Is JT the odd man out?

[SacKingZZZ]

Hey, big fan of Teague in college and he provides a lot of what we need in a PG next to Tyreke, defense, shooting (%'s are terrible in the NBA though), and athleticism, with that said, I don't believe the Hawes declined that offer. They could use big man depth more than anything right now and they don't need any more ball handlers.

[ICMTM]

Marc Stein has it wrong. It was the other way around. Hawks offered Teague to the Kings for Thompson. Well basically it was a third GM trying to make something happen. Therefore it would have been something like JT Head (maybe bucks 2nd) for Teague (Future 1st) third team gets whatever.

I'm still standing by my bet that its Landry thats being moved before or at the deadline

Yeah link please!

[ICMTM]

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entr ... 4/25864600
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post ... nba-285602

Interesting reads on the situation. The CBS article is kind of shocked that it wasn't Teague for Thompson, and the Yahoo article:

ESPN has it that the Kings have put New Jersey native Thompson, who was drafted in the first round in 2008, up on the trading block.

The site has it that the Kings offered Thompson to the Atlanta Hawks in hopes of landing point guard Jeff Teague(notes), who was drafted in the first round of the 2009 draft. He's averaging 4.4 points, 1.1 rebounds, and 2.5 assists per game.

The Hawks said no, thanks.

Even the wording on that is funny, like "this is what they said, but we don't believe it."

I just want to make something of an observation here. Yahoo! has been covering basketball better than ESPN. Kenny Smith, Marc Spears, and Adrian Wojnarowski have been more accurate in their reporting than both Stein and Ford. Chad Ford is in LA LA land

Also ESPN sells "Insider," which is a sports tabloid subscription. Yahoo! doesn't sell anything. With that being said, and Petrie clearly stating he hasn't offered up Thompson, AND the fact that it does not make sense to trade Jason Thompson because you're not paying him jack.... I'm not buying he's going anywhere but to the bench.

[SacKingZZZ]

No, it makes perfect sense to trade Jason Thompson because a)his value is plummeting as we speak, and b) it lessens the severity of the crunch in the frontcourt.

Maybe even for an expiring would nice too, free up more space, re-sign Landry or let him walk and that's at least more money to play with.

[ICMTM]

No, it makes perfect sense to trade Jason Thompson because a)his value is plummeting as we speak, and b) it lessens the severity of the crunch in the frontcourt.

Maybe even for an expiring would nice too, free up more space, re-sign Landry or let him walk and that's at least more money to play with.

With that $2.2m you can get a superstar player

Again at his salary number and his performance as is, he's underpaid by league standards. Refute that. Show me the list of players that have double double potential, and make $2.2m a year? When you're done compiling your short list let us know what you find. If I'm reading this table right the league minimum for a player in their 3rd year is $854,389:

http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtml

His "value" is dirt cheap! He can be a total scrub and he's not grossly overpaid. Moving Thompson for an expiring is almost a moot point.

[longfellow44]

Thompson makes mistakes but Kings fans need to quit being so down on the guy. He's very talented and we are often using him completely wrong. We are asking him to play SF and C regularly when the guy is clearly a PF his strengths are passing and playing from the elbow and getting offensive boards but we keep asking him to either play down low in the post which creates more foul problems or we ask him to break his man down from the perimeter which causes him to make too many mistakes with the ball in his hand. If we simply played the guy in the Pick and Roll or let him play from the elbow he would be much better and make less mistakes and get in less foul trouble.

[SacKingZZZ]

With that $2.2m you can get a superstar player

Again at his salary number and his performance as is, he's underpaid by league standards. Refute that. Show me the list of players that have double double potential, and make $2.2m a year? When you're done compiling your short list let us know what you find. If I'm reading this table right the league minimum for a player in their 3rd year is $854,389:

http://www.insidehoops.com/minimum-nba-salary.shtml

His "value" is dirt cheap! He can be a total scrub and he's not grossly overpaid. Moving Thompson for an expiring is almost a moot point.

JT's on the bottom of the pile right or wrong, refute that. I'm not the one doing it nor am I advocating it, but I was one of the first to acknowledge it. More and more are jumping on board but yet, some are still in denial. Are we going to lose talent wise? Hell yeah, and if the reports of that Atlanta deal are true, we may lose BIG TIME, but the reality is what it is.

