Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[fishercob]

Is't love a terrible defender, though?

[LyricalRico]

Is't love a terrible defender, though?

Not if you consider rebounding to be a part of defense. And if we're giving up McGee, we're really not getting any worse on defense. We're getting serious upgrades in rebounding and offensive skill and only losing a few blocks.

[closg00]

Did I miss a Zach Randolph for Arenas trade proposal on this thread?

[LyricalRico]

Did I miss a Zach Randolph for Arenas trade proposal on this thread?

I don't recall seeing one, but don't think it makes sense for either team. It's tough to say Memphis is against adding salary after the contracts they gave Gay and Conley, but I just don't see them adding another max contract to their perimeter rotation. And from a Wiz perspective, we're already getting comparable production from Blatche at a much cheaper price.

But it will be interesting to see what becomes of the Z-Bo contract saga. I don't think they extend him. Do they trade him so they don't lose him for nothing? Or do they keep him for the duration of the season, and then go into next summer with their PF/C both unrestricted free agents?

[Hoopalotta]

I think McGee's going to transform his defensive game this year.

[KiNgSbOi]

It does seem that JT is available. If the reports are true about a JT for Teague swap, then yuck! Good thing ATL declined, if indeed it was an accurate report. JT can be had for a reasonable price, I am sure what the Kings are looking for is a point guard with some shooting/defensive skills. Beno is a big liability on defense and is better suited coming off the bench. I personally want JT to remain with the Kings, it's too early to pull the plug on him, give him til the all-star break to make or break this season, you can always trade him then.

[Ruzious]

It does seem that JT is available. If the reports are true about a JT for Teague swap, then yuck! Good thing ATL declined, if indeed it was an accurate report. JT can be had for a reasonable price, I am sure what the Kings are looking for is a point guard with some shooting/defensive skills. Beno is a big liability on defense and is better suited coming off the bench. I personally want JT to remain with the Kings, it's too early to pull the plug on him, give him til the all-star break to make or break this season, you can always trade him then.

Pet peeve alert. This ain't the Kings forum. Thompson isn't JT here any more than Jeff Teague is. Spell out his last name.

[LyricalRico]

^ Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Took me a while to figure out who he was talking about. LOL

[Inliten1]

What about Marc Gasol?

Memphis may plan on letting him walk after this season. We could trade McGee for him straght up.
He might not be as athletic as McGee, but he owned McGee/Blatche last season. Hr and Serphine could work well together, given their Euro ball background.

[LyricalRico]

Hmmm...thinking about guys we can get who can help us inside but not jeapordize our 2012 cap situation...what about Nene? If Denver really does part ways with Melo and decides on a complete rebuild, Nene could be available. The problem would be coming up with the right package to send to Denver. I'd hate to give up a lot just for him to walk the next summer.

[nate33]

I wouldn't give up anything but expiring contracts for guys like Gasol or Nene. I'd rather just keep our assets and then try to acquire them for nothing via free agency.

[Hoopalotta]

Hmmm...thinking about guys we can get who can help us inside but not jeapordize our 2012 cap situation...what about Nene? If Denver really does part ways with Melo and decides on a complete rebuild, Nene could be available. The problem would be coming up with the right package to send to Denver. I'd hate to give up a lot just for him to walk the next summer.

I'm just about always wrong when I say "I think this guy will opt out" or "That guy will exercise his option", but it seems to me that Nene will opt out of that last year.

There was some talk that he'd retire after this deal, but should he want to continue on for the long haul, I'd expect him to go ahead and hit the free agent market this summer.

[verbal8]

Hmmm...thinking about guys we can get who can help us inside but not jeapordize our 2012 cap situation...what about Nene? If Denver really does part ways with Melo and decides on a complete rebuild, Nene could be available. The problem would be coming up with the right package to send to Denver. I'd hate to give up a lot just for him to walk the next summer.

I'm just about always wrong when I say "I think this guy will opt out" or "That guy will exercise his option", but it seems to me that Nene will opt out of that last year.

There was some talk that he'd retire after this deal, but should he want to continue on for the long haul, I'd expect him to go ahead and hit the free agent market this summer.

Under a CBA to the current one, I think he commands roughly Haywood money(7-9 million/year). However if the new CBA restricts contracts a lot and he is looking at around 6 million/year he might take the 11 million and then see what happens.

[dangermouse]

three teams who should be on the cusp of blowing it up are the blazers, suns and nuggets. there should be a few useful players on their rosters with contracts they would want to get rid of once their stars leave. or in the case of the blazers their stars wont be leaving but they wont be playing any time soon.

