Now Is The Time To Judge Us

[dlts20]

In our next game we should have Wall & Yi back with Gil starting if Flip is smart. We will have our full lineup except for Howard who is a big piece but isnt playing just yet. We will finally have our real starting lineup with Gil & Thorton unless Flip figures out a way to start Kirk again. We also have some winnable games coming up. The 1st one will be real tough as Memphis has the atheletes on the perimiter to give us fits and the big guys inside that we cant matchup with.

I understand the National & even local media ripping us but I think us as fans should atleast not fully judge the team until we are close to being complete. We still wont be full go without Howard and even then we will still be much better later on when Gil & Dray get healthier & knock the rust off but I still think now you will see glimpses of more of the real Wiz. If we still continue to lose then you can rip us but I dont think you can do that until next game or maybe even the game after since this will only be our 1st game together & the Grizz have a tough lineup.

Dray made me sick last game as his effort looked like crap and he's still taking the worst shots ever but Ill cut him some slack since he's still coming back and keeps getting banged up in the process. Some people say that he's been back long enough but I dont think people really realize how long it takes. You can just miss the whole Summer, play ball for a month and a half and think a guy is going to play the same he did at the end of last season. Its not enough time yet. It takes way longer then fans want to allow. Gil also made me mad again last game by making quick drives but then pulling way off the gas & finishing softly at the rim.

Im actually kinda glad that Gil lost his stroke last game because he's the type of guy that will say that he's going to drive more next game and stop settling. You cant complete judge the guys too bad last game because it was the 2nd night of a back to back and Boston's defense was crazy smothering. No one else can do that. Then without Wall the last 2 games we dont get any easy or fastbreak baskets. We need him for that. Him in the full court and Gil in the halfcourt is the perfect mix and Dray will really benefit. Some say Gil has lost alot and he's clearly lost some athletic ability but just like Dray he will look alot better each game. He really hasnt played much ball in the last 4 years. He's going to look better every single game, espically with Wall making it easier for him.

All Im saying is that fans should stop saying that we suck, are a 20 win team, or whatever. Even Miami has looked average. We have alot of new pieces and alot of injuried players. The next game will be as complete as weve been all year. That game or the next is when you should really start to judge us and I think we will start looking alot better. A lineup of Wall, Gil, Al, Dray, & Javelle is very solid and then we come off the bench with Kirk, a hot NY, Yi, and HA. I like that mix. We will matchup way better with teams from here on out

[nate33]

Did you really need to start a new thread for this? Couldn't it have gone in the game thread or in hands11's self-indulgent Season Tracker thread?

IBTL

[hands11]

Great summary but we still have farther to go before I would judge this team in a way that projects wins for the season.

It's an Internet board. That means most will often be negative until we are in a championship game. There will be some positive moments after a win but other than that

Fire EG
Fire Flip
Trade anyone but Wall because they amazingly suck

That is the board for the most part. May as well get used to it.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

[Ruzious]

Great summary but honestly your spitting in the wind.

I as well as others have been posting stuff like that over the summer, preseason and up till last game.

It's an Internet board. That means most will stay as negitive as possible until we are in a championship game. There will be some positive moments after a win but other than that

Fire EG
Fire Flip
Trade anyone but Wall because they suck

That is the board summary for the most part. May as well get used to it.

I dislike the fire fill in the blank threads as much as anyone, but in general the board has been overly optimistic. Most seasons, the prediction threads show the majority of folks predicting the Wiz will win more than they end up winning.

While sometimes the talent is underrated, there are more times when the team's talent is overrated, and that is the real nature of most sports net boards.

[dlts20]

Did you really need to start a new thread for this? Couldn't it have gone in the game thread or in hands11's self-indulgent Season Tracker thread?

IBTL

actually Ive never even seen that thread until you just said it. I started to put it in my optimustic thread but didnt think it was really the same thing all the way....lol

[hands11]

Great summary but honestly your spitting in the wind.

I as well as others have been posting stuff like that over the summer, preseason and up till last game.

It's an Internet board. That means most will stay as negitive as possible until we are in a championship game. There will be some positive moments after a win but other than that

Fire EG
Fire Flip
Trade anyone but Wall because they suck

That is the board summary for the most part. May as well get used to it.

I dislike the fire fill in the blank threads as much as anyone, but in general the board has been overly optimistic. Most seasons, the prediction threads show the majority of folks predicting the Wiz will win more than they end up winning.

While sometimes the talent is underrated, there are more times when the team's talent is overrated, and that is the real nature of most sports net boards.

The predictions thread would be a poor barometer for what I was talking about. Sure, people start in the off season being hopeful. It's what happens game by game after that which I was talking about.

Hell, we already have a 2011 draft thread.

[JWizmentality]

Howard aint back...so this thread = FAIL!

[Ruzious]

Great summary but honestly your spitting in the wind.

