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Re: Melo's Comments Speaks Volumes 

Post#81 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:08 pm

Punk wrote: :lol:

You do realize Amare is not the only Knick on the roster right? There is Wilson Chandler, Gallo (can play at a high level at a lesser role), Felton (say what u want but he still is a good PG), Douglas, Turiaf.

You do realize if he wanted the Bulls he would probably end up having to get traded there right?


If he wanted Chicago he would have to get traded there - there is no other way for him to end up as a Bull.

Which means Deng, Noah and their bench end up Denver.


Noah isn't going anywhere - and if Noah is the price for Melo than Chicago isn't buying.

Atleast if he comes here, he has Amare, Felton, Chandler, Gallo. Then we put the right pieces around him.


If Chicago gets him - and it is an infinitesimal chance - Rose, Boozer, and Noah would still be on the team. But like I said - its like a zero percent chance of Melo ending up in Chicago.

Personaly I think he either S&T's to NY in the offseason or gets traded to NO by the trade deadline.
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Re: Melo's Comments Speaks Volumes 

Post#82 » by GONYK » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:08 pm

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dancing dervish wrote:Yeah thinking he likes Chicago because they have a great foundation in Rose,Boozer and Noah is stupid. Why play with Rose,Boozer and Noah when you can play with just Stoudemire---if you are Melo you have to be completely stupid to think that way.

Why play with a top 5 PG, a top 10 PF and a top 10 Center when you can play with Stoudemire.

This is the same type of stuff I've read on knick forums prior to the Lberon free agency. He is given hidden signs, he wants NY but just wants it to be dramatic----blablabla---maybe hmm no. Maybe he just wants a team he is sure he can beat the Heat with?And maybe he'd think "Hey playing with Rose,Boozer,Noah and a defensive genius in Thibodeau is better than getting my ass handed to me every year in the second round of the playoffs with a coach that couldn't spell the word defense if his life depended on it."

Yes...let's ignore that he has never shown an interest in Chicago, Chicago has never shown an interest in him, Chicago fans have said Melo isn't coming, Chicago press has said Melo isn't being pursued.

Let's also ignore that this is not a basketball move. Let's ignore that he has ties to the area and that his wife wants to be here. Let's also ignore that this whole thing started when we got Amare. Let's also ignore that we clearly have back channel communication with Melo.

Let's all also ignore the fact Chicago has no place in his life. Let's also ignore that Thibodeau is still a rookie head coach with no playoffs under his belt yet and even though Dantoni is a (Please Use More Appropriate Word)....He still had a 50 win team.

If Melo cared about defense so much then his Nuggets would not have fallen out of the playoffs to the Jazz and Phoenix would not have nearly made it to the Finals.

Just because he makes a defensive comment doesn't mean a damn thing. You can still play uptempo and have a defensive mindset.

Most importantly, lets ignore that Chicago was a rumor spread by Wojo in the same breath that he called Houston a Melo favorite. People quickly dismissed Houston but choose to cling to Chicago. Why?
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Re: Melo's Comments Speaks Volumes 

Post#83 » by -Illmatic- » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:08 pm

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dancing dervish wrote:Yeah thinking he likes Chicago because they have a great foundation in Rose,Boozer and Noah is stupid. Why play with Rose,Boozer and Noah when you can play with just Stoudemire---if you are Melo you have to be completely stupid to think that way.


If this is true, that means it is not about winning. Chicago, with all due respect, won zilch.


No, it just means that it's not 100% winning. Obviously he doesn't want to cut his salary in half to play with the Lakers, that **** up his lifetime earnings potential way to much to be realistic. This next contract is where Melo is going to make most of his money, and he knows that. Melo's interest right now is probably a mix between money and winning. Chicago offers great team talent and a max contract. I still think he ends up in New Orleans though.
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Re: Melo's Comments Speaks Volumes 

Post#84 » by God Squad » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:09 pm

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Da_Mane_Man wrote:i'm thinking melo is goign to have a sit down with mike and donnie when he becomes a FA. this is when he'll talk basketball with mike and decide if he likes his style.

if he doesn't ... but he still REALLY wants to play in NY and for the knicks and with amare ... then i think he has an additional sit down with donnie to discuss the possibility of another coach.

