Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[Benjammin]

^^^^
That deal is horrible for the Wolves. You'll hear the Wolves scream KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHN like they've never before.

[Silvie Lysandra]

**** it I'd trade McGee + any 2011 pick above #2 for Johnson and feel like we robbed them

now you want them to send us kevin (30/30) love?

loooooool

I'll throw in Blatche just to make it semi-fair.

[Terpman]

McGee, Blatche & future protected 1st
for
Johnson & Love

Done.

[penbeast0]

Love might have been available for Blatche and change or McGee and a protected 1st before the 30/30 game but that pushed his value up to the point where it's probably no longer doable for the Wiz. And no way I'd trade an unprotected 1st, at least top 3 protect it for one year.

[dangermouse]

Yeah after Love's huge game I think he'll be getting more minutes and is effectively 'off the market'.

[obye]

If You Wanna Rebuild ! Give away Arenas before the tradeline , keep Kirk all trough Wall's Rookie Year and give him away ! (For Wall's Development!) Than pack him up for a vet PG and a good role player!
Gil (WAS) for G.Wallace(CHA) + Diop (CHA)
or
Gil (WAS) for R.Hamilton (DET) + Maxiel (DET)
Charlotte is the only team without a good PG ! Them and the Pistons !

[dangermouse]

Those deals ! Are Horrible! That is not ! How you rebuild!

although i might do that Charlotte one, but i cant see Charlotte agreeing to that.

hamilton AND maxiel? that is one swamp donkey of a trade.

[Ruzious]

One thing's pretty much for sure now - we no longer have any shot of getting either Love or Josh Smith - 2 PFs who could have dramatically improved the team's outlook.

[obye]

Those deals ! Are Horrible! That is not ! How you rebuild!

although i might do that Charlotte one, but i cant see Charlotte agreeing to that.

hamilton AND maxiel? that is one swamp donkey of a trade.

Gil still has 4 years of Contract ! Hard to swap ! Hamilton is a true SG/SF and can complete passes by wall ! Think Gil, Wall and Kirk play the same position!

Charlotte is missing a true PG , i think is doable ! While they have S.Jackson SG/SF !

One thing's pretty much for sure now - we no longer have any shot of getting either Love or Josh Smith - 2 PFs who could have dramatically improved the team's outlook.

Why get a PF while you have A.Blatche ? Josh Smith is liked in ALT and Love is an untradeable asset for Minny !

[Illuminaire]

You're right that Gil is hard to swap, Obye, but Rip Hamilton is not the kind of contract the Wizards would swap him for.

First of all, we're building with youth. Teddy isn't going to invest big money in veterans until he thinks we're ready to make the leap into true contention. Second, Rip is getting old fast at a position where starters don't usually last into their mid-30s; his minutes, scoring, and FG% are down quite a bit this year from his past production. Third, he's not the ideal player to slot beside Wall, as he's not very good at spreading the floor (average 3pt shooter) and not an athletic finisher on the fast break.

If you could trade Rip from five years ago, that might be worth it, but since we're stuck with the 2010 version, it's just not a good fit.

Lastly, and possibly most importantly... Rip's salary runs through 2012. If we did trade Gil for a treadworn veteran, it would be one who expires this year or next. 2012 is the next big free agency year, and we'll have had another couple of draft picks and be ready to spend. We won't want that kind of contract weighing down the books when we're finally ready to spend money.

[obye]

Lastly, and possibly most importantly... Rip's salary runs through 2012. If we did trade Gil for a treadworn veteran, it would be one who expires this year or next. 2012 is the next big free agency year, and we'll have had another couple of draft picks and be ready to spend. We won't want that kind of contract weighing down the books when we're finally ready to spend money.

You have a point ! But i think this winter , Gil must be gone ! While he still shines ! We can bring in some talent over him ! Kirk also !

[Illuminaire]

I agree that we can bring in talent with Gil, but I disagree that he "must be gone." He's not holding anyone back, he's playing fine with Wall, and our team doesn't NEED to be competitive in January. We're not contenders yet, so we can be patient. =p

Right now Gil's trade value is at an all-time low. The only way we're getting anything remotely positive for him is if he plays extremely well up to the trade deadline with no injury issues, and someone gets desperate. It's much more likely that we'd get good trade offers next year, if he can slowly build on his current production and remain reasonably healthy - at that point a veteran contender would probably be willing to trade expiring contracts and some meh picks for him.

I don't know if this team is forever tainted for Gil, and vice versa, and it's quite possible you're right that he will *need* to be traded for the good of all parties. I only strongly disagree that now is the time for that. The return just isn't worth it when we can afford to sit on him a while longer and see what we really have.

[TGW]

A deal I proposed on the trade board: Arenas, Yi, and Armstrong to Orlando for Lewis and Gortat.

Not a great return for Arenas, but at least we'd get two decent players in return who play some need positions. Maybe Wall can rejuvenate Lewis' shooting percentages. We'd also get much bigger in the frontcourt, and tougher with the addition of Gortat.