I as well as others have been posting stuff like that over the summer, preseason and up till last game.

It's an Internet board. That means most will stay as negitive as possible until we are in a championship game. There will be some positive moments after a win but other than that

Fire EG
Fire Flip
Trade anyone but Wall because they suck

That is the board summary for the most part. May as well get used to it.

I dislike the fire fill in the blank threads as much as anyone, but in general the board has been overly optimistic. Most seasons, the prediction threads show the majority of folks predicting the Wiz will win more than they end up winning.

While sometimes the talent is underrated, there are more times when the team's talent is overrated, and that is the real nature of most sports net boards.

The predictions thread would be a poor barometer for what I was talking about. Sure, people start in the off season being hopeful. It's what happens game by game after that which I was talking about.

Hell, we already have a 2011 draft thread.

It's called facing reality - which is a good thing.

[hands11]

Your reality is subjective based on what information you have available to you, your understanding of that information, and how you bundle it together and think about that bundle.

The fact that we say water is wet is a reality. Your prediction of the Wizards in only that, your prediction, not reality.


Some even believe that your thought help create things. If true, thanks for helping our team lose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukbFvxusMMI

[BigA]

Wow, this thread got pretty heavy all of a sudden. What is reality anyway?

There's sometimes a buggy...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKfU5gd7brU[/youtube]

[Dat2U]

Great summary but we still have farther to go before I would judge this team in a way that projects wins for the season.

It's an Internet board. That means most will often be negative until we are in a championship game. There will be some positive moments after a win but other than that

Fire EG
Fire Flip
Trade anyone but Wall because they amazingly suck

That is the board for the most part. May as well get used to it.

I agree with Ruz (for once ). For the most part, we are homers. Now the 'Amazingly Sucky' threads have been a bit overboard recently but in general we greatly overrate our own talent and prospects, much like every message board does with its own teams.

Just like with the Fire EG thing. I'm still in the minority with that. Most here either believe he's had a solid offseason or that he was always a solid GM trapped under a meddling owner. We make a ton of excuses for guy, give him the benefit of doubt for every move that he makes and were incredibly patient in waiting to see if his moves eventually pans out.

[fugop]

For what it's worth, the Wizards board is much less inclined toward homerism (the endowment effect) than most. There are some insightful people here, who do an astonishingly good job of checking their biases with solid statistical work.

[willbcocks]

Just like with the Fire EG thing. I'm still in the minority with that. Most here either believe he's had a solid offseason or that he was always a solid GM trapped under a meddling owner. We make a ton of excuses for guy, give him the benefit of doubt for every move that he makes and were incredibly patient in waiting to see if his moves eventually pans out.

I feel like most people here think EG is average at best and wouldn't mind replacing him. I just think there's a very lyrical minority.

[JWizmentality]

^^^I see what you did there.

[Ruzious]

Your reality is subjective based on what information you have available to you, your understanding of that information, and how you bundle it together and think about that bundle.

The fact that we say water is wet is a reality. Your prediction of the Wizards in only that, your prediction, not reality.


Some even believe that your thought help create things. If true, thanks for helping our team lose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukbFvxusMMI

Anyway, back to earth... I think most of us are smart enough to tell opinions from facts. I don't think of my posts as being necessarily positive or negative. I think of them as sharing opinions and info on a team and sport I love - attempting to be smart and objective and having a little fun. I'm not quite a big enough whack job to think that I affect the team's record.

[Nivek]

I've actually done research that (to my satisfaction anyway) explains the extreme reactions we see from fans following a game (either a win or a loss). Basically it goes like this: when a team wins, it looks good. When a team loses, it looks bad. Over the course of a season, an average team will statistically resemble one of the worst teams in the league looking only at losses; looking only at wins, they'll resemble one of the league's best teams. Fans react to what they see.

[hands11]

Your reality is subjective based on what information you have available to you, your understanding of that information, and how you bundle it together and think about that bundle.

The fact that we say water is wet is a reality. Your prediction of the Wizards in only that, your prediction, not reality.


Some even believe that your thought help create things. If true, thanks for helping our team lose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukbFvxusMMI

Anyway, back to earth... I think most of us are smart enough to tell opinions from facts. I don't think of my posts as being necessarily positive or negative. I think of them as sharing opinions and info on a team and sport I love - attempting to be smart and objective and having a little fun. I'm not quite a big enough whack job to think that I affect the team's record.

Actually, it isn't wack job. It's science.

Quantum physics.

They have observed that that at the sub atom particle level that particles change their actions depending on who and how they are observing them. The masses will always lag behind the science. That is normal.

The Earth was the center of the solar system and the universe, until it wasn't.
The Earth was flat until is wasn't.

All whack job observations and punishable by death at one point, not anymore. Now they are common fact. Regardless of if you personally believe it to be trust, you are manifesting your destiny. We all are. Individually and collectively.