[Camelo Thread]**UPDATE MELO PUSHING FOR KNICKS**- Part 4

[kane2021]

Question guys. I have followed the melo rumors from the beginning but on this board everyone has speculated that melo tuned down the nj trade offer and that's why it didn't go down but I also heard that Denver took to long and it fell through. so is there any evidence like articles or sources say he turned it down? I know now he is more sour to the idea after talking to some guys that used to play for the nets and is now ny or maybe Chicago but really ny or bust but what about before because I still have that worry in the back of my mind that nj will come in and swoop him up I still believe he will be a knicks as it just seems so perfect with their family there but wanted to know if any of you guys had the answer because I know it has been speculated by many people.
Thanks

There was a story about it a month ago. They asked him if he had approved the trade. His response was "I never said I was going to the nets"

[NYman15]

Thanks I forgot melo said he never said he was going to the nets I believe his valley is slowly going down because teams know denver will want something for him and what helps us is, even though I don't want to do it,gallo is playing better and raising his stock and so is td and fields and will chandler so it sounds good but I won't believe it till he had a ny jersey on but we need him because uf chooses the knicks it will affect this franchise for the next decade. I believe that every day that passes it is getting easier for melo to say ny or bust whether by trade or free agency

[kane2021]

This is just my opinion gathered from the events i have been watching past few months

*Nuggets offer melo extension. He does not sign. Nuggets threaten to trade him if he does not sign (this was reported)

*melo get married in NY with new knick very close. Jokes and toasts to knicks with denver brass present

*owner strong arms melo in media, then hire GM

*GM puts together a BS trade contingent on the extension, to a team he already showed little desire to play for, to pressure melo to stay

*trade hits a wall. even though reports come out melo agreed

*GM says knicks dont have the assets

*GM accuses Knicks of back door recruiting

*GM expresses desire to NOT trade melo to knicks

*melo goes public. He wants to be a FA. Shoots down nets trade. Trade dead

IMO denver's gm is answering phones with a colorful wig on. First order of business was to pressure him to sign. 2nd order of business was to present a example of a acceptable package. Now its about reality. He is gone. They know it. DO they get nothing, or do they get something.

[RHODEY]

This is just my opinion gathered from the events i have been watching past few months

*Nuggets offer melo extension. He does not sign. Nuggets threaten to trade him if he does not sign (this was reported)

*melo get married in NY with new knick very close. Jokes and toasts to knicks with denver brass present

*owner strong arms melo in media, then hire GM

*GM puts together a BS trade contingent on the extension, to a team he already showed little desire to play for, to pressure melo to stay

*trade hits a wall. even though reports come out melo agreed

*GM says knicks dont have the assets

*GM accuses Knicks of back door recruiting

*GM expresses desire to NOT trade melo to knicks

*melo goes public. He wants to be a FA. Shoots down nets trade. Trade dead

IMO denver's gm is answering phones with a colorful wig on. First order of business was to pressure him to sign. 2nd order of business was to present a example of a acceptable package. Now its about reality. He is gone. They know it. DO they get nothing, or do they get something.

Thanks Kane. all this, "I'm glad player X has upped his trade value.." paints a false picture..The Nuggets had very little leverage and it's getting worse day by day. They tried to make it seem like there was a market for Melo's services, but it didn't work.. It's NY or Bust for Melo IMO.

Maybe they could have had Gallo, AR,and 1st rnd pick , and maybe even douglas - who really knows what our original offer was. Point is they should not get anything near that now. Really they should get nothing, I'm hoping for Melo playing out the season and coming next year. He's shown he has the mental fortitude to do it. He's not freaking out, just coasting.

Really he couldn't be handling this any better. If it comes down to a trade, I will formulate my opinion on Walsh's skills depending on how much (or little ) we decide give up.

[NYman15]

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page ... ony-latest

This is supposedly the latest news on melo from espn.

I still don't believe many teams will trade for him without extension but they definetly won't give up a whole lot. But with fields raising his value and gallo and will the thrill playing well and td and we still have ar with a ton of potential, remember every team called for him last year, so the knicks still have some assets to give

[Marty McFly]

I've personally grown cold of Melo joining this team. I'm not saying he's not a great player, but i don't see how much better the Knicks will be with him. i don't think stat and Melo are all that complimentary of one another.