ALL THAT BEING SAID, what happens this season will also be of HIGH importance.



No way that happens. Christ, some Knick fans just want to keep ignoring reality. Melo will have an eye on all his possible future options--in case you haven't noticed , the Nuggets don't seem to be too high on the Knicks assets. That means there is the possibility of this going to free agency (Knicks only shot) but if the Knicks aren't a gritty,hardnosed defending team by then watch Melo do exactly what Lebron did. By then the Nuggets have ZERO leverage and they'll accept whatever deal they can get. Then watch Melo go to a rival team and the same desperate Knick fans say "Screw Melo, I wanted Paul anyways".SMH--there you have a superstar player directly saying that he doesn't dig the system and that he never wants to be associated with a system that doesn't put defense first and he also adds like he is just like Lebron in wanting to go to the best possible team and you have here fans sitting and fantasizing about him sitting down with Donnie and Mike talking strategy. It's actually so silly I can't help but laugh.


+1. That basically sums it up. Dose anyone recall what happend during the summer free angecy?
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Re: Melo's Comments Speaks Volumes 

Post#85 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:09 pm

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dancing dervish wrote:Yeah thinking he likes Chicago because they have a great foundation in Rose,Boozer and Noah is stupid. Why play with Rose,Boozer and Noah when you can play with just Stoudemire---if you are Melo you have to be completely stupid to think that way.

Why play with a top 5 PG, a top 10 PF and a top 10 Center when you can play with Stoudemire.

This is the same type of stuff I've read on knick forums prior to the Lberon free agency. He is given hidden signs, he wants NY but just wants it to be dramatic----blablabla---maybe hmm no. Maybe he just wants a team he is sure he can beat the Heat with?And maybe he'd think "Hey playing with Rose,Boozer,Noah and a defensive genius in Thibodeau is better than getting my ass handed to me every year in the second round of the playoffs with a coach that couldn't spell the word defense if his life depended on it."



I'm not saying that the Bulls do not have a chance. I think they do. But this was not an attempt to say he won't play for D'Antoni or that he doesn't like D'Antoni's system, or to put the Knicks on notice, etc. All of that is false.

I think he would say yes to the Bulls and they are in the hunt. But he did call them the third best basketball city. Hmmmmmm.


One point to correct - he said Chicago was 'top 3'. It could have meant third - but thats not what he said.
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Re: Melo's Comments Speaks Volumes 

Post#86 » by RHODEY » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:10 pm

We know Melo is coming , question is ...IS Billups also coming ...?

Are the Knicks targeting the wrong Nugget?

By Alan Hahn

DENVER -- Carmelo Anthony knows he'll face the firing squad Tuesday here when he is greeted by an anxious New York press, but even with his magnificent personal start to the season (his most recent performance was a 20-point, 22-rebound effort in a loss to the Suns on Monday in Phoenix) and the obvious mutual admiration between Melo and the New York, he might not be the guy the Knicks should be targeting right now.

The position the Knicks need to address immediately is at point guard and the Nuggets may be able to be of assistance. Like Carmelo, Chauncey Billups is also looking for a contract extension, but unlike Carmelo, Billups hasn't received one yet.

The situation with Billups "is tenuous" said one person with knowledge of the situation, because his future is directly tied to whatever happens with Anthony. If the Nuggets lose their superstar, there's no need to pay a 34-year-old point guard $14.2 million next season, the last year of his contract.

Denver has an option on Billups for 2011-12 that works like this: when their season ends, they have five days to waive him for a minimal guaranteed payout of $3.7 million. After that five-day period, the full $14.2M is guaranteed.

According to a person with knowledge of the situation here in Denver, at least four teams have inquired about Billups, whose numbers are down so far this season (he's shooting just 35 percent from the field), and several front office executives believe with Ty Lawson (another talented guard the Knicks passed on to take Jordan Hill) pushing for more playing time and a major piece of the inevitable rebuild that will come when Carmelo leaves the Mile High City, the Nuggets might be more open to trading the popular Billups than you would think.

"The chances that Chauncey is traded could be better than Melo," one NBA executive said.

