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Official Wizards 2010 Draft Thread (Part 3)

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Re: Official Wizards 2010 Draft Thread (Part 3) 

Post#1041 » by closg00 » Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:48 pm

Wizards head coach Flip Saunders revealed prior to the game tonight that Washington had its eyes on Vasquez prior to the NBA Draft Lottery last May.

"We liked him," said Saunders. "Going into the lottery, we knew we had some high picks, early pick, the late first round. Not knowing that we thought that we’d probably look for a point guard with our second pick, and that he was guy that would be very viable for us
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Late draft news that came-out today, not a surprise.
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Re: Official Wizards 2010 Draft Thread (Part 3) 

Post#1042 » by no D in Hibachi » Sat Feb 4, 2012 6:43 pm

David Thorpe did his top 20 NBA sophomores list. The Wiz have 3 reps from the 2010 draft. The first two are Griffin and Monroe, followed by Wall:
3. John Wall, Wizards
When he's on, he's untouchable. Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, John Wall. That's the list of elite athletes with size at the point guard spot. Wall is the fastest of the three, to my eye, and the best natural passer. So yes, he's got multiple All-Star appearances in his near future, if he and his franchise get things figured out.

Simply put, the Wizards have steered off course -- which might be by design -- and Wall has taken a step backward this year. Not his overall game, but his shooting. He still can't shoot and is not a great paint finisher, either. There's every reason to believe he'll improve this part of his game, but until he does, he just can't be nearly as effective on offense.

4) Cousins, 5) Splitter 6) Turner 7) George 8) Asik 9) Pekovic 10) Patterson 11) Favors 12) Fields

13. Jordan Crawford, Wizards
Crawford is a blur on the court, slowing down only long enough to shoot the ball, which he does lot. He may not be making many shots now, but he's someone to keep an eye on. As the Wizards mature, his efficiency should grow, because when he learns to slow down and read, the game will become much easier for him.


14) Jerebko 15)Haywood 16)Neal
17. Trevor Booker, Wizards
I find Booker to be one of the most intriguing players of this class. He's probably the most athletic player overall, which makes up for his smaller size as a power forward. When he tries to do too much, he's turnover-prone. But when he plays within himself, he's a very valuable player who helps his team by scoring efficiently, rebounding and earning extra possessions through sheer hustle.

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Re: Official Wizards 2010 Draft Thread (Part 3) 

Post#1043 » by Dat2U » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:38 pm

Dat2U wrote:I'm more interested in getting a late 1st rounder than a mid-1st rounder. I think you can get the same quality of player at #25 as you could get at #15. Also, with a late 1st rounder, there shouldn't be a need to take a bad contract in return to facilitate a deal. We might be able to get a deal done with our #35 & cash.

My targets for a pick in the 20s are Whiteside, Alabi, Pondexter, Jones & Crawford.


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DallasShalDune wrote:That would be great (I saw the same program) but what would the Wizards have to give (or take) to gain the 11th pick?


What if we have to take back MoPete AND Songaila to out-bid the other suitors? Assuming we'd still be using the 2009-10 salaries, we could do it using both our TPEs. That would mean we'd be paying about $11M for the #11. I think it's still worth it, especially considering that Songaila is actually a useful player.


Who do you take at #11? I'm just not really sold on anyone there. I just think you can get a similarly talented guy at #25 as you could at #10 or #11. Patrick Patterson is probably the safest guy at that stage but he doesn't really fill a need. I guess I'd look at either Henry or George. #11 is too high for Whiteside. I don't like any of the white guys (Aldrich, Babbitt & Hayward - Am I'm being too biased?) touted in the mid-first round.

To me the ideal situation is to procure a mid-twenties pick (using our #35 pick) and either take Whiteside/Alabi if they fall or take the best wing available (Jones, Pondexter, James or Crawford). Hope one of the above falls at 30 or take Trevor Booker.


In response to the drafting of Seraphin:

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Dat2U wrote:Fish, I haven't seen the finishing ability or nice touch around the basket. He's big and relatively mobile but I wouldn't say he's better around the basket than someone like Etan Thomas.

As for upside. Upside to be what? Backup C of the future? I don't see the Nene/Horford comparisons. Maybe in that all three are undersized but solidly built but that's where the comparisons end. There's no comparison in terms of b-ball IQ or skillset. How long should we be patient in terms of developing a guy like that? So if he's not productive on his rookie deal, does that mean we'll have to overpay him just when he's just starting to become a useful player?

If Serpahin ever becomes as useful as a guy like Crawford I'll be pleasantly surprised. But like you said, IF that ever happens, it will take years to get to that point. Seems to me, that the resources used to acquire such a project would have been better used elsewhere.


When I watch all the videos posted in the seraphin thread, i see a hell of a lot more upside than Etan. Dunking on Cousins and blocking Wall, his workout videos showing nice baby hooks with both hands, the Cholet footage shows some nice moves against pro competition. Etan was an Adonis, but a robot with little to no skill.

I get the frustration, as we live in an instant gratification world. But polished bigs with seraphin's body are top 5 picks. He's not Robert Swift, Saer Sene, etc.


And Kwame put up 30 & 19 on CWebb and played a prime JO to a standstill nearly every time they played his first few years in the league.