We'd need a pure PG who's great on both ends(I'm still 'eh' on Felton) to offset both Melo and Stat's lack of defensive prowess (I'm not saying they're horrible, but they're not championship caliber defensively either.)

Landry fits in well in the back court;

A healthy Oden would be ideal in the frontcourt with stat and melo, since all he would need to worry about is boarding and defense.

If we can keep landry, land melo, and somehow come away with a pure pg who's really good on both ends Then i can see it turning into a championship caliber team. other than that, I just don't see it with those two (Stat, Melo.).

[GONYK]

I've personally grown cold of Melo joining this team. I'm not saying he's not a great player, but i don't see how much better the Knicks will be with him. i don't think stat and Melo are all that complimentary of one another.

We'd need a pure PG who's great on both ends(I'm still 'eh' on Felton) to offset both Melo and Stat's lack of defensive prowess (I'm not saying they're horrible, but they're not championship caliber defensively either.)

Landry fits in well in the back court;

A healthy Oden would be ideal in the frontcourt with stat and melo, since all he would need to worry about is boarding and defense.

If we can keep landry, land melo, and somehow come away with a pure pg who's really good on both ends Then i can see it turning into a championship caliber team. other than that, I just don't see it with those two (Stat, Melo.).

[GONYK]

In all seriousness, I have never thought that Melo would make us contenders. I have maintained that he would make us the new Hawks. That being said, I would take being the new Hawks until we can add more pieces around that core.

Either way though, it is Melo's job to get to NY, not Donnie's.

[seren]

Melo's season performance makes me want him more. He is averaging 9.2 boards on the absence of Denver's big guys. He has improved in blocks and steals as well. He shows that he cares when he could have just give in.

[kane2021]

This is just my opinion gathered from the events i have been watching past few months

*Nuggets offer melo extension. He does not sign. Nuggets threaten to trade him if he does not sign (this was reported)

*melo get married in NY with new knick very close. Jokes and toasts to knicks with denver brass present

*owner strong arms melo in media, then hire GM

*GM puts together a BS trade contingent on the extension, to a team he already showed little desire to play for, to pressure melo to stay

*trade hits a wall. even though reports come out melo agreed

*GM says knicks dont have the assets

*GM accuses Knicks of back door recruiting

*GM expresses desire to NOT trade melo to knicks

*melo goes public. He wants to be a FA. Shoots down nets trade. Trade dead

IMO denver's gm is answering phones with a colorful wig on. First order of business was to pressure him to sign. 2nd order of business was to present a example of a acceptable package. Now its about reality. He is gone. They know it. DO they get nothing, or do they get something.

Thanks Kane. all this, "I'm glad player X has upped his trade value.." paints a false picture..The Nuggets had very little leverage and it's getting worse day by day. They tried to make it seem like there was a market for Melo's services, but it didn't work.. It's NY or Bust for Melo IMO.

Maybe they could have had Gallo, AR,and 1st rnd pick , and maybe even douglas - who really knows what our original offer was. Point is they should not get anything near that now. Really they should get nothing, I'm hoping for Melo playing out the season and coming next year. He's shown he has the mental fortitude to do it. He's not freaking out, just coasting.

Really he couldn't be handling this any better. If it comes down to a trade, I will formulate my opinion on Walsh's skills depending on how much (or little ) we decide give up.

We have to be strong. Because we are dealing with a brewing problem of our own now. I wont lie. Give me melo now. I would love that. But, I do know the best thing for us is just to play it out. Its my impatience that wants to see it done right now. But maybe its best we take this time to evaluate our own current situation. Because in all fairness, these steady rumors play a part.

The nuggets in all honesty are held at melos mercy. The ONLY thing the nuggest can do at this point is find a team that will give them a little something in return for a rental. Trouble is this. Melo is and will continue to be a media circus. Even on a simple rental, a team is taking on a dramatic situation. Im just not so sure a team is willing to pay anything NEAR sympathetic value for the circus they will inherit. Especially if the knicks offer competitive value. And in this situation, competitive value is substantially lower than the actual players value.

Another thing I find interesting is the date that Walsh announced he will return from recovery. A date that was thrown around at the end of all the melo the fire.

And I agree about rating players as sliding stock game to game. Teams have dedicated scouts. They take their time and research players. One game or a bad stretch is not going to make a scout subtract a value point. lol.