Billups is exactly what the Knicks need: a true floor general, a tough player who has a championship pedigree and, most of all, a bona fide leader. They need a point guard who can shoot the ball and score and yet also distribute, especially to their greatest weapon, Amar'e Stoudemire.

Now, to briefly debunk my own theory, if I may: Billups is more effective as a finisher in the pick-and-roll than he is a passer, and really the Knicks need someone who is more of a passer off the pick-and-roll, such as Steve Nash, Deron Williams, Jameer Nelson or Jarrett Jack (no really, he's better than people give him credit). Billups is only slightly better than the Knicks' current point guard, Raymond Felton, when it comes to completing the pick-and-roll. And he's also 34 years old.

But Billups, at least, has much more presence on the court as a leader and a scorer and the Knicks desperately need leaders, especially late in games, as evidenced already this season. Plus, we're not talking about giving him a five-year extension. Just pick up the $14.2M option year.

And acquiring Billups would also sweeten the bait for his close friend, Carmelo, as a free agent next summer. Right now, the Knicks aren't doing much to make Carmelo think a move to the Big Apple will spell a championship. Melo learned from the experience of playing with point guards such as Andre Miller, Allen Iverson and Billups that you can't be a legit championship contender without a big-time point guard who can run a team. Billups was able to help Carmelo not only finally win a playoff series, but push the Lakers to a sixth game in the Western Conference Finals in 2009.

And with Billups' contract expiring after 2011-12, it would still leave room in 2012 to target Williams or Chris Paul, so Melo and Amar'e still can get that critical element and the third star to contend with the Heat, the Celtics and Magic.

The Nuggets obviously don't want to do anything that might work against them in their desperate efforts to convince Carmelo to stay, but then again, if they come to the realization that he isn't going to stay, you can expect this franchise will look to save as much immediate cash as possible. With this in mind, it's unlikely a trade would happen any time soon.

The Knicks can offer money-saving pieces such as Eddy Curry's expiring and, say, Wilson Chandler (pending restricted free agent) plus something not many teams are willing to give: $3 million in cash. Denver can then move forward with Lawson and not have to worry about laying out even $3.7M for Billups to walk away.

Billups' agent, Andy Miller, doesn't believe his client, a Denver native who made headlines with his triumphant homecoming in 2008-09, is on the trading block, but the fact that contract extension talks have gone nowhere has to be a concern. "The onus lies square and center with the Denver Nuggets and their management team," Miller said.

Nash, of course, would be the obvious top choice for the Knicks to immediately fix their issue at point guard (and of course once there was media speculation about Nash's future in Phoenix, the Knicks would have their ear to the rail). Some rival team executives believe Suns owner Robert Sarver is impetuous enough to blow up the roster, cut costs and go young, especially if this team looks lottery-bound and a much cheaper, younger option in Goran Dragic seems almost ready to step into the starting role. Sarver and his group of owners don't have a lot of available cash out of this investment and, eventually, something has to give.

Right now Nash has Phoenix at 6-4 after a pair of impressive wins over the Lakers and Nuggets and selling high might be the best move for Sarver to get the most out of a deal, especially with a desperate team like the Knicks. If the Suns ask for a first round pick, Donnie Walsh would have to call up the Pacers and see if Larry Bird still wants to give him a first for Anthony Randolph, which had been discussed in August. Right now, if you can move Randolph for a first, you do it. Quickly.

A person close to Nash said though he probably wouldn't resist a trade, especially to be reunited with Mike D'Antoni, it is doubtful he would ever be the one to initiate, even privately, a trade request. "He wouldn't leave Grant [Hill] behind," the person said, which is to mean Nash wouldn't desert Hill to play out his last contract with a rebuilding team. Coincidentally, Hill had the chance to come to the Knicks in the summer of 2009 as a free agent, but he chose to stay in Phoenix with Nash. Another thing to consider in the Nash trade speculation is he and his wife are in the midst of a divorce just days after they celebrated their third child.

Any kind of trade talk involving the Knicks and a potential change at point guard is moot until Dec. 15, when Felton, like all 2010 summer free agents, is eligible to be traded (Hey, if the Heat keep losing, would they consider trading LeBron? Just askin'.).