Point being, one game doesn't make a player.

I don't know how we can yet determine he's not a Robert Swift or Saer Sene. Actually Sene was a guy I thought of when looking a KS. Both were incredibly raw. Both supposedly had a very good work ethic. Both learned the game late but were rapidly improving up until the draft. I actually liked Sene during the draft process. I thought the upside was there. Boy was I wrong.

If we wanted a high upside big then we should have probably drafted Hassan Whiteside who's already got one legit NBA tool that he can use from day one, his shot blocking ability. Whiteside with the right amount of coddling can be pretty damned good (I know I'm making Hoopalotta cringe right now, lol). Whiteside is a better prospect than McGee coming out of college. There's no doubt in my mind of that and the numbers from college back that up.

I also liked Solomon Alabi more than KSera too. Not the raw upside or phyiscal tools but a solid frame, the ability to face the basket and hit a 15 footer (and an excellent FT shooter too) and maybe even more importantly, a high b-ball IQ.


I'm not perfect but that Whiteside kid is looking pretty good... I need a scouting job lol!
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Re: Official Wizards 2010 Draft Thread (Part 3) 

Post#1044 » by nate33 » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:47 pm

Holy grave digging, Batman!

But yeah, you did nail the Whiteside draft. Obviously, it's entirely possible that he would have first played himself out of the league before developing some maturity in the overseas leagues. But your point about Seraphin is well-founded. There's no point in spending years to groom a guy who will ultimately only be a backup center. You either get a guy with limited upside who can play right away so you have a cheap backup for 4 years; or you get a guy with crazy upside who may not pan out, but if he does he could be a star. Seraphin was neither.
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Post#1045 » by Ruzious » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:54 pm

See Hoopa's post (#11) on the first page re why Whiteside dropped.
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Re: Official Wizards 2010 Draft Thread (Part 3) 

Post#1046 » by fishercob » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:05 pm

Ruzious wrote:See Hoopa's post (#11) on the first page re why Whiteside dropped.


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Re: Official Wizards 2010 Draft Thread (Part 3) 

Post#1047 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:31 am

Dat2U wrote:
Dat2U wrote:I'm more interested in getting a late 1st rounder than a mid-1st rounder. I think you can get the same quality of player at #25 as you could get at #15. Also, with a late 1st rounder, there shouldn't be a need to take a bad contract in return to facilitate a deal. We might be able to get a deal done with our #35 & cash.

My targets for a pick in the 20s are Whiteside, Alabi, Pondexter, Jones & Crawford.


Dat2U wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:
What if we have to take back MoPete AND Songaila to out-bid the other suitors? Assuming we'd still be using the 2009-10 salaries, we could do it using both our TPEs. That would mean we'd be paying about $11M for the #11. I think it's still worth it, especially considering that Songaila is actually a useful player.


Who do you take at #11? I'm just not really sold on anyone there. I just think you can get a similarly talented guy at #25 as you could at #10 or #11. Patrick Patterson is probably the safest guy at that stage but he doesn't really fill a need. I guess I'd look at either Henry or George. #11 is too high for Whiteside. I don't like any of the white guys (Aldrich, Babbitt & Hayward - Am I'm being too biased?) touted in the mid-first round.

To me the ideal situation is to procure a mid-twenties pick (using our #35 pick) and either take Whiteside/Alabi if they fall or take the best wing available (Jones, Pondexter, James or Crawford). Hope one of the above falls at 30 or take Trevor Booker.


In response to the drafting of Seraphin:

Dat2U wrote:
fishercob wrote:
When I watch all the videos posted in the seraphin thread, i see a hell of a lot more upside than Etan. Dunking on Cousins and blocking Wall, his workout videos showing nice baby hooks with both hands, the Cholet footage shows some nice moves against pro competition. Etan was an Adonis, but a robot with little to no skill.

I get the frustration, as we live in an instant gratification world. But polished bigs with seraphin's body are top 5 picks. He's not Robert Swift, Saer Sene, etc.


And Kwame put up 30 & 19 on CWebb and played a prime JO to a standstill nearly every time they played his first few years in the league.

Point being, one game doesn't make a player.

I don't know how we can yet determine he's not a Robert Swift or Saer Sene. Actually Sene was a guy I thought of when looking a KS. Both were incredibly raw. Both supposedly had a very good work ethic. Both learned the game late but were rapidly improving up until the draft. I actually liked Sene during the draft process. I thought the upside was there. Boy was I wrong.

If we wanted a high upside big then we should have probably drafted Hassan Whiteside who's already got one legit NBA tool that he can use from day one, his shot blocking ability. Whiteside with the right amount of coddling can be pretty damned good (I know I'm making Hoopalotta cringe right now, lol). Whiteside is a better prospect than McGee coming out of college. There's no doubt in my mind of that and the numbers from college back that up.

I also liked Solomon Alabi more than KSera too. Not the raw upside or phyiscal tools but a solid frame, the ability to face the basket and hit a 15 footer (and an excellent FT shooter too) and maybe even more importantly, a high b-ball IQ.


You're among THE best Dat.

I'm not perfect but that Whiteside kid is looking pretty good... I need a scouting job lol!




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