Here is something we need to keep a eye on. Wilson Chandler. He has shown to be effective off the bench in 3 positions. His contract is in its final year. And I think both sides want to stay. If we can deal for melo, with or without a new deal, we can use our bird right to retain both Wilson and Melo.

Again, this is just my thinking. But I have a feeling we may be looking at billups. And I think denver might be willing to do him a solid. I THINK best case, is melo, billups, and wilson for the knicks. And we CAN deal felton on and after the 15th. What makes me thing against that on the other hand is a friendly contract on billups that has a team option next season. They could just keep him and opt out. ORRRR maybe they are looking to collect as much as they can on 2 possible exiting players. Just my own speculation.

Billups is older. He is not perfect. But it would be a upgrade. And a very serviceable veteran who will be expiring if we deal for him, and opt in. A upgrade, and a valuable trade chip.

One last point. I think it was towelie mags or gonyk (sorry I dont remember who) that suggested it could be DENVER waiting till the 15th because they may want to deal harringtons fresh deal if they are going to start all over.

[AllanHoustonFan]

I have a feeling sh*t is gonna get done in Dec.

[Marty McFly]

I've personally grown cold of Melo joining this team. I'm not saying he's not a great player, but i don't see how much better the Knicks will be with him. i don't think stat and Melo are all that complimentary of one another.

We'd need a pure PG who's great on both ends(I'm still 'eh' on Felton) to offset both Melo and Stat's lack of defensive prowess (I'm not saying they're horrible, but they're not championship caliber defensively either.)

Landry fits in well in the back court;

A healthy Oden would be ideal in the frontcourt with stat and melo, since all he would need to worry about is boarding and defense.

If we can keep landry, land melo, and somehow come away with a pure pg who's really good on both ends Then i can see it turning into a championship caliber team. other than that, I just don't see it with those two (Stat, Melo.).

[RHODEY]

This is just my opinion gathered from the events i have been watching past few months

*Nuggets offer melo extension. He does not sign. Nuggets threaten to trade him if he does not sign (this was reported)

*melo get married in NY with new knick very close. Jokes and toasts to knicks with denver brass present

*owner strong arms melo in media, then hire GM

*GM puts together a BS trade contingent on the extension, to a team he already showed little desire to play for, to pressure melo to stay

*trade hits a wall. even though reports come out melo agreed

*GM says knicks dont have the assets

*GM accuses Knicks of back door recruiting

*GM expresses desire to NOT trade melo to knicks

*melo goes public. He wants to be a FA. Shoots down nets trade. Trade dead

IMO denver's gm is answering phones with a colorful wig on. First order of business was to pressure him to sign. 2nd order of business was to present a example of a acceptable package. Now its about reality. He is gone. They know it. DO they get nothing, or do they get something.

Thanks Kane. all this, "I'm glad player X has upped his trade value.." paints a false picture..The Nuggets had very little leverage and it's getting worse day by day. They tried to make it seem like there was a market for Melo's services, but it didn't work.. It's NY or Bust for Melo IMO.

Maybe they could have had Gallo, AR,and 1st rnd pick , and maybe even douglas - who really knows what our original offer was. Point is they should not get anything near that now. Really they should get nothing, I'm hoping for Melo playing out the season and coming next year. He's shown he has the mental fortitude to do it. He's not freaking out, just coasting.

Really he couldn't be handling this any better. If it comes down to a trade, I will formulate my opinion on Walsh's skills depending on how much (or little ) we decide give up.

We have to be strong. Because we are dealing with a brewing problem of our own now. I wont lie. Give me melo now. I would love that. But, I do know the best thing for us is just to play it out. Its my impatience that wants to see it done right now. But maybe its best we take this time to evaluate our own current situation. Because in all fairness, these steady rumors play a part.

The nuggets in all honesty are held at melos mercy. The ONLY thing the nuggest can do at this point is find a team that will give them a little something in return for a rental. Trouble is this. Melo is and will continue to be a media circus. Even on a simple rental, a team is taking on a dramatic situation. Im just not so sure a team is willing to pay anything NEAR sympathetic value for the circus they will inherit. Especially if the knicks offer competitive value. And in this situation, competitive value is substantially lower than the actual players value.