For Felton, I have two places in mind: Charlotte, where they miss him, or Minnesota, where they could use an upgrade at the point on a young and fairly talented team.

In fact, the T-Wolves have almost $12M in cap space, so perhaps if all else fails, the Knicks could consider swapping Felton (and, of course, cash) for Luke Ridnour, the player the Knicks had also considered as a free agent before they came to terms with Felton.

OK, so it's not exactly prying Ricky Rubio out of David Kahn's clutches, but Ridnour, a very steady, smart point guard who Amar'e Stoudemire once called "Steve Nash Lite," would at least get the offense going the way it needs to go, though you do give up a lot defensively.

Eventually we'll get to a point where we exclusively talk about players on the current roster. But right now it's fair to be down with OPPG (Other People's Point Guards), at least until Felton starts consistently proving he can find Stoudemire in optimum locations where his explosive athleticism can be utilized to its maximum potential.
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Re: Melo's Comments Speaks Volumes 

Post#87 » by GONYK » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:10 pm

dancing dervish wrote:
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dancing dervish wrote:Yeah thinking he likes Chicago because they have a great foundation in Rose,Boozer and Noah is stupid. Why play with Rose,Boozer and Noah when you can play with just Stoudemire---if you are Melo you have to be completely stupid to think that way.

Why play with a top 5 PG, a top 10 PF and a top 10 Center when you can play with Stoudemire.

This is the same type of stuff I've read on knick forums prior to the Lberon free agency. He is given hidden signs, he wants NY but just wants it to be dramatic----blablabla---maybe hmm no. Maybe he just wants a team he is sure he can beat the Heat with?And maybe he'd think "Hey playing with Rose,Boozer,Noah and a defensive genius in Thibodeau is better than getting my ass handed to me every year in the second round of the playoffs with a coach that couldn't spell the word defense if his life depended on it."

Yes...let's ignore that he has never shown an interest in Chicago, Chicago has never shown an interest in him, Chicago fans have said Melo isn't coming, Chicago press has said Melo isn't being pursued.

Let's also ignore that this is not a basketball move. Let's ignore that he has ties to the area and that his wife wants to be here. Let's also ignore that this whole thing started when we got Amare. Let's also ignore that we clearly have back channel communication with Melo.



Let's ignore the fact that all this means absolutely nothing. Let's ignore that this organization and it's fans thought we are in the driver's seat for Lebron because we had two max slots and other team's weren't able to achieve that. We were obviously right-----oh wait.

Let's ignore the fact that having ties to this area means exactly nothing. Just ask Tony Parker how much he cares about his wife's ties and NY.

Seriously some fans will never,never,ever learn from the past.

And some fans are too stuck in it. Lebron's situation is not the blueprint for Melo's. There has been so many differences already and there is much much more indication from Melo than Lebron ever gave.

The two situations may be similar in some ways, but they are not identical.

Either way, he ain't going to Chicago.
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Post#88 » by Pharmcat » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:10 pm

im getting a feeling Melo is going to be going to NOH to be playing with his buddy C Paul at the deadline

they have a large expiring, young players in thornton and bayless to give up

and a defensive minded coach

things look nothing short but bleak for NY at the current time
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Re: Melo's Comments Speaks Volumes 

Post#89 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:11 pm

GONYK wrote:Most importantly, lets ignore that Chicago was a rumor spread by Wojo in the same breath that he called Houston a Melo favorite. People quickly dismissed Houston but choose to cling to Chicago. Why?