Do you think JT is going to be some kind of savior? Do you think he's a big part of this teams success moving forward? I'm not baiting either, I'm asking that seriously. He's a very talented player but if this current situation persists the likely hood of him ever reaching the point where he is both a major contributor for us and is given the opportunity and time to reach his full potential aren't great. It's not an opinion and it's not even up for debate, it's the TRUTH. It's whats actually happening now and signs are pointing to the opposite of him being able to do that here. So, my point is, why keep him? You want somebody to fill that Sean May role? JT's too good for that, and it would be a shame to watch his value shrink to the level it may already be at. We're talking about a guy that was once considered a potential chip in a trade for Amare and now he can't even fetch Jeff Teague!?(Although I don't believe that myself).

BTW, shamsports has him slated to make 3 million next year. That's not all that much in relation to his potential production for sure, but an extra 3 million could mean 2 max type guys as opposed to 1. You never know.

[SacKingZZZ]

Thompson makes mistakes but Kings fans need to quit being so down on the guy. He's very talented and we are often using him completely wrong. We are asking him to play SF and C regularly when the guy is clearly a PF his strengths are passing and playing from the elbow and getting offensive boards but we keep asking him to either play down low in the post which creates more foul problems or we ask him to break his man down from the perimeter which causes him to make too many mistakes with the ball in his hand. If we simply played the guy in the Pick and Roll or let him play from the elbow he would be much better and make less mistakes and get in less foul trouble.

The question still remains, who gets crunched in his place? We're already playing Whiteside zero minutes, which I'm starting to get a little pissed about. Too many bodies before the season, too many bodies now. And that was even before we knew Jackson wasn't just training camp fodder.

[perezident]

Thanks for the links ICMTM. But, yeah I didnt read anything so I couldn't produce a link. I'm not saying I have sources or anything but from time to time I'm privy to some lucrative information about our Kings (As I offered for the draft and some trades from time to time). As I've said Marc Stein had it all wrong and ICMTM's observations are almost on the button!!

There was a third GM trying to make something happened and called the Hawks asking them if they'd be interested in JT -- as if they had something in the pipeline. Hawks said sure they would. So the Hawks and the third GM were throwing out different scenarios with Teague and another player or some picks. And the Hawks said no. All Marc Stein source heard was JT for Teague and the Hawks said no. And he printed that......

I'm curious as to who is the third GM. And by all accounts, I'm hearing it's really Landry who'll be traded. There's like a 67% chance of it happening. I'll say this much: I'd be shocked if Landry and Head are still here in a matter of weeks or at the trade deadline.

[ICMTM]

One constant about Petrie is that it's the guy you least expect that gets traded. With that knowledge Beno and Cisco are gone

Even still I don't see the trade landscape much different with CL than I do with JT. Landry in a S&T could potentially bring us back a lot of value. Otherwise we're trading for a young "piece." Landry is again an underpaid guy. The thing that makes Landry's situation more pressing is that his contract situation will need to be dealt with this off season.

I just want to make something clear and I think most people get this. We're talking about role players here. I don't think we're going to trade any of these guys for "the guy." Maybe all of them for "a guy?" I just want to put into perspective what we're discussing. League wide all the players above will have long NBA careers. What their roles will be is yet to be seen, but we aren't talking about super star potential.

Around the league Jason Thompson has interest. If we're not going to play him he will get a shot somewhere else. Again we're on about a calendar year of Jason being traded somewhere:

http://dimemag.com/2010/02/nba-trade-ru ... e-bobcats/
We know the Bobcats are interested.

We know the Suns are interested.
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2010/ ... ould-we-do

The Heat, and Raptors are interested:

Jason Thompson Being Shopped by the Kings?

The Sacramento Kings are reportedly shopping forward/center Jason Thompson. Carl Landry and Darnell Jackson are taking up the minutes at power forward and there is no room for Thompson at center. The athletic specimen has lately been playing small forward. The starting-caliber player is only averaging about 15 minutes per game. It’s quite disappointing, so the Kings look to trade him, according to Marc Stein.

Teams like the Suns, Heat and Raptors all appear to be interested. All are also interested in free-agent center Erick Dampier.

Stein reports more on Thompson:

“It wasn’t long ago that Thompson, selected with the No. 12 overall pick in the 2008 draft, and Spencer Hawes were being touted as the Kings’ frontcourt tandem of the future. Now? Thompson is averaging just 15.4 minutes per game off the bench and has been shopped by the Kings.”

