5, but 3? LOL

dumb post

Magic is the only player i put definitively ahead of Kobe on the all time Laker list, Kobe/West/Kareem are interchangeable.

hasslinghoff · Post #29 » by **hasslinghoff** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:22 am

outside of magic it's really debatable and i wouldn't want to pick between kobe, shaq, kareem and west.

Post #30 » by **rrravenred** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:18 pm

Has a good argument for third. I have Kareem and Magic definitely ahead of him. After that, you have Baylor, West, Kobe and Shaq at a similar stage. (Mikan probably belongs somewhere around there, but due to playing in the Pliocene era of basketball, gets discounted, possibly unfairly).

I disqualify Shaq primarily due to length of tenure. Baylor and West had the misfortune of playing during the Celtics dynasty, but the Logo has literally iconic status for a reason wheras Baylor seems very much to have been on a lower tier.

There appears to be a cigarette paper between West and Kobe, with Kobe generally getting the nod due to the MVP (which West never really sniffed, and neither would Kobe against Wilt and Russ) and multiple titles (which I'd argue West didn't have the team to compete for until late in his career). So Kobe and West battling it out for third is probably where I'm at.

dub81 · Post #31 » by **dub81** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:44 pm

I got

Magic
West
Shaq
Kobe
Kareem

West was not only a great player but an even greater GM. Without West there will not be Shaq, Kobe and 3 straight rings.

Shaq dominated the game when he was here was nothing like I ever seen. Including MJ. He had the greatest prime I ever seen. He would be #2 in my book but I did not like the way he left the team.

Post #32 » by **semi-sentient** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:43 pm

1) Magic
2) Kareem
3) Kobe
4) West
5) Shaq

Kobe · Post #33 » by **Kobe** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:35 pm

Absolutely.

An Unbiased Fan · Post #34 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:49 pm

JordansBulls wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:I grew up watching Magic, but I would say Kobe took the #1 Laker spot after last year. 5 titles, and most of the Lakers records put him at that spot.

If that is the case, then why would you rank Magic ahead of Kobe on the all time list?

I view the all-time list & Top Laker list a little differently. West is ahead of Shaq on my Laker list too, even though Shaq is higher on my all-time list. There's an extra element added. Bird is the Top Celtic for many, even though they may have Russell higher on the all-time list, or vice-versa.

Here's how the Top Lakers rank in certain categories:

Championship Shares:
Kobe - 16.8
Magic - 16.2
Shaq - 12.2
Kareem - 10.1
West - 1.0
Baylor - 0.0

MVP Shares:
Magic - 5.129
Kobe - 3.409
Kareem - 2.997
Shaq - 2.618
West - 2.090
Baylor - 1.659

All-NBA 1st teams:
West - 10
Baylor - 10
Magic - 9
Kobe - 8
Kareem - 6
Shaq - 6

nonemus · Post #35 » by **nonemus** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:54 pm

There is no reason for Kobe to be ahead of Magic on the All-time Lakers list, and I think that most Lakers fans would agree with me.

Optms · Post #36 » by **Optms** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:01 pm

It goes Magic - Kareem - Kobe - West.

An Unbiased Fan · Post #37 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:05 pm

nonemus wrote:There is no reason for Kobe to be ahead of Magic on the All-time Lakers list, and I think that most Lakers fans would agree with me.

Actually, most laker fans say Kobe is #1 now. Even West, Shaq, & Magic say it's Kobe.

Wavy Q · Post #38 » by **Wavy Q** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:11 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:
nonemus wrote:There is no reason for Kobe to be ahead of Magic on the All-time Lakers list, and I think that most Lakers fans would agree with me.

Actually, most laker fans say Kobe is #1 now. Even West, Shaq, & Magic say it's Kobe.

no way in hell would most Laker fans that aren't 15 years old put Kobe about Magic.

Optms · Post #39 » by **Optms** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:22 pm

I actually find Kobe being listed at number 1 a lot less absurd than non-Laker fans having Shaq in the top 4.

An Unbiased Fan · Post #40 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:25 pm

Jay From LA wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:
nonemus wrote:There is no reason for Kobe to be ahead of Magic on the All-time Lakers list, and I think that most Lakers fans would agree with me.

Actually, most laker fans say Kobe is #1 now. Even West, Shaq, & Magic say it's Kobe.

no way in hell would most Laker fans that aren't 15 years old put Kobe about Magic.

*Garth voice* Yes way.

This topic came up big time last year, and on TV, the radio, message boards, and just in general, most picked Kobe.