Jays in pursuit of Justin Upton

Post #1 » by **Duffman100** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:44 pm

http://baseball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ ... _in_upton/

oh boy. Make it happen AA. Make it happen.

MGD24 · Post #2 » by **MGD24** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:48 pm

Yes please!

but it may cost us a lot to get him

dagger · Post #3 » by **dagger** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:52 pm

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/MLB- ... amondbacks

This would not be cheap.

satyr9 · Post #4 » by **satyr9** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:53 pm

IMO this will go just like Rasmus. They're listening, but they'll want the absolute moon and it won't go anywhere.

zilby · Post #5 » by **zilby** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:53 pm

This would be a very expensive deal.

But god would I love Upton.

Post #6 » by **Duffman100** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:56 pm

So what will they ask of us? Drabek? JP? Snider? 2 of the 3?

S-centz · Post #7 » by **S-centz** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:59 pm

would be thrilled if this went through

satyr9 · Post #8 » by **satyr9** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:59 pm

Duffman100 wrote:So what will they ask of us? Drabek? JP? Snider? 2 of the 3?

My guess is it'd be Snider and Drabek to start plus an extra piece or two. Obviously just a guess.

RocLaFamilia · Post #9 » by **RocLaFamilia** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:02 pm

satyr9 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:So what will they ask of us? Drabek? JP? Snider? 2 of the 3?

My guess is it'd be Snider and Drabek to start plus an extra piece or two. Obviously just a guess.

In the long run is Upton worth that?

Post #10 » by **Duffman100** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:03 pm

RocLaFamilia wrote:
satyr9 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:So what will they ask of us? Drabek? JP? Snider? 2 of the 3?

My guess is it'd be Snider and Drabek to start plus an extra piece or two. Obviously just a guess.

In the long run is Upton worth that?

God, who knows. Potential through the roof...but B.J. had potential too.

Is the gap between Snider and Upton...drabek plus?

Relentless88 · Post #11 » by **Relentless88** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:09 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
RocLaFamilia wrote:
satyr9 wrote:My guess is it'd be Snider and Drabek to start plus an extra piece or two. Obviously just a guess.

In the long run is Upton worth that?

God, who knows. Potential through the roof...but B.J. had potential too.

Is the gap between Snider and Upton...drabek plus?

I think so. Upton would be a very good fit on this team. It'll probably cost Drabek, Snider and JPA. This guy is only 23 years old by the way.

satyr9 · Post #12 » by **satyr9** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:13 pm

RocLaFamilia wrote:
satyr9 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:So what will they ask of us? Drabek? JP? Snider? 2 of the 3?

My guess is it'd be Snider and Drabek to start plus an extra piece or two. Obviously just a guess.

In the long run is Upton worth that?

If it were just the two, it's pretty darn close for me, but he's definitely got the skills to be super duper leet. I think it'd be doable if it were just those two. The problem is, if the accounts are accurate, expect the 3rd and 4th pieces they initially ask for to be like Perez and Hech or something and at that point you just can't do it. If pieces 3 and 4 were closer to Farq and Magnuson level it becomes a maybe, but my guess is this is where talks have broken down with NYY and BOS. Montero and an arm, Kelly and Ellsbury, but not that plus 1-2 more B+ type guys.

Post #13 » by **bryant08** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:17 pm

Drabek, Snider and Arencibia? Is Upton honestly that good? I'm more of a casual fan and have heard he's got a ridiculous ceiling but his stats don't jump out at me and I've read he's not a good defensive fielder.

dagger · Post #14 » by **dagger** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:22 pm

bryant08 wrote:his stats don't jump out at me and I've read he's not a good defensive fielder.

Well if you're talking about Snider or Arencibia, do their stats or defence jump out at you?

I agree with those who say it's probably right on the margin to deal Snider and Drabek for Upton, but anything more becomes somewhat problematic if we're talking another A level prospect.

I'd like to see the Jays develop a more balanced offence, less dependent on the long ball, with more guys hitting for average.

Post #15 » by **Duffman100** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:23 pm

Can Upton play CF?

Dr Positivity · Post #16 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:36 pm

Can someone explain why Upton is such a good prospect to get Snider, Drabek and more?

zilby · Post #17 » by **zilby** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:38 pm

Duffman100 wrote:Can Upton play CF?

Plays anywhere in the field.

Whoa. Snider, Drabek +? no thanks unless that isn't true.

KPJR · Post #18 » by **KPJR** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:50 pm

id give up snider for upton straight up...imo snider will be nothing more than a 25, 80 hitter 250 avg..

unless he switches his mechanics...hes always trying to hit the long ball...rather than make contact..

Lateral Quicks · Post #19 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:13 pm

Snider and Drabek is too much. Frankly, I'm not even sure I'd give up Snider for him. Snider is slightly younger than Upton, already a better power hitter, and given a full-year of at-bats could be primed for a breakout season. Upton has better plate discipline at the moment, but a .350 OBP isn't spectacular enough to trade 4 top propsects for him. Sure you can argue Upton will get better, but why isn't the same true of Snider? They both have good track records in the minors, no? Defensively of course Upton is the superior player, but again, not worth the price his team appears to be asking.

If we're dealing from our area of strength (pitching and catching), I'm all for acquiring him if the price isn't too horrible. If something like Drabek + Arencibia + Litsch can get it done, then sure, why not.

Avenger · Post #20 » by **Avenger** » Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:28 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:Can someone explain why Upton is such a good prospect to get Snider, Drabek and more?

Justin Upton's worst case scenario is an above average borderline all star RF, his upside and best case scenario is the best player in Baseball. Frankly i don't think Drabek and Snider gets it done, remember Upton is signed to a great contract until 2015, you don't have to worry about free agency for half a decade.