John Hollinger thinks that the Kings could still keep Thompson, but they shouldn’t put him at small forward:

“Recently, the Kings’ brass was in the team’s offices flipping through a folder labeled ‘Reggie Theus’ Worst Ideas.’ After a few beers they decided, what the heck, let’s implement a few of them. That’s my best explanation for how the 6-foot-11 Thompson is once again playing the 3 — spotting up on offense, chasing around wings on defense and generally looking as out-of-water as a fish can possibly look. He’s been a productive player at both power forward and center but was brutally awful at the 3 when Theus tried the same thing two years ago. And why has all this happened? So they can find minutes for Darnell Jackson? Seriously? Instead of 10 minutes a night as a miscast 3, the Kings need Thompson to be one of the linchpins of what should be a strong frontcourt rotation of Thompson, Carl Landry, DeMarcus Cousins and Samuel Dalembert. That’s especially true since Dalembert is in his walk year and may not last the season with the Kings, likely necessitating an end to this sixth-grade science fair experiment by the trade deadline.”

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/5163 ... er-to-heat

When you're in the dog house as JT is and don't play teams are noticing. It really seams to me that his lack of PT has been what's caused the trade rumors, and Marc Stein ran with it. EVERY story on JT being potentially traded links Marc Stein, and only Marc Stein. Then again why is Marc Stein talking about Jason Thompson regardless???? There is a lot of buzz for a guy that is the last guy in our rotation. Is it the outsiders that have it wrong, or the Kings? I think it's fairly easy to see the Kings aren't using their personnel right.

I just think it's kind of telling that the mothership (what Dan Patrick calls ESPN) is running a trade rumor about Jason Thompson. That in itself shows you he has value in the league.

[dozencousins]

Well I was thinking a bit & 2 scenerios i like a bit is if we deal Jason to the THUNDER with CISCO for J.GREEN & MAYNOR

another i like a bit is dealing Jason to the clippers for W.Warren & a filler or a future pick
I really liked Warren & wanted to see him as a KING but was elated to see us get Whiteside of course .

[perezident]

With the strong play of Ibaka as of late..I wonder if the Thunder are willing to do either Landry/JT for Green

[ICMTM]

Yeah it seems that Jason has been the guy to draw the most trade interest, but I'm not really seeing OKC make a change to their team unless it's a CLEAR upgrade. I don't see them making this move unless they are planning to keep Green and put Thompson at a 5? This would make the trade Maynor/Thompson?

I don't see how that changes the complexion of the Kings???

[Nicky Nix Nook]

What about something based around Chalmers? Heat need to add incentive I think, but I think he'd fit really well here.

[dozencousins]

Yeah it seems that Jason has been the guy to draw the most trade interest, but I'm not really seeing OKC make a change to their team unless it's a CLEAR upgrade. I don't see them making this move unless they are planning to keep Green and put Thompson at a 5? This would make the trade Maynor/Thompson?

I don't see how that changes the complexion of the Kings???

I can easily see the KINGS going after Maynor but Maynor straight up for Jason is not enough we need to add a 2 for 2 or they will need to add a future pick. IMO

What about something based around Chalmers? Heat need to add incentive I think, but I think he'd fit really well here.

This is easily another player I forgot to mention earlier I can see the KINGS making a play for I agree NOX Chalmers would be a great addition IMO

[ICMTM]

So Maynor + 1st for Jason Thompson? See that doesn't make much sense to me. That 1st at best is in the late teens/early 20's. Unless a Rondo type went unnoticed I don't think I even like that deal. Thompson has more value than that just being on the team.

He (lack of) salary really handcuffs moving him.

[dozencousins]

So Maynor + 1st for Jason Thompson? See that doesn't make much sense to me. That 1st at best is in the late teens/early 20's. Unless a Rondo type went unnoticed I don't think I even like that deal. Thompson has more value than that just being on the team.

He (lack of) salary really handcuffs moving him.

Well I am not saying I love that offer either I was just making a point that we would need more than Maynor straight up .
I like the deal of Green & Maynor for Garcia & Thompson a bit I do not trust Garcia's remaining 4 years & consistant heath issues now the past 2 years & almost injured already this year . I would rather rid ourselves the remaining $20 plus million of his contract off the books .

[nolimit0820]

Ideally, I'd like Xavier Henry. Memphis is thin up front and could really use JT's versatility. We'd get a big 2 guard that can shoot the rock....

[SacKingZZZ]

Henry would be awesome but Memphis isn't "thin" up top. They are actually pretty deep. Depends on how they feel about Thabeet and Arthur.

[tisbee]

The third GM on the grassy knoll makes no sense whatsoever.
Using TPE Atlanta and Sac could swap Teague for JT w/no third party involvement needed.
And if Sac has a trade lined up otherwise,there's no need to trade JT unless the Kings were getting ANOTHER big man,which begs question of why team trading away a big wouldn't want one back. And it isn't for a salary dump as they're talking about taking another player back.