Another thing I find interesting is the date that Walsh announced he will return from recovery. A date that was thrown around at the end of all the melo the fire.

And I agree about rating players as sliding stock game to game. Teams have dedicated scouts. They take their time and research players. One game or a bad stretch is not going to make a scout subtract a value point. lol.

Here is something we need to keep a eye on. Wilson Chandler. He has shown to be effective off the bench in 3 positions. His contract is in its final year. And I think both sides want to stay. If we can deal for melo, with or without a new deal, we can use our bird right to retain both Wilson and Melo.

Again, this is just my thinking. But I have a feeling we may be looking at billups. And I think denver might be willing to do him a solid. I THINK best case, is melo, billups, and wilson for the knicks. And we CAN deal felton on and after the 15th. What makes me thing against that on the other hand is a friendly contract on billups that has a team option next season. They could just keep him and opt out. ORRRR maybe they are looking to collect as much as they can on 2 possible exiting players. Just my own speculation.

Billups is older. He is not perfect. But it would be a upgrade. And a very serviceable veteran who will be expiring if we deal for him, and opt in. A upgrade, and a valuable trade chip.

One last point. I think it was towelie mags or gonyk (sorry I dont remember who) that suggested it could be DENVER waiting till the 15th because they may want to deal harringtons fresh deal if they are going to start all over.

So Kane you think Denver would take a weaker package from a team like Dallas just to spite us? I doubt Dallas would trade any if their starters for a rental, even if that rental is Melo. How well would Carmelo work with Dirk?




Also Billups looks pretty bad right now IMO. I'm not going to say that a definite upgrade.

[N8isScofield]

So Kane you think Denver would take a weaker package from a team like Dallas just to spite us? I doubt Dallas would trade any if their starters for a rental, even if that rental is Melo. How well would Carmelo work with Dirk?




Also Billups looks pretty bad right now IMO. I'm not going to say that a definite upgrade.

You're forgetting the 2 most important words when talking about the Dallas Mavericks. MARK CUBAN. He'd make the trade and then bank on his own ability to convince Melo to stay. Mark Cuban has a great deal of confidence in himself and a great desire to entertain those Mavs fans so I think it's a possibility even if it's not necessarily likely.

[aggo]

A team renting Melo would be a HUGE BOON. and would all but guarantee that he comes here in the offseason.

Him getting rented>>>>>>>>>>staying put for season

[Falstaffxx]

The whole "Knicks have no assets" thing seems to be going away.

[kane2021]

So Kane you think Denver would take a weaker package from a team like Dallas just to spite us? I doubt Dallas would trade any if their starters for a rental, even if that rental is Melo. How well would Carmelo work with Dirk?




Also Billups looks pretty bad right now IMO. I'm not going to say that a definite upgrade.

I just dont see how anyone is going to give up anything outside of some expiring junk and a mid level prospect. I mean, WE can do that. At the end of the day you got to do whats best for your business. Cuban has always been a big spender. But he's no dummy.

Look at the owner in Cleveland. He wrote this emotional piece about james, bashing him. Day or 2 later he OKed a s/t. Swallowed his pride and took the pick and TPE. If there was ever a case where a franchise could have stuck it to a player and team, that was it. TOR did similar with bosh.

One thing we need to do is put ourselves in HIS shoes. Unlike james, he has expressed serious interest, to the point that its unprofessional. If you have your heart set on something, how far are you willing to compromise? Im 10 months away from being where I want to be. Am I really willing to compromise my location to save a little time? As a Puerto Rican man, I can say with 100% confidence. THEY are not going to texas. Not by choice. Not with less than a year from having the choice to go home.

Sucks man. This cloud. The constant questions always leaves a unstable feeling. We as fans FELL IT TOO. But we are due. And if Walsh has proven anything to me in his time here, he is NOT afraid to pull the trigger. We might not like the contents of the deal. But he has the guts to do it.

I think we are in good shape in this situation. I expect to hear all kinds of crazy rumors until its over.

[Punk]

So now teams are willing to rent him? That speaks volumes.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

So now teams are willing to rent him? That speaks volumes.

+15
Exactly.
And you've gotta wonder why are we even hearing it.
I call bullshucks.

[K_ick_God]

Gallinari is becoming a major trade asset. Wake up Donnie.