Nene has been mentioned already. he would become our starting C but im not the biggest fan to be honest. I wouldnt mind Afflalo but his contract is small enough not to matter for them.

im not sure if this was discussed in this thread or if i read it on the trade board, but what about Aldridge for Blatche? i do have a soft spot for Blatchey and he does do a few things better than Aldridge such as handle the ball and pass. But Aldridge is the better player overall, a better rebounder and hes a year younger. We pay around 3m extra per year however. Portland may bite to get the savings per year, they have Roy on their books who is probably even more unmovable than Arenas right now, and they may want to pony up to keep Legless Greg on their roster for the future. they may still feel like they can be competitive though, Aldridge is playing well and they still have good pieces, Wesley filling in for Roy is playing out of his mind.

its not a given, but if Nash gets traded i doubt there is anyone untouchable on the Phx roster, maybe apart from Dragic, Robin and Clarke. there isnt really much there but maybe Childress? they just signed Dudley up, moving Childress gets Clarke more minutes to see what he can do...

[dangermouse]

or, if the blazers still they can be competitive without 2 key pieces:

Kirk Hinrich and Hilton for a healthy Pryz

we get out of 9m next year and take a look at an expiring C coming off injury who is a big body, a rebounder and shot blocker, and would be a good compliment to the team off the bench for McGee.

Portland get a backup for Andre Miller at the point and a backup for Wesley Matthews at the sg whose name isnt Rudy Fernandez.

I wouldnt mind also doing Yi for Rudy in that deal but i didnt check the numbers. he doesnt seem to fit in to Portland and might do better in an up-tempo team like ours. on our end it also opens up more minutes for Booker to get more of a run. i would much rather Booker out there than Yi.

[Hoopalotta]

For Aldridge, it's actually an average of $6.5 million extra per year versus Blatche ($67.5 million dollar contract extension kicking in). I like him fairly well, though I don't know about his rebounding being a plus. He is a much better defender, but I couldn't really justify that at this point. If we were over the cap anyway and we're trying to do that 'one piece away' type deal, I could maybe see it, maybe, but out of the blue it crimps us too tight for my liking. I doubt the Blazers like it too much either as Dray is too close to 'Jail Blazers' status.

The Suns actually declined to pick up Clarke's third year, so he's a free agent and currently resides in a wet ditch behind the dog house (Ernie will give him a one year contract as a reclamation guy and we'll have an 'amazingly sucky Earl Clarke' thread before long - mark my words). I can't say I'm much excited about their pieces beyond a slumping Robin Lopez and Dragic, both of whom aren't going anywhere as you noted.

Trouble for any blowup squads is that they'll want to go young, which is our shtick as well and thus makes any trades unlikely. I could see some contenders coming in and pilfering pieces from anyone who goes full on blowded-up style, not unlike us with our awesome over the top pieces. Ehem.

[Dat2U]

Is't love a terrible defender, though?

Not if you consider rebounding to be a part of defense. And if we're giving up McGee, we're really not getting any worse on defense. We're getting serious upgrades in rebounding and offensive skill and only losing a few blocks.

And the same was said whenever Antawn Jamison's defense was questioned.

We aren't getting Love anyways. But he really would have to be paired with a serious shot blocker. Love is a great rebounder but he's very floor bound. He isn't going to deter guys from attacking the paint or force many misses.

[Dat2U]

I wouldn't give up anything but expiring contracts for guys like Gasol or Nene. I'd rather just keep our assets and then try to acquire them for nothing via free agency.

I don't see Memphis giving up Gasol. I think O.J. Mayo will be the one they sacrifice if it comes down to a numbers game. Mayo has been made totally irrelevant by the ball dominating ways of Gay & Conley anyways. And Thabeet has proven he's not going to contribute much of anything anytime soon behind Gasol. Gasol is the one they can't afford to lose.

Nene may become available once Denver finally realizes that Carmelo has already got one foot out the door. He's certainly a guy that could shore up the middle for us. If there was anyway to acquire him w/o using McGee or Blatche I'd be all for it. Seraphin, Booker or a future lottery protected pick would be the type of pieces I'd be willing to offer. Otherwise I'd try as you said to wait it out and see if we could eventually poach him in free agency.

[dangermouse]

Dray is too close to 'Jail Blazers' status.

totally overlooked this. definitely cant see the deal happening just for that point.

and id rather keep hold of al thornton than pick up earl clarke.

[Hoopalotta]

The trouble with Thornton is that someone will cough up a multi-year contract, so you'd need to ink him for a while to get it done. We'll see what happens, but I'm doubting that Ted has this in mind and, even if he did, there's a load of wings on the free agent market next year, some of whom would probably be better fits for us.

But a hard case like Earl Clarke, well, he well might be available on a one year deal (or a two year deal with a team option in the second year). Then, we protect our 2012 cap space while indulging in a classic "Ernie takes a flyer on a lottery bust" move.

Low risk and all it costs us is BBIQ, professionalism and the coaching staff's patience.