We cannot rebound!

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We cannot rebound! 

Post#1 » by HolyToledo » Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:15 pm

The Jazz defense is improved this year as the Memo/Boozer combo was the alltime worst combo of big defenders. The Jazz offense is of to a slow start but improving with time and should get back to where it was last year. But..

We cannot rebound! We a middle of the road rebounding team according to stats, but watching the games I would say we are a poor rebounding team despite a big and tall front line and two decent sized guards. Jefferson's rebounding has been below par. Millsaps rebounding has been good. Ak-47 should be able to get more rebounds as well but our guards dont rebound whatsoever. DWILL and Raja need to stick his nose in there more often. The Jazz team were spoiled by Boozer's rebounding and need to adjust because Jefferson doesnt rebound nearly as well as Boozer.

The Jazz cannot continue to allow second shots especially to good teams that will make them pay for it.
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Post#2 » by Jazzfan12 » Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:45 pm

Jefferson is terrible at rebounding. He needs to stop going for the ball, start boxing out, and let Millsap go for the ball.
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Re: We cannot rebound! 

Post#3 » by The59Sound » Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:18 pm

Deron is averaging a career high at 4.6. That's right where he needs to be as a PG. I've been quite impressed by his rebounding, both statistically and watching him take balls away from opposing big guys.

You're right about Al. He has a perfectly respectable 8.7 per game average, but when you watch the game, it's painful seeing him lose relatively easy boards to whoever he's guarding on a particular night.
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Post#4 » by BarneyGumble » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:10 pm

I agree. Our rebounding is a huge liability. Millsap being undersized and Jefferson not able to hold onto the ball well are problems...
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Re: We cannot rebound! 

Post#5 » by GP » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:26 pm

Jefferson needs to relearn how to box out. He rebounds at a decent rate, but because he doesn't box out, it seems like he is always being out rebounded. I didn't see much of him in Minny, so don't know if this is just normal for him or its just a minor setback. Also say what you want about boozer, but he did box out, or if the guy was in front of him he would "nudge" him in the back and get the rebound.
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Post#6 » by Dozer! » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:56 pm

GP wrote:Jefferson needs to relearn how to box out. He rebounds at a decent rate, but because he doesn't box out, it seems like he is always being out rebounded. I didn't see much of him in Minny, so don't know if this is just normal for him or its just a minor setback. Also say what you want about boozer, but he did box out, or if the guy was in front of him he would "nudge" him in the back and get the rebound.

Even as a Jazz fan I could not believe how often Boozer got away with the 'nudge'. Besides not boxing out, from what I've seen it looks like Jefferson goes for alot of blocks rather than establishing early rebounding position. Boozer would not even try to alter a shot, he would be in rebounding position before the shot even went up.
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Re: We cannot rebound! 

Post#7 » by Jazzfan Bayamon » Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:11 pm

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GP wrote:Jefferson needs to relearn how to box out. He rebounds at a decent rate, but because he doesn't box out, it seems like he is always being out rebounded. I didn't see much of him in Minny, so don't know if this is just normal for him or its just a minor setback. Also say what you want about boozer, but he did box out, or if the guy was in front of him he would "nudge" him in the back and get the rebound.

Even as a Jazz fan I could not believe how often Boozer got away with the 'nudge'. Besides not boxing out, from what I've seen it looks like Jefferson goes for alot of blocks rather than establishing early rebounding position. Boozer would not even try to alter a shot, he would be in rebounding position before the shot even went up.


This. Big Al contests much more shots than Carlos EVER did and that leaves him out of rebounding position.

Also I've noticed that Al and Millsap are both the same type of rebounders. They are "hustle rebounders" which means they often go after the ball instead of getting position. In previous years, both Okur and Boozer are "position rebounders" which means they establish position to get the board.

Also, comparing Al to Carlos, Carlos has a wider (stronger) frame and he used it jumping off both legs grabbing the ball with both hands while Jefferson usualy doesn't jump as high and tries to tap it (with one hand) to himself often alowing for others two "out tap him" or swipe the ball off of his hands.

That's why I think our rebounding will get much better with Memo assuming he can play at an expected level from him.
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Re: We cannot rebound! 

Post#8 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:58 pm

On the bright side Deron could get his first triple double this year...

I think we got spoiled with Boozer being here for so long... he was one of the best, if not the best defensive rebounders in the league....now he is gone we are seeing a big difference in a negative way.
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Re: We cannot rebound! 

Post#9 » by GP » Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:49 pm

Dozer! wrote:Even as a Jazz fan I could not believe how often Boozer got away with the 'nudge'. Besides not boxing out, from what I've seen it looks like Jefferson goes for alot of blocks rather than establishing early rebounding position. Boozer would not even try to alter a shot, he would be in rebounding position before the shot even went up.


Good point, kind of a catch 22 right? Go for the block, but give up a rebound. The nudge may have been my favorite boozer move.
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Re: We cannot rebound! 

Post#10 » by shrink » Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:05 pm

GP wrote:I didn't see much of him in Minny, so don't know if this is just normal for him or its just a minor setback.


Minor setback. He was a top 4-7 rebounder in the NBA every year until his injury, and the year he came back early, he was still in the top 25 (though Love was getting some of those too)

He has several seasons around 11 RPG, which used to be an incredibly high average.
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Re: We cannot rebound! 

Post#11 » by Luigi » Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:54 pm

More than once last game, I watched Millsap and Jefferson stand in the paint with their heads turned toward the rim, and then let Duncan and Blair simply step around them and then just stand there in front of them for the rebound. It was like they were waiting in line for something, and someone just stepped out of line behind them, cut in front of them, and they didn't even blink.

How can you play organized basketball and not box out?

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Blair got 6 offensive rebounds. Duncan got 6 offensive rebounds.
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Re: We cannot rebound! 

Post#12 » by Luigi » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:00 pm

Millsap and Jefferson gave up 7 offensive boards to Aldridge, and 6 offensive boards to Camby respectively.

Now, Camby is a good rebounder, but he's small, and good rebounding fundamentals keep long jumpers off the offensive glass. Aldridge is not known as a rebounder. Millsap needs to rediscover his inner rebound beast that got him a spot in the NBA.
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Re: We cannot rebound! 

Post#13 » by Luigi » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:59 am

Dalembert got 5 offensive boards. Landry got 3 offensive boards.

Some improvement, but still out of the acceptable range.
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