Because Woj isn't the only one to report it.
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Post#90 » by Fury » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:11 pm

If Melo gets traded to NOH, no chance in hell he resigns, even with Chris Paul there. That team is about to get contracted.
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Post#91 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:11 pm

Pharmcat wrote:im getting a feeling Melo is going to be going to NOH to be playing with his buddy C Paul at the deadline



I think theres a pretty good chance this happens.
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Post#92 » by Lord Commander » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:12 pm

Pharmcat wrote:im getting a feeling Melo is going to be going to NOH to be playing with his buddy C Paul at the deadline

they have a large expiring, young players in thornton and bayless to give up

and a defensive minded coach

things look nothing short but bleak for NY at the current time


:roll: Yeah because his wife really wants to be in New Orleans---her career will really blow up there.
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Post#93 » by Punk » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:13 pm

Yeah, because miami was a defensive minded team right? LOL

You guys do realize Lebron went there to play teamup with Wade, Bosh right? It had nothing to do with the system.
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Post#94 » by Marty McFly » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:13 pm

Pharmcat wrote:im getting a feeling Melo is going to be going to NOH to be playing with his buddy C Paul at the deadline

they have a large expiring, young players in thornton and bayless to give up

and a defensive minded coach

things look nothing short but bleak for NY at the current time


and you get that feeling because what? a couple random posters mentioned it? what in the **** does no have to offer the nuggets?
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Post#95 » by -Illmatic- » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:13 pm

Pharmcat wrote:im getting a feeling Melo is going to be going to NOH to be playing with his buddy C Paul at the deadline

they have a large expiring, young players in thornton and bayless to give up

and a defensive minded coach

things look nothing short but bleak for NY at the current time


Yup, I think this is probably going to happen. This amazing start by the Hornets could potentially shake up the league. Lakers could have some real competition by the deadline.
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Post#96 » by GONYK » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:14 pm

Pharmcat wrote:im getting a feeling Melo is going to be going to NOH to be playing with his buddy C Paul at the deadline

they have a large expiring, young players in thornton and bayless to give up

and a defensive minded coach

things look nothing short but bleak for NY at the current time

So he wants out of small market Denver to go to even smaller market NOH, the team that CP3 most recently tried to cut loose from when they can both be in NY?

Someone help me, because I am not seeing it
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Post#97 » by seren » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:14 pm

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dancing dervish wrote:Yeah thinking he likes Chicago because they have a great foundation in Rose,Boozer and Noah is stupid. Why play with Rose,Boozer and Noah when you can play with just Stoudemire---if you are Melo you have to be completely stupid to think that way.


If this is true, that means it is not about winning. Chicago, with all due respect, won zilch.


No, it just means that it's not 100% winning. Obviously he doesn't want to cut his salary in half to play with the Lakers, that **** up his lifetime earnings potential way to much to be realistic. This next contract is where Melo is going to make most of his money, and he knows that. Melo's interest right now is probably a mix between money and winning. Chicago offers great team talent and a max contract. I still think he ends up in New Orleans though.


As of now, Chicago offers nothing. Neither New Orleans. None of the two has the max space. All these deals have to be S&Ts. If we start talking about S&T's, there are 28 other teams that can be potential destinations including Lakers.
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Post#98 » by Punk » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:15 pm

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Pharmcat wrote:im getting a feeling Melo is going to be going to NOH to be playing with his buddy C Paul at the deadline

they have a large expiring, young players in thornton and bayless to give up

and a defensive minded coach

things look nothing short but bleak for NY at the current time


:roll: Yeah because his wife really wants to be in New Orleans---her career will really blow up there.

Right. Im sure her whole family that mostly lives within new york, her friends who live within new york and his parents would just love to know they are in New Orleans. :lol:

That is like saying Lebron had a good chance at going to the Clippers because they have Baron Davis, Blake Giffin and Eric Gordon.
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Post#99 » by Punk » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:16 pm

GONYK wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:im getting a feeling Melo is going to be going to NOH to be playing with his buddy C Paul at the deadline

they have a large expiring, young players in thornton and bayless to give up

and a defensive minded coach

things look nothing short but bleak for NY at the current time

So he wants out of small market Denver to go to even smaller market NOH, the team that CP3 most recently tried to cut loose from when they can both be in NY?

Someone help me, because I am not seeing it

And why would NOH trade Okafor, Marco, Bayless and everyone that has helped them to an 8-1 for Melo who would basically destroy the team?

The Knicks can afford to gut their roster for Melo. Hornets and Bulls cannot.
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Re: Melo's Comments Speaks Volumes 

Post#100 » by God Squad » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:16 pm

-Illmatic- wrote:I think Melo ultimately ends up with the Hornets.


I see him playing with Cp3. Either In NO or Den.

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