Wall/Hinrich [Hudson]
Young/Martin
Lewis/Thornton [Howard]
Blatche/Booker
Gortat/McGee [Seraphin]

[nate33]

The logic in moving Arenas is to generate future cap flexibility, not to address specific needs on the floor; because frankly, Arenas is a pretty good fit on this roster. Arenas is very much needed because he's one of our few reliable jumpshooters.

On the cap front, Lewis actually costs $2M more per year than Arenas. His contract is just one year shorter. The net savings in swapping Arenas for Lewis is just $14M, and all of that is realized in 2013/14. Unfortunately, you've also saddled us with Gortat's contract which also extends through 2013/14 and he costs $8M that year. In summary, the trade costs us an extra $9M next year, $9M the year after, and only saves us $6M the year after that. You've made our cap situation much worse, and I think you've downgraded our talent because Arenas is better than Lewis.

The only upside is that you've added Gortat, who I think can help us. But I think we could acquire Gortat (or a player like him) much more easily if we really wanted to. And at this stage in our development, I don't think taking on Gortat is worth the damage to our long term cap flexibility.

[toughjuice03]

The Kings are looking to move Jason Thompson that would be someone Id like to pick up but it seems they want a young PG which we don't have to trade.

[nate33]

The Kings are looking to move Jason Thompson that would be someone Id like to pick up but it seems they want a young PG which we don't have to trade.

I mentioned Thompson in another thread. The problem is that Sacramento is a bad trading partner with us. They're in the same position as us as a young team with a good cap situation trying to make the next leap. The kind of players and contracts they want are the kind of players and contracts we don't want to give up, and vice versa.

The only conceivable trade I can think of would be something involving Yi going to a 3rd team, a young PG going to Sacramento, and Jason Thompson coming here. Unfortunately, that third team would probably rather cut us out and trade their young PG straight up for Thompson.

[Ruzious]

Why get a PF while you have A.Blatche ? Josh Smith is liked in ALT and Love is an untradeable asset for Minny !

Because we need a great big; not a good big - to become a contender. Smith and Love are a lot closer to great than Blatche is and much more likely to achieve greatness. And the point was - Smith and Love were rumored to be available very recently - and now, they're likely unattainable for the Wiz. Otoh, there could be and likely will be other opportunities. Hopefully, they strike when the iron's hot - rather than do the usual sitting on thumbs.

[Bigswinrings]

The Kings are looking to move Jason Thompson that would be someone Id like to pick up but it seems they want a young PG which we don't have to trade.

I mentioned Thompson in another thread. The problem is that Sacramento is a bad trading partner with us. They're in the same position as us as a young team with a good cap situation trying to make the next leap. The kind of players and contracts they want are the kind of players and contracts we don't want to give up, and vice versa.

The only conceivable trade I can think of would be something involving Yi going to a 3rd team, a young PG going to Sacramento, and Jason Thompson coming here. Unfortunately, that third team would probably rather cut us out and trade their young PG straight up for Thompson.

Why not try and move young or , hell even mcgee if that's what it takes. Thompson is a young solid center, just the thing we need to grow next to wall. Mcgee has tremendous potential, but we need someone more consistent.

Jeff Teague isn't really that great to warrant a trade for Thompson. It makes sense that the Kings are trying to get rid of him though since they are kinda crowded in the front court now. But that's peanuts in my opinion. Mcgee for any number of these point guards in a three way deal basically equates to Teague's production and in terms of "up-side" (again in my opinion)

Jeremy Lin, Jrue Holiday, Shaun Livingston, Avery Bradley, maybe Eric Maynor or D.J. Augustin if we throw in a pick. I'm sure there are other pgs out there as well. We should not pass up on Thompson. This is a big opportunity and we should do whatever it takes to jump on the situation and find a way to work it out. That is Ernie's job after all.

But I don't know, it always seems easier from the perspective of a viewer so who knows whether or not anything will come of this.

[Hoopalotta]

Thompson's been beaten out by Darnell Jackson and projects as a rotation big at best. You'll notice all of Sac-Town's offseason and deadline moves were designed at rectifying the front court. He's not known for consistency or mistake free basketball and does not have any one particular exemplary ability other than maybe jump shooting, high post passing and foot speed for a guy his size (those are probably not "exemplary" anyway). He's pretty mechanical as a scorer inside, rebounds to an average level and probably plays defense to about average as well (not sure about his rotations). He's kind of like a poor man's Lamarcus Aldridge.

I think he can turn into a good third big, but I'd much rather have McGee.

[BanndNDC]

Love might have been available for Blatche and change or McGee and a protected 1st before the 30/30 game but that pushed his value up to the point where it's probably no longer doable for the Wiz. And no way I'd trade an unprotected 1st, at least top 3 protect it for one year.

yeah it's a real shame. Love would be ideal for this team and id definitely have done Blatche + for him which just might have been doable. i like what blatche brings but we really need either our PF or C to be a rebounder.